Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[LaBong]

Oh please, 99% of your countrymen join this forum to troll and annoy, so don't cry about how poor indians are being abused on here. This forum is pretty tolerant compared to others, especially your indian forums.

So why don't you complain to management rather than throwing off topic rants here?

 

[Dance]

So why don't you complain to management rather than throwing off topic rants here?

Tell that Infinite Sapience who started complaining about how the admins are unfair

 

[Infinite Sapience]

Oh please, 99% of your countrymen join this forum to troll and annoy, so don't cry about how poor indians are being abused on here. This forum is pretty tolerant compared to others, especially your indian forums.

Please talk to me about my posts(as i am quoting yours). I am not management of this forum, such that I am responsible/answerable for each and every members(be that Indian) posts.

As I have said before, you have nothing knowledgeable or intellectual to share on this topic, and yet you reconfirm my faith by yet another diversion.

 

[Contrarian]

Scrap Article 370 and see Kashmir 'issue' resolve itself within 5 years!
Mirwaiz and all will shut themselves up!

 

[Areesh]

Don't confuse them with people from your place. They don't live in camps. We don't put our people in camps even in worst natural disasters! But nice of you talking about them thrown out of their birthplace, we are returning the favour to those who thrown them out as well, and right now my heart is not bleeding for them, because of you.

Good thing dear, By the way our people never wanted any kind of heart bleeding from you anytime. So don't bleed it who knows when you would be needed to bleed.

Which ones? The one where the bury living people, or the one where they keep under-aged escorts?

No the ones which sacrifice kids in front of Kali mata.

 

[Areesh]

^^ You guys neither have any knowledge based or intellectual additions to the topic at hand, rather behaving like pampered kid, "who thinks his father owns the company and therefore is their's by birth right."

We have also witness many "pearls of wisdom" by many Bharatis on this forum. Anyways you can still quit this forum anytime in protest to any unfair.

 

[LaBong]

Good thing dear, By the way our people never wanted any kind of heart bleeding from you anytime. So don't bleed it who knows when you would be needed to bleed.

Well all I can say, right now the thousand cuts are not showing up in the country called India.

No the ones which sacrifice kids in front of Kali mata.

lol, is that Pakistanis been taught in schools? no wonder the hate runs deep.

Anyway religious murder is more prevalent and astronomically high in Pakistan compared to India.

 

[Infinite Sapience]

Scrap Article 370 and see Kashmir 'issue' resolve itself within 5 years!
Mirwaiz and all will shut themselves up!

As I see Article 370 can be only abolished in two extreme conditions.

1. In state of emergency and
2. state of normalcy.

Scraping of Article, as of now, will do more harm then good(as MMS is already pointing towards more autonomy) and will find little political support in J&K.

This step might alienate pro- India political parties too (as centre will be assuming control of some of the powers they currently enjoy.)

 

[Infinite Sapience]

We have also witness many "pearls of wisdom" by many Bharatis on this forum. Anyways you can still quit this forum anytime in protest to any unfair.

I shall quit, when I deem it necessary or when management asks me too and I shall ask your advice, when I need it!

 

[Areesh]

Well all I can say, right now the thousand cuts are not showing up in the country called India.

No but it had showed a lot in the country named as India. An who knows the future.

lol, is that Pakistanis been taught in schools?

No internet.

Anyway religious murder is more prevalent and astronomically high in Pakistan compared to India.

Is that the best you can come up with?

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I shall quit, when I deem it necessary or when management asks me too and I shall ask you advice, when I need it!

Perfect.

 

[LaBong]

No internet.

Not surprising considering the likes of Zaid Hamid enjoys so much fame in Pakistan!

Is that the best you can come up with?

What you want me to post statistics of people killed in suicide bombs, for indulging in alleged blasphemy etc etc? Internet is your friend, google it up!

 

[foxbat]

Saw this interesting piece on the above event


Dr Shabir Choudhry's blog: The story behind deletion


The story behind deletion
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Kashmir has lost its regularity on the UN Security Council agenda and remains alive under an annual reminder rule


The recent uproar in a section of press on both sides of LoC that Kashmir has been deleted from the UN agenda and subsequent planted clarifications in the press prove beyond doubt that Kashmiri leaders do not have a reliable understanding of Kashmir case and at the same time continue to act in a hypocritical manner on the subject.

If we don’t want to pursue the UN mechanism on Kashmir and seem to avoid a robust reference to it, it should not bother us if the UN deletes or keeps Kashmir on its agenda. UN is not a human person. Its collective wisdom rests in the collective wisdom of all member nations. Decisions are taken or skipped on the basis of interest or non-interest of member nations. Interests are not a natural reflex but need to be cultivated through a broad spread of diplomacy and active work of various NGOs.


It is true that something has happened to Kashmir case on November 11, 2010 and much more has happened on September 15, 1996. On November 11, 2010 Permanent Representative of the UK Mission to the UN in his capacity as President of the Security Council presented the annual report of the Council to the General Assembly as contained in document A/65/2. The report covers the period from August 2009 to July 2010. It makes a reference to long-running situations that remain unresolved. It is true that the list of unresolved situations makes no reference to Kashmir.


The non-inclusion of Kashmir in the annual report should have caused a serious concern to Kashmiri leaders, in particular, to all those who turn up at every social occasion organised by High Commission of Pakistan in Delhi. The report covers the period from August 2009 to July 2010. It means that all that has happened in Kashmir during this period has not been adequately presented outside the city of Srinagar. There is an All Party Parliamentary Group on Kashmir (APPG) constituted in the British House of Commons. The decision of Sir Mark Lyall Grant, Permanent Representative of the UK Mission to the UN to skip reference to Kashmir in his report is a living example that APPG in the British Parliament or any other institution charged and resourced by Pakistan does not have much acceptability when it comes to a full scale test. Kashmir is used for self-serving purpose by these institutions.

The tent put up in Geneva and the so called hearing arranged in the European Parliament in the name of Kashmir all have meant to nothing when it came to the preparation of the annual report of the UN Security Council by Britain, during its Presidency of the Security Council. The non-inclusion of Kashmir as an unresolved issue in the UN Security Council could not be blamed on Britain alone because the introduction to the report was prepared by the delegation of Nigeria, which held the Council’s presidency in July. Nigeria is represented in OIC as well.


The responsibility of the non-inclusion of Kashmir as an unresolved issue falls on the shoulders of Pakistan as a party to the dispute and as a member nation of the UN. It means that Pakistan has failed to take advantage of the many open meetings of Security Council and has failed to take advantage of the live broadcast of its (Security Council) meetings on the internet. All Member States have a regular opportunity to take full advantage of the regular briefings by the Security Council during the course of the year, which provide details of the Council’s discussions on issues of the day. Pakistan, in the case of Kashmir, seems to have failed to sensitise the interest of the UN Security Council, as a long outstanding issue and in particular in respect of the civil unrest from August 2009 to July 2010. It appears that Kashmiri leaders have lost all moral and ethical anchor required to defend the Rights Movement.

It was not only the non-inclusion of Kashmir as an unresolved issue in the report but Kashmir has lost on the question of thematic focus that the Council maintained in much of its work. These themes are now well established on the Council’s agenda: conflict prevention and peacekeeping; protection of civilians; children and armed conflict; women, peace and security; and relations with regional organisations.


Kashmiri women could have benefited from the 10th anniversary of Resolution 1325 in October – on women, peace and security – which was a landmark event. The Council adopted a Presidential Statement that supported taking forward a set of indicators as a framework to track implementation of Resolution 1325 in situations of armed conflict, post-conflict and other relevant situations.

Ambassador Amjad Hussain B. Sial Acting Permanent Representative of Pakistan to the UN made a last minute effort and pointed out that the annual report did not make any reference to Jammu and Kashmir dispute “in the context of unresolved long-running situations. We understand this was an inadvertent omission, as Jammu and Kashmir is one of the oldest disputes on agenda of the Security Council.” Ambassador Sial does deserve a credit for his quick comment.


It does not make the annual report different in any manner to what it has been presented to the UN General Assembly. Kashmir could not find a mention alongside with other long-running situations, which included Middle East, Cyprus, Western Sahara and other issues where the Council has become engaged in recent years, including Nepal and Guinea Bissau.


It is unfortunate that we have continued to lie to our people even when much worse things have happened to Kashmir issue at the UN. In August 1996 UN Security Council under rule 11 of the provisional rules of procedure decided that as of “September 15, 1996 matters which have not been considered by the Council in the preceding five years will be automatically deleted from the list of matters of which the Council is seized”. As a result the matters which were included in the summary statement of the Secretary General for deletion attracted the India–Pakistan question (Kashmir) as well. It was found that Kashmir was last discussed on November 5, 1965 and had not been discussed for 30 years and 11 months. It was deleted and lost its regularity on the UN SC agenda which it had continued to occupy for 48 years from January 1948 to August 1996.

Once again a procedural stipulation came to the rescue of Kashmir. The Security Council, however, decided that “A matter will however, be provisionally retained in the list of matters of which the Security Council is seized for a period of one year if a Member of the United Nations notifies its objection to its deletion before September 15, 1996. If at the end of one year the matter has still not been considered by the Council, it will be automatically deleted”.


Our leaders should have the courage to tell the people that Kashmir has lost its regularity on the UN SC agenda and remains alive under an annual reminder rule. It was deleted in September 1996 from the UN SC agenda and now has lost its place in the annual report of the UN Security Council. It is time that every Kashmiri decides to exercise his and her right to intervene in the matters that concern him or her or their children.


Author is London based Secretary General of JKCHR – NGO in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations and can be mailed at dr-nazirgilani@jkchr.com

 

[vandemataram]

Land of \gandhi where Gandhi was killed by saffron terrorists.

Jana, please do not joke around.

The members are having a serious discussion.

 

[vandemataram]

from now gujrati muslims should also attack indian leaders after all gujrati muslims have been murdered, raped, property looted, houses burned and become refugee in their own country.

It was a riot, and a communal one at that, not "Sugar"/"Electricity"/Wheat Flour" riots.

In communal riots people get killed, the culprit is the "Hatred" not the perpetrators, because "Mobs" are faceless and irreligious.

You and your brethren should do a great service to each other if you also know that 300 Hindus were also killed.

Now is that "Islamic Terrorism"? I hope not and I wish not.

So you see it is a double-edged sword.

Indeed.

 

[vandemataram]

Ask you friends, the Chinese.The Mirwaiz would have gotten 20 years in a labour camp for his efforts and if that didn't teach him anything, another 20 years would have followed.

Here he gets to run around the country bad mouthing it & he is protected by law.

That was atight one but very simple one as well.