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[DGMO]

Subcontinent has already been divided on basis of religion in 1947.

And that is enough for one of the main parties to the dispute - India.

There will not be a change or shift in territory brother, as much as one side can see the advantages, this will not happen.

 

[Skies]

Is there any possibility when PK-army will directly fight along with Kashmiri people against Indian-Army in future?

 

[alibaz]

And that is enough for one of the main parties to the dispute - India.

There will not be a change or shift in territory brother, as much as one side can see the advantages, this will not happen.

Following may the interests by both sides

“Why is then Pakistan interested in the Chenab formula that includes parts of Jammu? With a small twist to this proposal, consider the hypothetical situation, as suggested by many experts, of only Kashmir being a part of Pakistan, and entire Jammu province and Ladakh under India. One evident outcome of such an arrangement would be the dissolving of the Indus Waters Treaty, as the political status of Kashmir would change. The distribution of water resources would be altered. Pakistan would then have complete control over only the Indus, Jhelum, and some of their tributaries. The Chenab, Ravi, Beas and Sutlej rivers would fall under India’s jurisdiction.“

 

[Rajput Warrior]

next time there is a war..there will be Kashmiri people in the Indian army fighting againts India's enemies..wether its Pak or Bangladesh.

.... Pakistani Flag is being hoisted in sri nagar..IOK!! Ur having a WET DREAM!

 

[Valiant_Soul]

I understand the need for creating the necessary environment. But we have a stalemate. Both sides (placing the environment to one side) have their entrenched positions.

The separatists have placed their preconditions in place, and the GoI have placed their preconditions in place. Can there be discussions when we have that stance from both sides? Both need to show a degree of flexibility.

I'm not sure how keenly the Centre wanted talks (before the troubles we've seen began), but all I do know is that any talks are going to be much harder given the lives that have been lost, the hatred that has been created, and the trust that is at an all-time low.

As I said earlier, here's hoping the GoI make a breakthrough somehow. Because it seems incredibly hard at the moment.

How do you think the government could be flexible? It has already expressed, many times, the desire to talk to all parties concerned. But the separatists are steadfast with only one purpose. And we all know that that purpose's nature is political at the helm and emotional at the bottom.

So then GOI is left with no option but to force what it deems is necessary to establish law and order. This option is always open and the only problem that GOI is facing is to somehow clip the "emotional" nature of this purpose (which is running high right now), so that the chain of protests can be broken and steadily peace can be restored.

 

[deckingraj]

I think that's the problem and the GoI is at a loss on how to deal with this. I think there is wholesale agreement that the unprecedented nature of these protests and cries for azaadi has stunned Congress. Even I didn't think this had legs to go this far, but 80+ deaths later and now I can't see this winding down soon. So the scenario (which is frightening for New Delhi) is 'what if this gets worse than it currently is?'.

Cant agree more on this....

Development is not the real issue for me, I think it's disingenious to say that it is the crux of the issue. I think we all need to be honest with ourselves and realise that there is political disenchantment in the Valley.

Here you are a wrong...Actual development is one big issue....In fact lack of development is the fodder for all kinds of unrest...Mind it i am not saying that people have no issues with being under GOI rule but the reason such a large number of youth is down on roads pelting stones is lack of development....Let's not forget that even Kashmiri's are not sure about what they want...They are also divided on this...So yes, there is a political problem and i am not being dishonest with me on this...However what solution is acceptable even people from valley need a consensus on this....

Kashmir, by Indian standards is a wealthy state (6% poverty levels I believe), and we all know that economic packages have been announced on a regular basis.

You are right...However Kashmir has a history of violence and political unstability...So in essence Kashmir it missing two pillars for growth....GOI can keep on pumping money but as long as these two pillars are not provided things will not change...The same reason India has Moist problem in other parts...Isn't it bad that in such a changed world farming, animal husbandry and horticulture forms the backbone of the economy of the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

Here is a link for you to read...

Jammu and Kashmir Economy

But how much can the GoI continue to raise that as a means to a solution? Haven't we got to a stage where jobs come second and a true political solution comes first?

For whom would be the question...As said people of Kashmir are divided on what is the political solution...What GOI needs to do is win hearts of people there...However GOI has failed to achieve it and the way things are going on i will be surprised if they manage to do that in near future....

I'm sure MMS is tired of announcing economic packages only to find mass riots and protests later. Isn't that telling us something?

Again we must remember that this is the same state where voter turn around was 65%, much larger then many other states of India...The message is clear, people wan't change and economic prosperity is a must.....As far as riots are concerned then yes people are angry but what is the source of this anger, what is the reason of this anger....is it Azaadi??? i don't think so because people are divided...

Political solution first, jobs second seems to be what the Kashmiri's in the Valley are telling the GoI.

You might have read this news but if not please do...its is interesting...

Fed up shopkeepers pelt stones at protesters in Kashmir

Please understand that people are angry with GOI...I am not denying it...What i am trying to reason out is the source and reasons for those anger....In other words what is the reason for asserting a political solution??? Isn't it some ways related with development????

 

[syedtalha]

Recently, The Shiv Sena youth wing had threatened to hoist the indian flag on 15 aug, at the historic central clock tower of srinagar.
Now the youth of kashmir have given the BEST POSSIBLE ANSWER to them... Pakistani flag on 11 september eid ul fitr day. 1 million kashmiris congregated at eid gah and marched en masse to lal chowk, red square and hoisted a huge pakistani flag on one side of the tower, and put up a ALLAHU AKBAR flag on the flagpost. Next day dozens of pakistani flags were hoisted on rail bridges, mobile towers, and water tankers in the north kashmir town of baramullah. Kashmiris have not forgotten pakistan, btu pakistan has forgotten kashmir.

MESSAGE TO PAKISTANIS FROM KASHMIR

SUPPORT TO PAKISTAN IS AT AN ALL TIME LOW, NOW IF U DONT WANT IT TO FALL FURTHER, RAISE YOUR VOICES PUBLICLY FOR KASHMIRIS.... NOT FOR KASHMIR. FORCE YOUR BLOODY PRIVATE MEDIA TO PAY ATTENTION TO KASHMIRIS. PAKISTANI MEDIA HAS GIVEN LEAST COVERAGE TO US... EVEN INDIAN MEDIA IS BETTER THAN PAKISTANI MEDIA. IF YOU R REAL PAKISTANIS, YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.


Yours//
Kashmiri Brother.

 

[syedtalha]

PAKISTANIS ARE GIVING TOO MUCH FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO INDIANS HERE ON THIS FORUM. ACT IN YOUR INTERESTS, BAN ALL INDIANS EXCEPT THOSE WHO ARE SENSITIVE TO THE CONCERNS OF KASHMIRIS.
BOYCOTT BOLLYWOOD COMPLETELY, IT IS AGAINST YOUR RELIGION, YOUR COUNTRY, YOUR MORAL VALUES, AND YOUR INTERESTS... YOU ARE PLAYING WITH OUR AND YOUR MARTYRS BLOOD
RESTRICT FOREIGN FUNDING TO YOUR MEDIA CHANNELS... THEY HAVE BEEN CORRUPTED TO THE CORE IN THE NAME OF "PRESS FREEDOM"
TAKE ACTIVE STEP WITH RESPECT TO KASHMIR... ORGANIZE PUBLIC SYMPATHY FOR KASHMIRIS IN YOUR MOSQUES, CHURCHES, TEMPLES, ETC
MAKE PAKISTAN STRONGER, ELECT YOUR GOVERNMENT WISELY,

DO YOU ALL PAKISTANI BROTHERS AGREE ON THIS OR NOT.??
To my Indian comrades on this thread WE HAVE NOTHING AGAINST INDIA, BUT AGAINST INDIAN OCCUPATION OF KASHMIR, please understand the human angle of the problem, we may be pro pakistanis, or pro russians, or pro chinese, or whatever, what do you care... leave us, and let us rot, we will take care of ourselves

 

[syedtalha]

Freedom of speech is understandable, but when they do illogical reasoning, and post irrelevant and unsubstantiated stuff, it makes us piss off. being kashmiris, we know 90% of the stuff indians post here about kashmir is pure bulls**t. Please let them be within limits of free speech, don;t let them spread mininformation. this is mischievous

 

[astodome]

recently 18 Kashmiris killed,maybe this is the answer for hosting pakistani flag,
and now whole Kashmir on curfew..

 

[syedtalha]

Well, seems u got inside information. I guess it is right, for hoisting pakistani flag 18 get killed. This is war, so everything is fair in love and war. what do you care about what flag goes up... after all, it would never be an indian flag. now that common indian is coming to senses, they will teach your government a lesson. Next elections neither BJP nor congress wins, and you;l;l soon see the kashmir issue resolved and serious talks with pakistan. people of india have realized the trick of the few ultra right wing people having an agenda in the dispute of kashmir continuing. we;ll soon see an end to these policies.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Wah ji Wah. Flag looks Mashallah so great on the tower. May it wave with honour.

EXCELLENT find brother


as for media attention, I think Pak media does cover the crises in occupied Kashmir. But the problem is, we rely on non affiliated networks to get the news; otherwise we rely on local journalists.

It's an extremely dangerous and non-conducive environment for freely-flowing information --due larglely in part to the media blackouts and undying harassment of media/journalist officials by the occupying forces

we should have more talk shows and debates televized on the subjects; our spinless politicians --who prefer political infighting and petty games -- should focus on these more important and relevant national issues.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Please understand that people are angry with GOI...I am not denying it...What i am trying to reason out is the source and reasons for those anger....In other words what is the reason for asserting a political solution??? Isn't it some ways related with development????

Why is it so hard for you to accept that the people are disenchanted with Indian occupation and are demanding (at least the kashmiris) that they be allowed to exercise their right to self-determination in some form?

You are going from excuse after excuse to somehow link the unrest with 'lack of development' even going so far as to argue that professions in 'agriculture and husbandry' is the cause, never mind the fact that the majority of both India and Pakistan's economies, and that of many other developing nations, continue to be based on agriculture.

Where is the disenchantment over 'agriculture and animal husbandry jobs' in Pakistan? These are not youths who were unemployed for years that are taking up the baton of protesting Indian rule. Many of them are college and school going individuals, who have not even experienced any potential 'disenchantment with the job market'. This kind of absurd exercise in denying the fact that disenchantment over a violated commitment to deciding through plebiscite whether or not to be part of the Indian State is dishonesty with self.

Just now I was reading an Indian piece where the author recommended holding 'open houses', inviting the youth and leadership and listening to what they want. But what if they want a plebiscite to formalize their compact with the Indian State, a compact they never agreed to?

In all the potential issues the author though the youth might raise, he never considered the possibility of plebiscite. This isn't really 'listening to kashmiri grievances', its only listening to Kashmiri grievances that you have already pre-determined are acceptable to you, in which case it is a pointless exercise.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

How do you think the government could be flexible? It has already expressed, many times, the desire to talk to all parties concerned. But the separatists are steadfast with only one purpose. And we all know that that purpose's nature is political at the helm and emotional at the bottom.

Enter into tripartite negotiations with Pakistan and give the Kashmiris (Valley) a means to exercise their right to self-determination so that it no longer is a reason for protest.

Listening to Indians talk about the issue is like listening to a half-blind fellow trying to figure out where the elephants are, while standing between the legs of one ...

 

[SnIPeR Xr]

There is a basic difference between the way you and I think.While you let assumptions do the talking,I talk in terms of facts and figures....
Well,here goes some facts and figures for you.....
Unemployment rate in a third World yet second fastest developing country like India is 10.70 %.Now it is lower in developed states like Gujarat and TamilNadu,but significantly higher in lesser developed states like Jammu & Kashmir.It is not like that unemployment is evenly distributed.
By the way do you have any idea what is the unemployment rate of a developed country like USA???It is 9.40 % .That will give you a comparative idea....And do you know where you people stand???Unemployment rate in Pakistan is as high as 15.20 %,that saw a whopping increase of 105.41 % over the last year.....

Your case is a perfect example of "Pot calling kettle black."


You dont have an iota of idea about Economics else you would have been aware of these elementary facts,even if you say otherwise,which I take to be point blank lying or an excellent show of complete ignorance......

It is quite natural to have grievances in mind if one has an empty stomach or lesser means to support his livelihood.Similar situation can be seen in a much much more magnified manner in the northern areas of Pakistan or almost whole of Pakistan where most of the taliban suicide bombers and mercenaries are actually unemployed and brainwashed youth.

Most of the unemployment issue in Kashmir can be traced back to the militancy issues which ruined the tourism based industries back in the 90s and early half of this decade.While the militancy issue has been well taken care of by the Indian army,it takes time to rebuild an economy,specially if it is based mainly on tourism and horticulture..............

Yes there is a difference Between the way I & you think.I said you to choose one option from the three & when you saw that your point have been proved wrong.you started to derail the debate & turned away from the point by posting facts & figures.

You use Facts & Figures when you see that there is no air left in your point & you use Facts & figures to distort from your stance smartly.

Well nothing new this behaviour is very common in majority of Indian population on Internet.And this behaviour show up when they see similar situation like you.

Now tell me what these facts & figures have to do with Situation in "Indian Occupied Kashmir" & the States of India.

Now if you will look thoroughly at your post you will see that you yourself has denied the fact that unemployment is an issue.

You said that Kashmiris were well employed in the past & there was no issue of miliitancy it just started in90's.
Now if kashmiris were so called Well employed,Well earned happily living people & the militancy started in 90's then What caused that militancy??? .
If there was no problem of unemployment then why kashmiris started the Independence movement against India.
Why they turned against the Indian Occupation???
Ever thought about that

You will never answer this question but the answer of this question is that unemployment is not an issue in kashmir.The cause of this movement is Ideology.They can earn by even living in Indian occupation BUT they dont want to live under Indian occupation,Under Indian brutalities because they want to join another nation which is very similar to them.They share comon beliefs, common culture & are very own to them.
So my friend this is called Ideology & this is the isssue in kashmir.
I am glad that you yourself have proved your point wrong

Exactly point me out the post where I show my disagreement....

As I have said before,I think that the naming convention is not entirely right.The list provides us with data of categorization of countries based on certain parameters.The country with a higher propensity of not fulfilling the parameters goes up in the list.The simple presence of name of any country does not mean that it is actually a failed state.

That means if England is at #161 then it is not necessarily a failed state,but the country which features among top 10 has failed significantly on social,economical and political grounds.
You should be more concerned with yourself.With a nation in the state of a civil war,external debt more than 3 times of forex reserve and rampant corruption in between,I dont really see much to rejoice about.............

Here they are

Pakistan is at no 10?? Thats a bit of surpise. I was kind of expecting it to be 50-55

I somehow am not able to convince myself on the true defination of their failed states...

What are France, Spain doing there??? Myanmar is at 16th while Pakistan is at 10????....England is at 161 and Australia is at 169??

This is a complete wishlist and a BS article from some wiki source..

i didnt expect pak,srilanka,egypt,israel

Are you so much brain washed by your BIASIN Media that you didn't hasitate a bit from stepping away from your stance.Or i think you guys can do EACH & EVERY THING when it comes to trolling

About bold part Why we should'nt rejoice.
We are right now concerning about ourselves but they are the one who are more concerned about ourselves.
Kashmiris & Pakistanis are a family.
They always struggle hard to be a part of us & Only people who consider other people family or part of their own goes to such extent of even after knowing that their other family members are in trouble thay still want to join with them.
Only people who consider some people family members or part of thier own do Such a struggle like this to join their family members so that they can together fight the problems faced by their family.

Now when we have family members like this why should we concern about our problems.Once we will complete our family we will fight the problems together & with Unity.
By the way
The change is written on the wall.
& its only in the betterment of you people of realising it soon otherwise you people have to suffer the consequences.