Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[RamGorur]

Yes - unlike other territories incorporated into the modern States of India and Pakistan, the Kashmiris were not given the choice to choose which state to become a part of, a right established by India's commitment to the same, as well as her actions in Junagadh and Hyderabad, and the UN Millennium Declaration.

None of which created a 'right to self-determination.'

Nonsense - instead of raising the same red-herring and canards time and time again, read through the UNSC resolutions thread and respond there. Pakistan was not under an obligation to withdraw militarily - various UN commissions were formed to come up with demilitarization and plebiscite plans, that India rejected, and therefore could not be implemented. Many of those demilitarization plans Pakistan in fact accepted.

Pakistan refused more than it accepted, and accepted only those that it found favorable. Pakistan didn't accept the definition of 'local authority', refused to disarm and disband Azad Force, and violating cease fire agreement, augmented the Azad Force (UN is on record confirming this), adamantly stuck to its demand that the 'nature of forces' on either side be equal, etc. etc.

Also don't forget the part where India invaded and occupied the States of Junagadh and Hyderabad, where the former had acceded to Pakistan, and India argued that accession was meaningless and 'self-determination' was legitimacy, at least as far as Hindu's were concerned.

Hyderabad never acceded to Pakistan and India never argued that 'self-determination' was legitimate. What India had argued was that if IoA is to be reversed (or confirmed) in case of a dispute between the ruler and the people, the only way it can be so done is by the people. It was not a question of 'right to self-determination' but of a mechanism for dispute resolving.

 

[karan.1970]

Yes, and reports immediately suggest that the LeT was involved eh?

The reports from Pakistan at least point out that no group claimed responsibility, and which groups (Uzbeks) Noor Mohmammed was actively against.

The terrorist organizations operating in the area are the usual suspects. Sometimes Security agencies dont wait for the criminals to lay claim to the crime before investigating.

Which group were these women against?

These women were simply asking medical aid from Indian Military which is surely against all terrorist groups (Pakistani and otherwise) operating in the area

There are existing reports blaming Indian security forces for the rape, torture and murder of tens of thousands of Kashmiris.

Were these women raped and then murdered, and staged to look like a militant killing to deflect blame from the Indian security forces?

There are similar reports finding ISI and Pakistani establishment complicit in killing Benazir Bhutto.

 

[INS]

Yes, and reports immediately suggest that the LeT was involved eh?

The reports from Pakistan at least point out that no group claimed responsibility, and which groups (Uzbeks) Noor Mohmammed was actively against.

Which group were these women against?

There are existing reports blaming Indian security forces for the rape, torture and murder of tens of thousands of Kashmiris.

Were these women raped and then murdered, and staged to look like a militant killing to deflect blame from the Indian security forces?

So you need Pakistani news if any activity happened in India ???

 

[Areesh]

The same way as we know that yesterday's blasts and assassination of MNA Maulana Noor Mohammed in Pakistan were not done by ISI.

The paranoia of you guys with LET and mentioning of LET in this news makes this whole issue a bit fishy. We have seen IA's talent with fake encounters in the past.

 

[WAQAS119]

those bigot terrorists who kill innocent people ... impotent mfs shud be killed like pigs!!!

I totally agree with you!!!!!!!!!!!

Two women were raped and killed in Jammu & Kashmir by India army

Hundreds of Kashmiris protest women's deaths

 

[John Doe]

Why was the title changed?

I posted this news article. Follow the link : where was the Indian army suspected? If you came across some additional information, then definitely change the title.

Theories that you have admittedly imagined and have no knowledge of, other than what I have posted, should not be part of this title. At this rate,why not blame the fabled CIA-RAW-MOSSAD-Lady Gaga nexus too?

 

[gubbi]

Also don't forget the part where India invaded and occupied the States of Junagadh and Hyderabad, where the former had acceded to Pakistan, and India argued that accession was meaningless and 'self-determination' was legitimacy, at least as far as Hindu's were concerned.

Post 1947, it was a mad land grab fest for both countries, in which India was more successful. Kashmir was left untouched by India, till Pakistan jumped in. India got Kashmir legally (you may question legality, but we digress) and so has retained and will retain most of the territory. Enywho, as China lays claim for all of "Middle Kingdom" which includes Tibet, we too claim Kashmir because it was part of the Mauryan/Rajput/Mughal empires and finally British India! The right to "self determination" is a fallacious argument, just like some people like to call themselves "Gods chosen people" - as if all others are children of a lesser God! My people werent given a choice either, though we too are of a special breed! Does that mean we also should demand a plebiscite? What a ridiculous notion!

As for Junagadh and Hyderabad, Pakistan was created for the Muslims. So can you justify accepting accession of Hindu majority states into a Muslim majority Pakistan, other than a land grab? IF you have one, then the purpose, the reason for Pakistan's creation stands nullified!

 

[Bang Galore]

How do we know this was not done by Indian security forces?

How do we know you are not Hafeez Saeed...............?

How do we know anything then? Everything can be turned on its head by asking how do we know. How do we know that terrorists aren't secretly funding the mosque in NY?(the key being secretly)? We have to go with what we know. If you have any other source contradicting the above story, then lets hear it. Until then, atleast for the purpose of the discussion we must go with what has been reported. If as Karan asked how do we know that anything reported in the Pakistani media is true and that be the argument & counter argument, that would be a very short & quick journey to the bottom. Won't be much of a forum left.

 

[HAIDER]

Well, Kashmir has press blackout. What ever news publish, it first serve the desk of central govt office. Channels are ban, movements are ban, Press is ban....then what independent source left. Indian army ?

 

[INS]

Well, Kashmir has press blackout. What ever news publish, it first serve the desk of central govt office. Channels are ban, movements are ban, Press is ban....then what independent source left. Indian army ?

Please dnt talk about Pak occupied Kashmir we are talking about J&K

if press is not free in J&K so you are not able to listen any news about current protest and killing just consider this fact

 

[Bhairava]

As for Junagadh and Hyderabad, Pakistan was created for the Muslims. So can you justify accepting accession of Hindu majority states into a Muslim majority Pakistan, other than a land grab? IF you have one, then the purpose, the reason for Pakistan's creation stands nullified!

Exactly

Pakistan - by definition was created as a homeland for the sub-continental Muslims (though an equal majority of Muslims themselves dont buy that argument is another story) .So How can it accept two absolute Hindu majority states (Junagadh,Hyderabad) in it.? Does it not go against the basic vision/ambition of their founder?

On the other hand India was not created as a Hindu state - so Kashmir;s accession to us perfectly valid.

 

[Fireurimagination]

Title changed to 'Terrorists or Indian Army' LOL, mother-daughter duo were police informers, anyways from where did the mods get the brilliant India of Indian Army killing their own informers

 

[HAIDER]

its one sided news, news is leaking through different sources. Cellphones and cellphone cameras. I thought you guys post the news while ago about cellphone restrictions in occupied Kashmir and also ip phones.

 

[Bhairava]

Well, Kashmir has press blackout. What ever news publish, it first serve the desk of central govt office. Channels are ban, movements are ban, Press is ban....then what independent source left. Indian army ?

Then how come you are knowing about the protests if it is all black.?

Crystal ball.?

But serioulsy I want the Indian Govt to implement all the above you suggested.How long to waste the tax money in pampering these separatists.

 

[HAIDER]

Then how come you are knowing about the protests if it is all black.?

Crystal ball.?

But serioulsy I want the Indian Govt to implement all the above you suggested.How long to waste the tax money in pampering these separatists.

read my post 23.
well, India should look for middle ground, give them freedom and sign water treaty. Because nobody wants Kashmiri destroy all the dams build by Indian. Nobody wants starved India.