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[civfanatic]

@civfanatic


tangmarg toll is not yet complete... friends say there are many missing and bodies lying in open filed where curfew has been imposed to prevent burial. God knows weather this is true or not. i hope not. but official toll of 13 sep is 18.

Baye maine pay cham ...Kashir manz chus

 

[syedtalha]

Ignore the trolls you have to find some way of communicating efffectively without getting effected by Indian trolls .....Keep the members here updated about Kashmir .

ase cha ne eech fersath ke yeman seeth karav bahacx. aes vanav poz, pate boozetan ya mate boozetan.

Taeth sund foto chuy sajan wallah

ciao

 

[Patrician]

Why world at large would condemn India's behavior when Pakistan which is genuine party to dispute does not have courage /will to take up this issue. The fact is that world at large would remain silent unless Pakistan makes an effort to tell the world that India can't be allowed to get away genocide in Kashmir .Somewhere in your posts you had mentioned that Kashmiris know we (Pakistani's) care but what kind of care is that which does not even compel you to call even an OIC meeting. The absence of Kashmir from International consciousness is a reality but that reality is not fact of nature like Gravitation. This reality need not be accommodated to and can be improved if efforts are made.

Open your eyes my friend. Pakistan of today is in no position whatsoever to rake up Kashmir at an international level.

It's not about will/courage, it's about capability. They did help you all these years when they could. Now they can't, simply can't.
Their economy is in doldrums. They have millions to care for after such devastating floods. They have terrorism and bomb blasts happening all over the place. They have so many internal concerns to look after that it will be unfair on your part to expect them to help you. At this point it won't be in Pakistan's best interests to jump onto the Kashmir bandwagon. In fact it will be suicidal.

Pakistani govt. of late is becoming more and more sensible and realistic with respect to Kashmir. Are you?

Your only hope lays with India. Learn to compromise. You can't have everything.

 

[Awesome]

suicide attacks is best reaction if Kashmir-es do this

Strongly disagree, they should continue with civil disobedience with using non-lethal force only against the Indians.

The slaps, the kicks, the stones falling on Indian faces, and most importantly the demands for freedom are far more damaging to India's hold on Kashmir than making the Indians seem like victims by killing them. Not even guns should be used.

This is what makes the kashmiri struggle so unique. These aren't extremist people. These aren't tribal folks. These are highly urbanized, educated, modern thinking folks who are simply sick of India.

 

[civfanatic]

Your only hope lays with India. Learn to compromise. You can't have everything.

Deep jis ka sirf mehellaat hi main jalay,
Chand logon ki khushyon ko lay ker chalay,
Wo jo saye main har maslihat kay palay;
Aisay dastoor ko,
Subh e bay noor ko,
Main naheen maanta,
Main naheen jaanta.
The light which shines only in palaces
Burns up the joy of the people in the shadows
Derives its strength from others’ weakness
That kind of system,
like dawn without light
I refuse to acknowledge,
I refuse to accept

Main bhee kha’if naheen takhta e daar say,
Main bhee Mansoor hoon, keh do aghyaar say,
Kyun daraatay ho zindaan ki divar say,
Zulm ki baat ko,
Jehel ki raat ko,
Main naheen maanta,
Main naheen jaanta.

I am not afraid of execution,
Tell the world that I am the martyr
How can you frighten me with prison walls?
This overhanging doom,
this night of ignorance,
I refuse to acknowledge,
I refuse to accept

Phool shaakhon pay khilnay lagay tum kaho,
Jaam rindon ko milnay lagay tum kaho,
Chak seenon kay silnay lagay tum kaho,
Iss khulay jhoot ko,
Zehan ki loot ko,
Main naheen maanta,
Main naheen jaanta.

“Flowers are budding on branches”, that’s what you say,
“Every cup overflows”, that’s what you say,
“Wounds are healing themselves”, that’s what you say,
These bare-faces lies,
this insult to the intelligence,
I refuse to acknowledge,
I refuse to accept

Tum nay loota hai sadyon hamara sakoon,
Ab na hum per chalay ga tumhara fasoon,
Chara gar main tumhain kiss tara say kahoon?
Tum naheen charaagar,
Koi maanay magar,
Main naheen maanta,
Main naheen jaanta.

For centuries you have all stolen our peace of mind
But your power over us is coming to an end
Why do you pretend you can cure pain?
Even if some claim that you’ve healed them,
I refuse to acknowledge,
I refuse to accept.

 

[foxbat]

A very poor analogy since it is easily debunked. The Muslims of British India protested and pushed their case through the platform of the ML, Jinnah and other political parties and leaders. As such, the decision of the majority of the residents of the lands that came to comprise Pakistan was heard - in essence it was a plebiscite given that the voters supported the ML, Jinnah and/or allied parties.

In J&K we never had any such dynamic of the Maharajah being 'elected' into office, or even being given a vote of confidence in some way, by his residents to make a decision of accession on their behalf. On the other hand he led a reign of repression and open discrimination against the State's Muslims.

It is not an argument of convenience at all - India herself set the precedent for plebiscite being the deciding factor in disputed accessions by virtue of holding a plebiscite in Jungadh after invading and occupying it, and herself committing to plebiscite in accepting the instrument of accession, and accepting the UNSC resolutions in the UN.

You probably did not get what I was refering to. I am refering to your previous comment that because the maharaja of Kahmir was being revolted against, his decisions of that time are not relevant. The analogy I am putting forward is that when British granted India independence, even they were being revolted against. Does that make their decision of partitioning India also irrelevant? After all like Maharaja of Kashmir, they were also never elected. The comparison is not between the ML and the Maharaja, but between the British and him. Understand that before partition, there was not plebiscite in India to validate the partition since had that happened, the majority of the Indians would not have agreed.

 

[Fasih Khan]

Kashmir voices: 'We are angry'

The violence began on 11 June after police killed a demonstrating student People in Indian-administered Kashmir tell the BBC News website of their growing resentment against Indian rule, after a summer of dissent.

Police shot dead 18 civilians on Monday in the deadliest day since the latest wave of protests erupted three months ago, bringing the number of those killed to more than 80.

The latest demonstrations were sparked by reports of a Koran being publicly desecrated in the US.

A curfew is in place, and was extended on Tuesday to cover fresh areas as thousands more federal police were deployed across the valley.

Shams Irfan, freelance journalist, Pampore

Shams Irfan says the underlying anger is down to the unlawful and cruel Indian rule in Kashmir I live in Pampore, a small town not far from Srinagar and famous for its saffron fields. Yesterday three people were killed by the police during protests against the desecration of the Koran.

I left my hometown to go to Delhi for work a couple of days ago, but when I spoke to my father on the phone I could hear gunfire. In the middle of our conversation, a shell landed close to our front door. My cousin was injured. Someone I have known since my childhood was also killed.

I am a journalist working for a weekly magazine. There have been huge restrictions on all Kashmiri media in the past few months. Our magazine was shut down again for two days.

They say the newspapers are creating the problems, but newspapers only tell the truth and that is what they don't want to hear.

We have to be careful not just about what we write in our articles, but also what we say on Facebook and other social networking sites. People have been rounded up by local security forces for saying things on Facebook.

Kashmiris are sentimental people. If anything happens around the world with the Koran - they will be against it.


India and Pakistan have fought over Kashmir for six decades now But the underlying anger is really against the unlawful and cruel Indian rule that has been pushing the otherwise peaceful people of Kashmir towards such "violent" protests. It is against the unnecessary fortification of Kashmir by Indian troops that causes real friction.

Why do we need a one million-strong Indian army here? To fight against the estimated 500 active militants who haven't done anything major for the past three or four years? Those who get killed are not Pakistan-sponsored terrorists, they are normal people like you and me. They are not on the streets because some jihadi in Pakistan is guiding them, they are out because they are fed up with the suffocating Indian rule.

Dr Ishiyaq Gellani, medical doctor, Srinagar

I observed the atrocities of the police forces right in front of my house yesterday. A man on a motorcycle who must have gone out to buy food for his family was beaten because he didn't stop and didn't answer the question where he was going. I think he probably didn't hear them.

He was thrown to the ground and beaten up. We were just looking from the window, too scared to leave.


The Indian government said it was "deeply distressed" by the violence We are full of fear.

I was afraid they might notice me as I was watching and they might break into my house. These kinds of things are routine here. This happened to my neighbours - they forced their way in. There was no particular reason, I don't know what they were looking for. They do it to harass the people, to make them scared.

We are stuck in the house, we can't leave because of the curfew. Nobody can leave. People can't even go to the shop and everybody is staying indoors.

I am a doctor and I have a pass for essential service so I should be able to go out, but they still wouldn't let me leave the house. I can't even get milk for the kids.

The security forces are supposed to be there for our security, but they are killing us and that is what makes us angry. They have no respect. They even kill young children.

The protests were peaceful. None of the protesters fired a gunshot. We have had militancy before, but they are no longer active. There isn't a single gun here.

Yet they are not firing in the air, they shoot at the people directly. They aim at their heads and bodies.

Protests are not going to stop. Everyone is angry. Even the small kids, who wouldn't normally care, know everything now.

Khuram Shah, accountant, Srinagar

I work in the UK, but I've been on holiday in Kashmir for the past couple of months. This is my birthplace, I grew up here.

I am interested in photography and I went out yesterday to the protests just so that I can take photos of what is happening.

I saw the clashes between local people and the police, I saw people being killed and a local factory being burnt. I have got all this evidence of the past few days.


More than 80 protesters have died this summer in anti-India demonstrations People gathered to protest against the [desecration] of the Koran. It started as a small rally of about 200 people, but it grew into a few thousand. Protesters started throwing stones at the forces and that provoked the clashes.

I am stuck at home now. We can't go out. But despite the curfew there have been further clashes today. Earlier, people had gathered on the road towards the airport, about 200 yards from where I live. People were coming out of the mosque, gathering in one place. I nipped out to see what was happening.

People are very angry. They are angry with the government. Kashmir does not belong to India. But this issue has been taken to a new level. The government uses force to implement their strategies and that has been causing major discontent here over the past few months.

The government of Kashmir has closed local TV channels. They cannot broadcast the news and people are getting more and more angry because of that.

And now because of the Koran issue, Kashmiris have gone ballistic.

The government of India has spectacularly failed to solve the Kashmir issue.

BBC News - Kashmir voices: 'We are angry'

 

[Fasih Khan]

Kashmir voices: 'We are angry'

The violence began on 11 June after police killed a demonstrating student People in Indian-administered Kashmir tell the BBC News website of their growing resentment against Indian rule, after a summer of dissent.

Police shot dead 18 civilians on Monday in the deadliest day since the latest wave of protests erupted three months ago, bringing the number of those killed to more than 80.

The latest demonstrations were sparked by reports of a Koran being publicly desecrated in the US.

A curfew is in place, and was extended on Tuesday to cover fresh areas as thousands more federal police were deployed across the valley.

Shams Irfan, freelance journalist, Pampore

Shams Irfan says the underlying anger is down to the unlawful and cruel Indian rule in Kashmir I live in Pampore, a small town not far from Srinagar and famous for its saffron fields. Yesterday three people were killed by the police during protests against the desecration of the Koran.

I left my hometown to go to Delhi for work a couple of days ago, but when I spoke to my father on the phone I could hear gunfire. In the middle of our conversation, a shell landed close to our front door. My cousin was injured. Someone I have known since my childhood was also killed.

I am a journalist working for a weekly magazine. There have been huge restrictions on all Kashmiri media in the past few months. Our magazine was shut down again for two days.

They say the newspapers are creating the problems, but newspapers only tell the truth and that is what they don't want to hear.

We have to be careful not just about what we write in our articles, but also what we say on Facebook and other social networking sites. People have been rounded up by local security forces for saying things on Facebook.

Kashmiris are sentimental people. If anything happens around the world with the Koran - they will be against it.


India and Pakistan have fought over Kashmir for six decades now But the underlying anger is really against the unlawful and cruel Indian rule that has been pushing the otherwise peaceful people of Kashmir towards such "violent" protests. It is against the unnecessary fortification of Kashmir by Indian troops that causes real friction.

Why do we need a one million-strong Indian army here? To fight against the estimated 500 active militants who haven't done anything major for the past three or four years? Those who get killed are not Pakistan-sponsored terrorists, they are normal people like you and me. They are not on the streets because some jihadi in Pakistan is guiding them, they are out because they are fed up with the suffocating Indian rule.

Dr Ishiyaq Gellani, medical doctor, Srinagar

I observed the atrocities of the police forces right in front of my house yesterday. A man on a motorcycle who must have gone out to buy food for his family was beaten because he didn't stop and didn't answer the question where he was going. I think he probably didn't hear them.

He was thrown to the ground and beaten up. We were just looking from the window, too scared to leave.


The Indian government said it was "deeply distressed" by the violence We are full of fear.

I was afraid they might notice me as I was watching and they might break into my house. These kinds of things are routine here. This happened to my neighbours - they forced their way in. There was no particular reason, I don't know what they were looking for. They do it to harass the people, to make them scared.

We are stuck in the house, we can't leave because of the curfew. Nobody can leave. People can't even go to the shop and everybody is staying indoors.

I am a doctor and I have a pass for essential service so I should be able to go out, but they still wouldn't let me leave the house. I can't even get milk for the kids.

The security forces are supposed to be there for our security, but they are killing us and that is what makes us angry. They have no respect. They even kill young children.

The protests were peaceful. None of the protesters fired a gunshot. We have had militancy before, but they are no longer active. There isn't a single gun here.

Yet they are not firing in the air, they shoot at the people directly. They aim at their heads and bodies.

Protests are not going to stop. Everyone is angry. Even the small kids, who wouldn't normally care, know everything now.

Khuram Shah, accountant, Srinagar

I work in the UK, but I've been on holiday in Kashmir for the past couple of months. This is my birthplace, I grew up here.

I am interested in photography and I went out yesterday to the protests just so that I can take photos of what is happening.

I saw the clashes between local people and the police, I saw people being killed and a local factory being burnt. I have got all this evidence of the past few days.


More than 80 protesters have died this summer in anti-India demonstrations People gathered to protest against the [desecration] of the Koran. It started as a small rally of about 200 people, but it grew into a few thousand. Protesters started throwing stones at the forces and that provoked the clashes.

I am stuck at home now. We can't go out. But despite the curfew there have been further clashes today. Earlier, people had gathered on the road towards the airport, about 200 yards from where I live. People were coming out of the mosque, gathering in one place. I nipped out to see what was happening.

People are very angry. They are angry with the government. Kashmir does not belong to India. But this issue has been taken to a new level. The government uses force to implement their strategies and that has been causing major discontent here over the past few months.

The government of Kashmir has closed local TV channels. They cannot broadcast the news and people are getting more and more angry because of that.

And now because of the Koran issue, Kashmiris have gone ballistic.

The government of India has spectacularly failed to solve the Kashmir issue.

BBC News - Kashmir voices: 'We are angry'

 

[Fasih Khan]

Longing for the Day When India Perishes

 

[trident2010]

Longing for the Day When India Perishes

 

[Je suis de retour]

Self-Delete

 

[Patrician]

Longing for the Day When India Perishes

Only longing won't help. It never helped anybody throughout human history. One has to act!

P.S. oh and when you decide to act, do keep in mind whom you will be acting against...

 

[doctor_who]

first of all its not not army who is protecting kashmir.

secondly indian security forces are doing a great job in crushing terror activity and intentions.

every indian is proud of them.

 

[moha199]

first of all its not not army who is protecting kashmir.

secondly indian security forces are doing a great job in crushing terror activity and intentions.

every indian is proud of them.

problem with this is that for you guys every kashmiri is becoming terrorist! even old young, kids, women its sad i hope this world come to peace!

 

[lionheart1]

problem with this is that for you guys every kashmiri is becoming terrorist! even old young, kids, women its sad i hope this world come to peace!

expect pakistan nobody is talking about it , and it shows your credibility . and also show the might of India,

we are proud to be an Indian and we are proud have a army like Indian army