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[Beskar]

my frend your question sounds innocent, but u do know the answer. ok... let me try and answer this to the best of my ability. pakistan part of kashmir is mostly trouble free 'cause india does not provide so called 'diplomatic & political support' to this part of kashmir. now you know what i'm implying here. also majority of indian kashmiris are not for freedom. it's only the minority few provoked by the seperatists who are 'politically & diplomatically' supported by extarnal forces.
unfortunately you only hear the loud noice of these few minorities in these circumstances.

So what you're trying to say here is that Pakistan was the one who provided the Kashmiri protesters with sticks and stones? How do you explain the recent 'Unarmed Protests' breaking out in Kashmir?

 

[Hulk]

So what you're trying to say here is that Pakistan was the one who provided the Kashmiri protesters with sticks and stones? How do you explain the recent 'Unarmed Protests' breaking out in Kashmir?

I have answered your question in my post already. It was because of militancy life became miserable for Kashmir's which lead to frustration and hence feeling of being caged. The duration of conflict is working against India.

Look below to see how GOI feels the same way as I mentioned in my post.

Centre may lift AFSPA in Srinagar - India - The Times of India

Pakistan did not had any militancy and hence it does not have same feeling on being caged.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Why isn't Azad Kashmir in disarray like Indian Occupied Kashmir?

Why do Kashmiris in Indian Occupied Kashmir hold Pakistan's flag, chant Pakistan and say Hell to India?

 

[Hulk]

Why isn't Azad Kashmir in disarray like Indian Occupied Kashmir?

Why do Kashmiris in Indian Occupied Kashmir hold Pakistan's flag, chant Pakistan and say Hell to India?

Get to reality majority just want to get out of current situation and hence chanting for Azadi. (Every green flag is not of Pakistan). If they wanted to be with Pakistan I guess there sologan would have been different maybe something like we are Pakistani's. (I know some say that too but they are minority).

As I said before since they have to live a life of restriction they feel caged and want to feel free, which is visible in their demand for Azadi.

If India can give them freedom of movement etc this demand will vanish.

 

[Beskar]

Pakistan did not had any militancy and hence it does not have same feeling on being caged.

Or maybe because we don't see the Pakistan Army patrolling the streets of Muzaffarabad or Mirpur.

Since I've lived in AK for quite some time, I'll tell you why nobody feels caged; its because we haven't tried to put them in a cage since we consider them a part of Pakistan. They're proud to be Pakistanis.

Can you say the same thing about the people of J&K?

 

[Kompromat]

Or maybe because we don't see the Pakistan Army patrolling the streets of Muzaffarabad or Mirpur.

Since I've lived in AK for quite some time, I'll tell you why nobody feels caged; its because we haven't tried to put them in a cage since we consider them a part of Pakistan. They're proud to be Pakistanis.

Can you say the same thing about the people of J&K?

They can dream and Talk Sh!t , this is what they are good at.

 

[Hulk]

Or maybe because we don't see the Pakistan Army patrolling the streets of Muzaffarabad or Mirpur.

Since I've lived in AK for quite some time, I'll tell you why nobody feels caged; its because we haven't tried to put them in a cage since we consider them a part of Pakistan. They're proud to be Pakistanis.

Can you say the same thing about the people of J&K?

Not as simple as you put it, how about NWFP, SWAT and SW? Do you not have heavy military presence and restricted movements?
It is because situation demands that, militancy in Kashmir meant that such measures have to put in place. No one has means to figure out terrorist within people by just looking at and hence forces do check every person. People will be fine with this in short time but if it continues for long time they will feel upset as it is happening now.

 

[RollingStones]

I oppose the delusion that only the "mohajirs" from India and specially from UP and Bihar oppose Taliban in Pakistan openly and are secular. I consider this a BS and believe that a large part of Pakistan population oppose taliban and their ideology. The article is actually trying to present "mohajirs" as a separate entity from Pakistani society which I consider as wrong.



The important thing is that article also didn't present the crimes and fascism of MQM which according to this article is founded by "secular" Indian mulims.

Anyways my objection to this article is that it is presenting migrants from India as separate group in Pak population which is totally wrong. The migrants from India or so called Mohajirs are as Pakistani and as religious as any other Pakistani.

It is too early to call if people in the area called pakistan have believed in the concept called pakistan. I think today people of pakistan probably are more skeptical about the concept of pakistani state than at any time in the past. Like someone pointed out in earlier posts, with so many editions of constitutions, coups, religious strife, economic and political bankruptcies including blackballed sports teams, the concept of Pakistan is today merely surviving on the shoulders of Saudi Arabia and China. We have to wait another quarter of a century to see if the idea of pakistan has worked. Right now it has not for the people who live there. So generalizing things about various parties within Pakistan at this point is perhaps not ideal. There are a lot of valid points in the article. We have seen that the terrorism in the world has been perpetuated by a specific sect within Islam, the very same sect that maybe asking for "azaadi" in Kashmir. If the Indian Government explains to the world this position, it is going to become even more difficult to see Kashmir as any sort of freedom movement. Worse, if the west sees Kashmiri students in its Universities here and they keep quiet about any sort of freedom, that will hurt as well. America and the west does not support independence for Kashmiris. So, it is going to be interesting to see how this works for Kashmiris. The article if close to the truth is dangerous for the kashmiri freedom movement. The major part of the article that there are several muslims in Kashmir who want to remain with India is a huge positive for India. I wasnt aware of that until now.

 

[Hulk]

They can dream and Talk Sh!t , this is what they are good at.

Generalization, sometimes you should do introspection and see how much Sh!t your own people produce.

No country/community is perfect selectively picking people who are not good and ignoring the good ones will give you that feeling.

Blaming floods/match fixing on India is not Sh!t right they are sensible in your opinion?

 

[Hulk]

First it was only muslim population. Now it is only Sunni population. Than it would be only bareilvi, only deobandi and only ahle hadees population.

Come one Bharatis how low you can go.

First get one person who is non Muslim to say they want to separate from India. It is purely a religious movement, where some people just cannot tolerate a secular society.

 

[Beskar]

Not as simple as you put it, how about NWFP, SWAT and SW? Do you not have heavy military presence and restricted movements?
It is because situation demands that, militancy in Kashmir meant that such measures have to put in place. No one has means to figure out terrorist within people by just looking at and hence forces do check every person. People will be fine with this in short time but if it continues for long time they will feel upset as it is happening now.

Since the topic on hand is about Kashmir, lets discuss that first. The fact of the matter is that Pakistan has been able to successfully provide the people of Azad Kashmir with an identity since its creation. India on the other hand hasn't be able to do so. The militancy in Pakistan is not relevant here since its not being carried out in an internationally disputed territory. The majority of population has proven its allegiance with Pakistan, hence the massive migration towards south during operations carried out in the past 3 years.

If the entire region was up in arms against the state, there wouldn't have been millions of IDPs who left their homes for the Army to carry out their operations against the militants.

Back to the topic, shall we?

 

[Hulk]

Since the topic on hand is about Kashmir, lets discuss that first. The fact of the matter is that Pakistan has been able to successfully provide the people of Azad Kashmir with an identity since its creation. India on the other hand hasn't be able to do so. The militancy in Pakistan is not relevant here since its not being carried out in an internationally disputed territory. The majority of population has proven its allegiance with Pakistan, hence the massive migration towards south during operations carried out in the past 3 years.

If the entire region was up in arms against the state, there wouldn't have been millions of IDPs who left their homes for the Army to carry out their operations against the militants.

Back to the topic, shall we?

I was 100% on topic if you understand that analogy can be used to make people understand what a person means. Using analogy does not mean off-topic IMO. You cannot compare apple and oranges Azad Kashmir as it is called never had militancy.

 

[Beskar]

I was 100% on topic if you understand that analogy can be used to make people understand what a person means. Using analogy does not mean off-topic IMO. You cannot compare apple and oranges Azad Kashmir as it is called never had militancy.

Your 'Analogy' was answered, hence the request to stay on topic. Read the title of your own thread.

Azad Kashmir can be compared with IOK. Both the territories are disputed by Pakistan and India yet one of the territory has an Identity while the other one doesn't. Discussing that makes much more sense then discussing Pakistan's internal affairs.

 

[Hulk]

Your 'Analogy' was answered, hence the request to stay on topic. Read the title of your own thread.

Azad Kashmir can be compared with IOK. Both the territories are disputed by Pakistan and India yet one of the territory has an Identity while the other one doesn't. Discussing that makes much more sense then discussing Pakistan's internal affairs.

I agree, I never meant to be off-topic in the first place. I explained why the problem is not there in Azad Kashmir.

 

[Omar1984]

Sunnis, Shias....we all are MUSLIMS.

hindus should stay out of this, hindus have absolutely nothing to do with ISLAM and MUSLIMS. instead hindus should worry about the millions of hindu dalits in india who are living a life worse than rats.


By the way, most Muslims on earth belong to the SUNNI sect..beware india!!!