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Sorry but Kashmir is non-negotiable, and is an integral part of India, Pakistan has no business in it and it better leave it alone for its own good. Stressing on this issue has put Pakistan on the verge of collapse and you have become nothing more than a laughing stock in the world. Its better you focus on your internal issues and stop poking your head into other countries. Kashmir stay's with India, period.

Dude do you do anything besides say delusional things :disagree:

Only indians like you would say Kashmir is an "integral" part of india, when most Kashmiris hate your guts and the world does not recognize Kashmir as a part of india :rofl:
 
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The bottom line is: Kashmir stays with India.

These disturbances warm the cockles of some hearts across the border and gives them something to be excited about.

Nothing more.

Game theory says that people will make rational choices in the end. We can wait for that time.
 
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Kashmir News | News Kashmir

A personnel Special Operation Group of Police and an army trooper were killed while a Captain were injured in separate gunfights with militants in Baramulla and Poonch district on Friday.

Concerned authorities claimed that Muslim Khan — a trooper of 47 Rashtriya Rifles was killed and a Captain of the army unit Captain Prakesh injured when militants attacked the army patrol near Zaloora area of Sopore town in north Kashmir’s Baramulla district last evening. The army returned the fire and cordoned off the whole area. The militants however managed to escape from the spot, reports added.

SP Sopore Altaf Ahmad Khan confirmed the incident and said that the searches were on in the area.

Meanwhile, army claimed that a ‘follower’ of SOG was killed in an ongoing encounter between militants and joint team of police and 33RR at Sanjot forest area in Mendhar Poonch.

Brigadier General Staff of 16 Corps, Nagrota, Brigadier Duwa told media that following specific information, police and army launched the cordon this evening in the forest area. He said that militants opened fire, killing a policeman. The fire was later returned, triggering of an encounter.

A senior Police Office of the Poonch identified the slain as Rukhsar Mirza of Surankote, who according to cop was working as follower of the SOG unit. When reports last came in, the gunfight was going on.
 
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Kashmire is an internationally accepted disputed area, there is a LOC not an international border dividing both sides of Kashmire i cannot understand why Indians here call it India's internal matter and how do they assume that Kashmiri's are Indians. Unrest in Kashmire due to ISI, USA having a hard time in AFG due to ISI, bomb plots in UK- ISI and now women stone pellters- ISI. Most of us need someone to point a finger at to hide our own failures but only the strong can face and defeat their short comings.
 
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After were the Indian offical stand, these are all Pakistanis and unrest has ISI hand in it. Now I have an Indian-Kashmiri collegue at work who hurls nothing but insult to India 24/7. Everytime I overhear him, I grin and exclaim "thanks god for Pakistan". :partay::partay:

Definetly it means more work to done by us and we will do it.

About land even if we have to scarifice/kill millions let's be prepared for it. Better Kashmir's understand Independence is not an option for them else they are one who will suffer.

No wonder hitler choose the swastika as a symbol of "good luck" to all races other than aryan! Your subconsiousness speaks of "akhand bharat" indoctrination through state sponser propoganda day and night. So what are you gonna do? Devise a final solution for all Kashmiris?
 
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Typical tactics of these cowards, hiding behind women's skirts (or veils in this case).

The LM mullahs did it, the Hamas did it, the Iraqi dictator hid behind civilians.

Nothing is happening to Kashmir, some may get some temporary excitement and relieve themselves on it. Kashmir is not going anywhere and most Kashmiris are solidly Indians. The rest can go take a hike.
 
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most Kashmiris are solidly Indians
But not in the Valley. Never seem to have been, nor does it seem they'll ever class themselves as Indians in the future.

Despite the increasing investment over the past decade from the Indian govt, you just can't win them over it seems. They refuse to be part of India.

That's the problem. Blaming it on the ISI is just a smokescreen. Even after 60 years, the hatred for India in the Valley is incredibly strong.
 
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It is very sad to know that you in a bid to justify the terrorism of Indian army in Kashmir, even had succumbed to the false propaganda by Indians that Indians from Kerala were fighting along side freedom fighters against Indian troops.


Jana,

I can justify the comments made by sieko with proof.

But going by your track-record of not letting facts change your opinions, proofs shouldnt matter!
 
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The medals were given for tomato catch up dramas and it was exposed only because some other tomato catch up Colonels felt the need to pull the leg because they were NOT decorated with the same.

Whats tomato "catch up" dramas got to do with this topic... where did that come from!?
 
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No wonder hitler choose the swastika as a symbol of "good luck" to all races other than aryan!

In a thread where the mods have been deleting messages right, left and center, deeming them as off-topic... fortunately, gems like these are allowed to linger!
 
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What is making the ordinary Kashmiri woman so angry that she is out on the street, throwing stones at police and leading the mob?


SRINAGAR: Kashmiri women traditionally evoke contradictory images in the world's consciousness: a dimpled Sharmila Tagore coyly rowing a shikara on the Dal Lake in Kashmir ki Kali; a group of burqa-clad women thrashing the owner of a beauty parlour in the heart of Srinagar; an ashen-faced woman standing alone by a broken window, watching a funeral procession out on her street. But the prevailing image of the last few weeks is of women walking the Valley's roads and shouting slogans against the Indian forces.

Last week, as the government in Delhi was busy blaming "outside" forces for provoking young children to throw stones at police and paramilitary forces, the women came out of their houses on one Srinagar street, bringing their pots and pans with them. They beat on the utensils, used them like cymbals and ran down the street, picking up stones and taking aim at a column of troops. The scene was replayed on other streets. The women — mostly housewives and young girls — had emerged from their homes to throw stones at the security forces and burn government jeeps. For a change, the police, which has felled 51 people in almost as many days, couldn't fire their SLRs.

Is the Kashmiri woman's new 'movement' all that new? Not really. Kashmir's women have been coming out onto the streets since 1990, when the insurgency began in the state. But this is the first time they have chucked stones, burned vehicles and led demonstrations against the police. In the years the militancy was at its peak, the women in villages, towns and cities across the Valley routinely emerged from their homes to shout slogans for Azaadi.
In those years, the separatists and their sympathizers would use the women as human shields, preventing decisive action by the security forces. Every time, a militant was arrested, a sympathizer would run to a mosque and use its loudspeakers to ask the women to come out in protest. "Maajan, benan cho wanane yawa ki tem neran sadakan pat (Mothers and sisters are requested to come out on the roads for protests)," was the message that reverberated through the Valley in the 1990s.

In this unquiet summer of 2010, the scene is a bit different. There are no urgent announcements from the mosques but the women are coming out in large numbers, on their own. They are not serving as human shields. They are leading the stone-pelting crowds. As the roads outside their houses boil with rage, many mothers and sisters have become street-fighters, joining husbands, sons and brothers in the demonstrations that have been erupting for weeks.
Asiya Andarabi, the separatist leader, believes part of the reason is because Kashmir's women can no longer ignore the death and mayhem outside their homes. "Every woman is affected by the turmoil here. Hundreds of Kashmiri women have their husbands in jails. Their husbands have been killed by security forces. So their anger is genuine," says Andarabi, who founded the separatist Dukhtaran-e-Millat or Daughters of the community.

Many in the Valley share this anger. Parveena Ahangar, who heads the association of parents of disappeared persons, says the women have suffered the most during Kashmir's tumultuous years. "My son was picked by the BSF men in early 1990s and since then his whereabouts are not known. Who can douse my anger?"

Ahangar, who lives in Batamaloo in Srinagar, travels to Lal Chowk every couple of weeks to join dozens of women in a sit-in protest to "remind the authorities about the missing persons". "I have dedicated my life to Kashmir's struggle," says Ahangar, who is haunted by the memory of her son.

But it is more than the trauma of the past. The continuing presence of heavily-armed Indian soldiers seems to have triggered a deep and fierce anger. Rozy Salim, 40, joined the protests two weeks ago, saying she could no longer bear the security forces going berserk in her locality every now and then. "Let India read the writing on the wall and realize the anger of Kashmiris against the occupation of Kashmir. They should allow the Kashmiris to decide their fate as per the UN resolutions," she says.
In the last two months, thousands of young boys have taken part in protests against police firing. Most of the protests ended in more police firing. Their mothers are worried and fearful their sons will be injured or shot dead. The worry has provoked them to anger. Jana Begum of Rawalpora went out to protest last week after her 22-year-old son was picked up by police for taking part in a street rally. "We will demolish every symbol of the state as our sons are being targeted by the forces," she says. Jana's neighbour Fatima Khan says she stands by Jana and other women whose sons have been picked up by the police for pelting stones at them.

Though many agree that the sight of women throwing stones is an indicator of the people's rage at the state, some say there is nothing unusual about it. "Women here come out to protest against electric power and water shortage as well," says Ghulam Mohammad Dar, 60, a resident of Pampore. But even he agrees that the sight of the security forces beating women with sticks and opening fire to stop them in their tracks is a new low for Kashmir. "It's something I haven't seen before," Dar says.

These ugly scenes may be playing themselves out in Srinagar's working-class neighbourhoods, but middle-class women are affected too. Many say they are moved by the daily pitched battles between the people and paramilitary forces. Dr Shameem Dar says that the fact "the Kashmiri women are forced to come out on the streets when forces arrest or use excessive force against the stone pelters, is a reaction to the use of force against their sons and husbands."

How long can this go on? Now, the guns are being trained on the women too. Last Sunday, Afroza Teli was hit by a bullet as she stood in a protest on a road at Khrew. Another woman Fancy Jan died last month from a bullet that hit her as she looked out of her window. In Kashmir today, women seem ready for the good fight, facing bullets on the streets and at their windows.

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Do send in relief to the Prime Minister's relief fund!! All your relief money is 100% tax exempt and goes directly to aid the victims of Leh.

If you're in India it has to be through standard DD/Cheque and regular mail.
For folks abroad, you could do a SWIFT transfer.

Details here: goo.gl/NKP7

A relief would be go a little further than a note saying 'Rest in Peace' :) Especially to you, dollar milking fatcats!! :D


PM note -

Help the Victims of Leh Flash Floods - As NDRF and IAF Begin Relief Work in Leh

In pursuance of an appeal by the then Prime Minister, Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru in January, 1948, the Prime Minister’s National Relief Fund (PMNRF) was established with public contributions to assist displaced persons from Pakistan. The resources of the PMNRF are now utilized primarily to render immediate relief to families of those killed in natural calamities like floods, cyclones and earthquakes, etc. and to the victims of the major accidents and riots.

Regards
 
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But not in the Valley. Never seem to have been, nor does it seem they'll ever class themselves as Indians in the future.

Despite the increasing investment over the past decade from the Indian govt, you just can't win them over it seems. They refuse to be part of India.

That's the problem. Blaming it on the ISI is just a smokescreen. Even after 60 years, the hatred for India in the Valley is incredibly strong.

I know of many Kashmiris who are getting educated and working all over India. You don't seem to be aware of the level of engagement of Kashmir with the rest of India.

They are already a part of India and will remain so. The only thing is left is that it sinks down to some that it is never going to change, not by terror, not by pelting stones and not by crying.

India is not going to be split again for reasons of hatred and sectarianism. That is final. Those who can't live in a secular democracy had their chance in 1947.
 
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