Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[Yeti]

Free speech is a right for any individual but what you say and where you say it could have consequences.

 

[Spring Onion]

Obviously the two youths were killed by Tanvir Ahmad Butt and he has been arrested by the Police, hopefully he will be prosecuted and jailed for killing his 2 friends.

Good detective work by cops and bringing the culprit to justice in such a timely fashion....

Thanks to Jana for reporting this excellent news

Killing of Kashmiri youth by Indians is not a new thing. The indian army had been killing innocent Kashmiris since long.

fake encounters by Indian forces/paid goons is not a new thing and had been reported widely.

Its the modus operandi of Indian forces to pick Kashmiri youth and then kill them in fake encounter.

I am sure these two young boys will also be killed by Indians

 

[Coltsfan]

Killing of Kashmiri youth by Indians is not a new thing. The indian army had been killing innocent Kashmiris since long.

fake encounters by Indian forces/paid goons is not a new thing and had been reported widely.

Its the modus operandi of Indian forces to pick Kashmiri youth and then kill them in fake encounter.

I am sure these two young boys will also be killed by Indians

Fake encounters are very effective.

They had been used in Punjab in the 90s very effectively and achieved good results.

I would not be averse to Indian forces using fake encounters of terrorists instead of arresting them.

PS: I think a saw a video of Pakistani Army executing militants, so fake encounters are not something unique to India

 

[Ammyy]

Killing of Kashmiri youth by Indians is not a new thing. The indian army had been killing innocent Kashmiris since long.

fake encounters by Indian forces/paid goons is not a new thing and had been reported widely.

Its the modus operandi of Indian forces to pick Kashmiri youth and then kill them in fake encounter.

I am sure these two young boys will also be killed by Indians

So you assume that they are killed by IA ????????

No words for you last line

 

[riju78]

Killing of Kashmiri youth by Indians is not a new thing. The indian army had been killing innocent Kashmiris since long.

fake encounters by Indian forces/paid goons is not a new thing and had been reported widely.

Its the modus operandi of Indian forces to pick Kashmiri youth and then kill them in fake encounter.

I am sure these two young boys will also be killed by Indians

can u please enlighten us how u predicted this???

 

[Coltsfan]

So you assume that they are killed by IA ????????

No words for you last line

Damn, I did not notice that.

Jana jee, you gotta say something to that?

 

[KS]

I don't really understand what the Hurriyat thinks they can achieve by these public rallies. They are preaching to the wrong crowd; no matter where they go in India, no one will pay the slightest attention to what they are saying. It would be the same as Omar Abdulla marching through Pakistan and telling people that Pakistani Occupied Kashmir should be returned to India.

As for the attacks and BJP protests; even if many people might publicly denounce it, we all know that privately people would say "serves them right". And even if, like some people suggest, the hurriyat leaders get gravely injured or even assassinated, it wouldn't really bother the average Indian. There might be quite a few shows of support and condemnation of the attackers, but at the end of the day, it would be a good riddance as far as most people would be concerned. I am certainly not advocating any sort of violence against these individuals, but we must remember that "One man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist". And by that same logic, for those who see him as a terrorist, these attacks are not only justified but also quite short of what he actually deserves. Just a thought....

Succinctly put !

 

[WAR-rior]

Damn, I did not notice that.

Jana jee, you gotta say something to that?

janajee is a good journalist...... alas, kashmir is a dope......it brings us both india and pakistan out of our senses........maaaan !

EMOTIONAL ATYAACHAAR !

 

[abrahams]

haaa... the nation . pak.... show a neutral source... or else it didnt happen...

 

[Joe Shearer]

RSS has support amongst everyone.I know a lot of IITians and IIM guys who get to shakas.

Is this a criterion for determining excellence, or for determining who has the right views on social issues?

Only the ones who are brainwashed by media and history textbooks think otherwise.

In case you have not noticed, the bulk of IIT and IIM students have studied science in school, and technology in undergraduate studies, hence have no clue about historical issues.

RSS sympathiser is essentially right wing and he attacks only those who dont put the nation's interests above other things.Infact it is he who gets called all sorts of ****.

The RW organization of pakistan is their army.

Presumably by analogy, all others are the opposite, ie, left wing.

In which case, there is a decided balance in favour of the left wing in Indian politics. Particularly so in the state of Bihar, for instance, where caste-based and exclusivist politics has been put into the rubbish bin, and economics and development politics is obviously in favour. What do you think is going to happen to the RSS/BJP/Sangh Parivar brand of exclusionist politics in future?

You mentioned that this so-called right wing puts India first, and only attacks those that don't put the nation's interests first.

Don't you find that sentence of yours both naive and self-serving, at one and the same time?

Who, for instance, has given members of this alleged right-wing the authority to decide what is good and bad for Indian politics, and for the Indian state, or the people of India?

The answer, unfortunately, is that they, the Sangh Parivar, have appointed themselves to be the guardians of Indian thinking, understanding of history and sociology, current morals and behaviour in public, relations between religions and castes and between religions and tribes.

But who authorised them? And why do they persist in breaking the law of the land? We must question both the authority and the delegated powers under that authority to discover what it is that leads to such seditious behaviour on the part of the RSS - flagrantly disregarding the law of the land. The latest incident being the row at the entrance to the venue where the Mirwaiz was due to speak. It just was unpleasant; no points were raised, none were answered. If the entire meeting had gone on like that, it would have been a disaster.

Fortunately, actual, bona-fide participants, like the ex-Chief, managed the situation well after the thugs had been dragged away. When faced with facts and logic, the Mirwaiz drooped and faded.

The only legitimate authority that can be given by the people and the state of India is to those who are elected to be representatives, at state level or at national level. Period. Others can express an opinion on whether this, that or some policy is good or bad for the nation, but they do not hold a monopoly of wisdom. So not only they, but those who wish to oppose them are free to say what they please.

It is difficult not to point out that if the Sangh Parivar's point of view, developed entirely by themselves, and not adopted universally in the nation, is to be heard peacefully, so too should nuisances like Arundhati Roy enjoy their right to express their point of view.

As Voltaire is wrongly reputed to have said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

The Sangh Parivar has a long way to go to get to the standards of the 18th century.

 

[Last Hope]

I would be surprised if the youth were Muslims.

I wasnt surprised either seeing this news.
Its a routine now.
The militants in the IA Uniforms must be taken strict action from UN.

 

[MYSTIC]

Most Indians of this generations dont treat Pakistanis as brothers. Certainly not of the TTP variety..

Have you ever stepped outside India or personally known Pakistanis. Outside our respective country we greet each other well.

 

[vandemataram]

Nehru was a die-hard idealist who thought the solution to the world's peace lay at the doorsteps of the UN while Ms.Suzanne Arundati Roy is just another bleeding heart liberal cum anarchist who seeks to lay her hand ultimately on the Nobel.

No comparison whatsoever.

PS: I dont know what she is thinking nowadays.First she alienated the BJP and now she is rubbing the Congressis the wrong way.She seems to forget Congressis are a much more violent lot than the BJP and touchy with the issues concerning Nehru-Gandhi family

Members please excuse me.

I am going to go a bit off topic.

Suzanna Arundhati Roy is a an anti-Hindu and a Hindu baiter. She is a crossover between a Bengali father and a Christian mother.

Now can the members tell me certain things about her please?.

a) Why does she not sign off as Suzanna Arundhati Roy? Is this a deliberate attempt at hiding her true identity of not being amongst one of India's majority community? Does this server her any purpose?

b) I have long surmised about her political leanings. Going by what she thinks, writes and speaks, she isnt much different from D Raja, Brinda, Barkha and Sagarika or for that matter Sitaram.

At the same time she is an anti Indian bigot who actually thinks about balkanising India. So is she also antagonistic to Congress and the Leftists?

Comments welcome,.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Members please excuse me.

I am going to go a bit off topic.

Suzanna Arundhati Roy is a an anti-Hindu and a Hindu baiter. She is a crossover between a Bengali father and a Christian mother.

Now can the members tell me certain things about her please?.

a) Why does she not sign off as Suzanna Arundhati Roy? Is this a deliberate attempt at hiding her true identity of not being amongst one of India's majority community? Does this server her any purpose?

b) I have long surmised about her political leanings. Going by what she thinks, writes and speaks, she isnt much different from D Raja, Brinda, Barkha and Sagarika or for that matter Sitaram.

At the same time she is an anti Indian bigot who actually thinks about balkanising India. So is she also antagonistic to Congress and the Leftists?

Comments welcome,.

How does her being Anti-Hindu explain her being Anti-India?

 

[KS]

Presumably by analogy, all others are the opposite, ie, left wing.

In which case, there is a decided balance in favour of the left wing in Indian politics. Particularly so in the state of Bihar, for instance, where caste-based and exclusivist politics has been put into the rubbish bin, and economics and development politics is obviously in favour. What do you think is going to happen to the RSS/BJP/Sangh Parivar brand of exclusionist politics in future?

You mentioned that this so-called right wing puts India first, and only attacks those that don't put the nation's interests first.

Don't you find that sentence of yours both naive and self-serving, at one and the same time?

Who, for instance, has given members of this alleged right-wing the authority to decide what is good and bad for Indian politics, and for the Indian state, or the people of India?

The answer, unfortunately, is that they, the Sangh Parivar, have appointed themselves to be the guardians of Indian thinking, understanding of history and sociology, current morals and behaviour in public, relations between religions and castes and between religions and tribes.

But who authorised them? And why do they persist in breaking the law of the land? We must question both the authority and the delegated powers under that authority to discover what it is that leads to such seditious behaviour on the part of the RSS - flagrantly disregarding the law of the land. The latest incident being the row at the entrance to the venue where the Mirwaiz was due to speak. It just was unpleasant; no points were raised, none were answered. If the entire meeting had gone on like that, it would have been a disaster.

Fortunately, actual, bona-fide participants, like the ex-Chief, managed the situation well after the thugs had been dragged away. When faced with facts and logic, the Mirwaiz drooped and faded.

The only legitimate authority that can be given by the people and the state of India is to those who are elected to be representatives, at state level or at national level. Period. Others can express an opinion on whether this, that or some policy is good or bad for the nation, but they do not hold a monopoly of wisdom. So not only they, but those who wish to oppose them are free to say what they please.

It is difficult not to point out that if the Sangh Parivar's point of view, developed entirely by themselves, and not adopted universally in the nation, is to be heard peacefully, so too should nuisances like Arundhati Roy enjoy their right to express their point of view.

As Voltaire is wrongly reputed to have said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

The Sangh Parivar has a long way to go to get to the standards of the 18th century.

Sikhs getting slaughered in thousands = A MISTAKE.
Hindus pandits getting killed in Kashmir = Political problem.
Poor protestors getting shot in WB under Left Govt = Misunderstanding.
But,Muslims getting killed by a few hundred = Holocaust/Pogrom/Genocide.
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Banning Parzania in Gujarat = Communal.
Banning Da Vinci Code and Jo Bole So Nihaal = Secular.
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Reservations in every school and college on caste lines = Secular. Reservations in Minority institutions = Communal.
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Fake encounters in Gujarat [Sohrabuddin] = BJP Communalism.
Fake encounters under Cong-NCP in Maharashtra [Khwaja Younus] = Police atrocity.
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Talking about Hindus and Hinduism appeasment = Communal.
Talking about Muslims,Christians and Islam = Secular.
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Not hanging Afzal Guru the mastermind despite Supreme Court orders = Humanity and Political dilemma/May affect Muslim sentiments
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BJP questioning Islam = Communal.
Congress/Historians questioning Lord Ram's existance = Clerical Error.
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The man who said "When a big tree falls the ground beneath it shakes" is honored with his name being used for every new airport,stadium,sea link etc.

The man who was the CM during the Guj riots is a modern incarnation of Hitler.
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While every Human rights activist/political party worth his saly fights for Muslim victims of th Guj riots , no one cares for the 58 Karsevaks killed intially and the 250 killed later in the riots by the Mulsim mobs.
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While a bomb blast in which a fringe group is among the suspects,it gets dubbed as "Hindu Terror" while in the case of its much famous cousin it becomes "Terrorism has no religion" and "innocent muslim youths are victimised"
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In a supposedly secular society Mulsims are given subsidy to go for Hajj ; while Hindus going to Amarnath Yatra are not even allotted proper land
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Supreme court orders in the Shah Bano case subverted to maintain Muslim sentiments
But Allahabad court verdict for Ayodhya questioned as faith cannot determine law
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M.H Hussain drawing Godess Saraswati nude = Freedom of free speech
But Danish cartoon activist should be condemned as it hurts Muslim sentiments
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When such conditions are widespread how can one blame the the RSS/Sangh Parivar alone for all the ills in the society.

Correct these above conditions and deny the oxygen that makes these groups relevant.Unless and until that is done don't blame RSS and its supporters.