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[aditiwari007]

Actually according to China, the whole world will be its property.
Arunachal is its property bcoz long, long ago, it belonged to Tibet, which China has unjustfully occupied.
Tommorow, it will put claims on Vietnam, Russia bcoz they all are communists.
Then they will put claims on most of the europe bcoz "long ago" Catherine, the great of Russia had captured many parts of it.
Next comes African nations bcoz "once" ago they were colonized by europeans.
And dont forget US bcoz US citizens are actually european immigrants!!!

Thank god, if martians ever existed, they died long ago before seeing the communist republic of china

 

[aditiwari007]

Fine. It 1962 repeats itself, we will kill all Indian POWs instead of treating them humanly. Also, if we can't destroy all your weapons you used against us, we will pull them back to China, instead of returning it to you rise and shine. Oh, one more thing, instead of a unilateral ceasefire and pullback, we should storm new-dehli instead. Why not? it would be just as natural as the British to came and ruled. No?

We have repeatedly warned you not to start it, and it's your own forward policy to blame. You got problems, you blame yourself. Don't take it out to China.

By neglecting Chinese propaganda of brotherhood with India, you turned your guns first at us as an enemy.

You don't deserve to be just humiliated. You should be forever deeply humiliated by Chinese. Then you would say, hah, no big deal, it's only life. The Chinese just came and ruled.

Dont forget that this time Cuban missile crisis are not there and the world will certainly interrupt to the unjustful demands of mad communists.

 

[aditiwari007]

well the highly trained, highly equipped Indian army hardly kills these "highly trained militants" without suffering any casualties or injury. And look at this news an armless woman killed a militant lolzz


It clearly shows the men were ordinary criminals NOT freedom fighters.


When will Indians learn to behave like real men stop such cheap propaganda.

There are bravery awards given to many citizens of India on 26 Jan(Republic Day) who show extraordinary courage and reply to criminals and terrorists(or your so called freedom fighters) in army's language.
I know you as a pakistani must be unaware of it bcoz u belong to a nation of cowards, the nation whose army after several defeats resorts to striking from back, commonly known as "terrorism"

 

[rajeev]

Some more threads, where Kashmiri demonstrates against Pakistan's occupation.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/kashmi...s-urge-pakistan-leave-kashmir.html#post514417

This kashmiri must be in fear that if Pakistan didn't made Azad Kashmir really azad, then there land will be in the hands of Taliban.

Dont tell that! It is apparently a RAW plotted action. The "real freedom fighers" are people who blowing themselves up so that they can kill those RAW protestors.

 

[oceanx]

No. I belong to the group in China who believes national territory is not open for negotiation, not an inch. I think India has similar concept in your constitution.

Even the CCP has effectively stated publicly that everything is up for negotiation except for their status as the people's "vanguard" ...

Which is perhaps the least of all evils for the time being.

But who are you? Why aren't you joining the Uncle's Marine?

Be all you can be - Professor? Or perhaps being a keyboard warrior is the next best thing?

 

[oceanx]

Fine. It 1962 repeats itself, we will kill all Indian POWs instead of treating them humanly. ...

By all means, continue to roll in the mud with the porcine wrestler from "Bharatavarsha".

But "kill POWs" - even rhetorically? You "profess" something alright! Are you sure you are not Japanese?

It's a pity that some Chimerichicken hawks take pride in making neocons blush.

One thing is for sure, however you labour at this, there will be no 靖国神社 for you in China.

Nor in America.

 

[Iggy]

As usual the Orange Indian media at work.

Just look at the details of this news story.

A woman succeeded in killing a 'militant" with an axe .

The woman and her husband snatched the weapons from "Militants"

well the highly trained, highly equipped Indian army hardly kills these "highly trained militants" without suffering any casualties or injury. And look at this news an armless woman killed a militant lolzz


It clearly shows the men were ordinary criminals NOT freedom fighters.


When will Indians learn to behave like real men stop such cheap propaganda.

Its ok Jana we can understand the frustrations of you because of your beloved terrorists oopsi freedom fighters getting *** kicked by the common people is Kashmir ..

 

[adrenalin]

Those people were not "freedom fighters". They were kidnappers and terrorists (clearly evident by the fact that they tried to kidnap and kill civilians). Get your labelling right next time.

These are the freedom fighters. I guess to you they look like LeT agents?

And you are a Think Tank

 

[EjazR]

You cannot argue that just because you believe a particular leader was popular, that that satisfies the condition of plebiscite or is illustrative of the sentiment of Kashmiris on a particular issue.

Political leaders tend to be popular with different people for different reasons - social programs, ideological reasons, economic policies, vision for the future etc. But popularity as a political figure does not automatically imply widespread support for a specific issue (becoming part of India or Pakistan) amongst the populace.

Well from a purely technical perspective ofcourse it does'nt satisfy the plebescite condition. But the operative thing is the plebescite was to show the sentiment of the people in 1948 not 1989. And if Pakistani forces had vacated western part of J&K, it is most likely that the people then would have listened to what Abdulla had said which would most likely be to join India. That explains why the locals had not supported infiltrators in 65 and 71. And even today

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Well from a purely technical perspective ofcourse it does'nt satisfy the plebescite condition. But the operative thing is the plebescite was to show the sentiment of the people in 1948 not 1989. And if Pakistani forces had vacated western part of J&K, it is most likely that the people then would have listened to what Abdulla had said which would most likely be to join India. That explains why the locals had not supported infiltrators in 65 and 71. And even today

That's completely speculative, and the plebiscite is to show the sentiments of Kashmiris, not Kashmiris from 1948-49, I fail to see where you derive that particular interpretation from. The Kashmir dispute has not ceased to be a dispute since then, and the principle behind resolving the dispute remains the same - allow the Kashmiris to decide.

And only a handful of locals needed to *** out the infiltrators, that too is not indicative of whether most Kashmiris would have chosen Pakistan or not.

KAGK was tremendously popular in NWFP, and he was pro-becoming a part of the Indian Union, yet despite his boycott, over 50% of the electorate showed up at the polls, and 95-98% voted for Pakistan.

 

[EjazR]

That's completely speculative, and the plebiscite is to show the sentiments of Kashmiris, not Kashmiris from 1948-49, I fail to see where you derive that particular interpretation from. The Kashmir dispute has not ceased to be a dispute since then, and the principle behind resolving the dispute remains the same - allow the Kashmiris to decide.

And only a handful of locals needed to *** out the infiltrators, that too is not indicative of whether most Kashmiris would have chosen Pakistan or not.

KAGK was tremendously popular in NWFP, and he was pro-becoming a part of the Indian Union, yet despite his boycott, over 50% of the electorate showed up at the polls, and 95-98% voted for Pakistan.

AM,

The dispute hasn't ceased to be a dispute because apparently no plebescite was held, I agree.
As I have mentioned before, even if it is in India's favor, can we seriously think that Pakistan and China will give up their parts of J&K? What about those people from Mirpur who will always be hostile to India even though in the minority. Should they be forced to join Indian Union against their will? That applies in reverse as well.

If anyone seriously thinks about it. to solve the problem today - Plebiscite can't be the best option and that is particularly keeping Kashmiri interests in mind, even many Separatists leaders realize this now.

And I'm surprised you bring in NWFP, if you do some google searching and use the British govt. documents you will know the true picture. First of all there was already an elected representative Congress govt. in power. Then why the need for Plebescite, when the elected representatives were to decide this. No plebescite was conducted in any other province then why the partiality for NWFP?

As for the vote count:

Number of voters 5,72,799
Polled votes (51%) 2,92,118
For Pakistan (51.5%) 2,89,244

51.5% of the allowed Voters , Voted for Pakistan. Universal franchise was not there and only 8-10% of total population voted. Moreover, Baccha Khan and Abdul Gaffar Khan ordered a boycott because the British and Nehru had already decided that NWFP will be part of Pakistan so what was the use except to create more bloodshed among their Pathan brothers. Hence following the path of non-violence he boycotted the polls although he did ask for an Independence option and was denied that.

Is this the result of a referendum that sealed the fate of Millions of Pakhtoons? With the disenfranchisement, can it even be called a majority vote? This was one of the reasons why the then Afghan govt. was so hostile to Pakistan in its early years because they felt that the referendum should have allowed the option of Pakistan or Afghanistan as well. But again because of Baccha Khan and Khudai Khitmatagar's (A group that had millions of members both muslim and non-muslim pathans) non-violence they did'nt resort to revolution and killings. Does make you wonder how different the NWFP and FATA regions would be if the non-violent developmental Baccha Khan and Abdul Gaffar Khan were allowed to govern these regions for the 30-40 years of their life after independence.

Here is the first link I could find and looked like a Pakistani source, but if you search for cabinet mission plan documents you will find the same results
History is Not a Farce: The NWFP Referendum Pak Tea House

 

[SSGPA1]

The match between Victoria and Cape Cobras on Saturday got off to a delayed start after police detained an Under-22 cricketer from Jammu and Kashmir staying at the Karnataka State Cricket Association (KSCA) complex in the Chinnaswamy Stadium in connection with a suspected presence of explosives at the venue. He was released after questioning and, after the police gave the green signal,

Ehsan Mirza, a senior official at Jammu and Kashmir Cricket Association, however, said they had been assured by KSCA secretary Brijesh Patel there was nothing untoward but they were not happy with the incident. "Our Under-22 team reached Bangalore on Friday evening from Bhubaneswar," Mirza told Cricinfo.

"Today morning some people - I'm not sure whether Karnataka police or any other security agency - came to the KSCA and carried out interrogations and picked two of our boys, Pervez Rasool and Mehrajudin (both from Kashmir). We spoke to Brijesh Patel and he assured us there was nothing untoward. But we are not happy with the incident. This is the height of indecency, the way our boys have been treated, and we are speaking to our president Farooq Abdullah to get the team back."

An official from the Jammu and Kashmir U-22 team said they were "shocked". "We are going to Mumbai soon. But now this has happened. All the boys are shocked. We are just waiting for further orders."

Match delayed after security alert | Cricket News | Champions League Twenty20 2009 | Cricinfo.com

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One of the many reasons why Kashmiris don't want to be any part of India!!!

 

[King Julien]

NEW DELHI: A cricketer from the Indian-administered Kashmir was arrested on Saturday on suspicion of carrying explosives in his bag, police said.

The arrest came hours before a Champions League Twenty20 match between Cape Cobras from South Africa and Victorian Bushrangers from Australia was to be played at M. Chinnaswamy stadium in Bangalore, the capital of Karnataka state, said Shankar Bidari, police commissioner.

Pervez Rasool, 21, was in the city for a domestic cricket tournament and his team, Indian-administered Kashmir’s under-22’s, was staying at the stadium complex. He was taken into custody after police searched his room following an alarm set off by metal detectors suggesting the presence of explosives, Bidari said.

‘No explosives were found in his bag. But explosives might have been brought in that bag or might have been transferred elsewhere. There may be some residue in the bag,’ he said.

‘We have sent the bag for chemical examination,’ Bidari said.

The cricketer belongs to the Anantnag district of the Indian-administered of Kashmir.

‘We are checking his background with police there,’ Bidari said.

Saleem Khan, secretary of the Jammu-Kashmir Cricket Association, defended Rasool and said police have found nothing in his bag.

India’s CNN-IBN television news channel reported that Saturday’s match would go ahead, starting one hour late. —AP

DAWN.COM | Cricket | Kashmiri cricketer arrested over suspicion of explosives

desperate attempt SSGPA1 by providing half baked story

BTW, its our internal matter

 

[EjazR]

Any investigation shoyuld have been done quitely by the Karnatak police without talking to the media. Just shows how some cops going beyond protocol can cause problems. There was no media residue found as of yet in the bag and still we see wrong reports of explosive residue. Almost all airports in India have speacial machines that indicate explosive residues, so that would have been picked up much before.

The only thing is the police got a "tipoff". Nothing wrong in questioning but there was no need to hype it up. Looks like some losers who could'nt make it into the team probably called up the police and did a hoax call. Anyways, good to know that a speedy investigation was done and the boys can go back to playing cricket
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Detained Jammu and Kashmir cricketers released for lack of evidence

Bangalore, Oct 17(ANI): Two cricketers from Jammu and Kashmir, who had been detained after suspected residue of explosive materials was allegedly found in their bag in Bangalore, were released on Saturday “for lack of incriminating evidence”.

According to reports, Bangalore police had detained Parvez Rasool and Mehrajudin following a tip-off that the two might have been carrying explosives to Chinnaswamy stadium, where two matches of the Champions League were to be played.

Earlier in the day, Bangalore police had taken both of them, who were in city to participate in the CK Naidu Trophy, into preventive custody. And an anti-explosive search was being conducted in the stadium to avoid any untoward incident on the occasion of Diwali.

Police said that there was no need to panic as the security has been beefed up in the city after the incident. (ANI)

 

[EjazR]

Farooq Abdullah seeks probe into detention of cricketers

Jammu, Oct 18 (IANS) A day after two cricketers from Jammu and Kashmir were detained and questioned in Bangalore, Union Minister for New and Renewable Energy and president of the state cricket body Farooq Abdullah called for a probe in the matter.

Talking to mediapersons in Jammu Sunday afternoon, Abdullah, president of the Jammu and Kashmir Cricket Association (JKCA), said: “The entire blame cannot be laid on the Karnataka Police, for they were fed with wrong information by some people from here.”

Abdullah said that he suspected the hand of those in the matter who could not find a place in the team.

Abdullah has asked the director general of police to probe the matter.

“I have asked the director general of police to look into the matter as to who phoned the people in Karnataka, which led to this unfortunate episode.”

Two Kashmiri cricketers of Jammu and Kashmir’s Under-22 team Parvez Rasool and Mehraj-ud-Din, were picked up from their room in Chinnaswamy stadium in Bangalore Saturday after traces of explosives were found in their bags. They were detained, questioned and later set free.