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Please Pakistani posters do not abuse any ones respected religion, it is strictly forbidden in Islam to abuse any ones religion.
As for Indian occupied Kashmir, it is not & will never be integral part of India, it is disputed territory & issue pending to be resolved. Hope India will give right of self determination to Kashmiris & stop Indian occupied forces brutal activities in Kashmir.
As for Indian occupied Kashmir, it is not & will never be integral part of India, it is disputed territory & issue pending to be resolved. Hope India will give right of self determination to Kashmiris & stop Indian occupied forces brutal activities in Kashmir.
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decide for yourself,if you think the islamic identity is the strongest,then take all the 13.4% of indian muslims into pakistan.this time we ll transport them without any harm,be happy and take kashmir also.why have this whole secular wecular bullshit drama.
decide for yourself,if you think the islamic identity is the strongest,then take all the 13.4% of indian muslims into pakistan.this time we ll transport them without any harm,be happy and take kashmir also.why have this whole secular wecular bullshit drama.
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the ummah brotherhood comes into picture only when one has to find fault with others as otherwise when it comes at taking responsibilities muslims in india become non muslims and not creditable enough even for representation in OIC.
As far as your statement is concerned Indian muslims are our own blood brothers and what you are asking is that we part from our own brothers just for the sake of some third party. sorry completly disagree with u.
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motive behind instigating this thread was to disscuss role of ANP and JUI(f) in context of Kashmiri freedom movemnt, but usual trolling from some indian memebers distracted and made this thread an usual all time india vs Pak thread where i saw few member nuking Pakistan in their fantacies and sleept peacefully afterwards
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the ummah brotherhood comes into picture only when one has to find fault with others as otherwise when it comes at taking responsibilities muslims in india become non muslims and not creditable enough even for representation in OIC.
As far as your statement is concerned Indian muslims are our own blood brothers and what you are asking is that we part from our own brothers just for the sake of some third party. sorry completly disagree with u.
Absolutely, Indian muslims are really muslim indians, just like we have hindu indians, sikh indians, short indians, tall indians etc. Who are we to question our equals? We are only falling for the trap laid out by our enemies if we do.
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INDIA'S WAR ON PEOPLE - Gautam Navlakha & Arundhati Roy, Mumbai, June 2, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igC9XEU4H6I
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When Kashmiris, Nagas, Maoists and others sought justice
By Jawed Naqvi
The creation of Pakistan from the Indian subcontinent was not inevitable. It happened despite several attempts to avert its formation, including efforts by the Muslim League. Former Indian foreign minister Jaswant Singh has given a compelling account in his book of the Congress partys arrogance and culpability in forcing Jinnah to say enough is enough.
By the same token, the independence of Bangladesh from Pakistan was not a pre-determined fact.
Islamabads grievous mishandling of the situation led to a truncated Pakistan. The same argument could apply to Kashmir. It is of course not surprising that the Indian middle class, led by its Murdochian TV channels, advocates military force to tame Kashmirs anti-India upsurge in the way Gen Yahya Khan unleashed military terror in East Pakistan. However, somewhat hypocritically while it celebrates Indias military intervention, which led to the creation of Bangladesh, when it comes to Kashmir the Indian middle class takes the opposite view.
As with Pakistan and later with Bangladesh, there was, and perhaps still is, nothing imminent about Kashmirs Azadi from India. But everything has been mishandled for years (and is being made worse on a daily basis) by New Delhi. And that has paved the way for people to believe that Azadi is the only option which gives them justice and dignity.
In the early days of Kashmirs alienation from New Delhi, Nehru had asked leftist film scribe Khwaja Ahmed Abbas to intervene on his behalf with Sheikh Abdullah. Nehru died before there could be progress. Now Manmohan Singh has assembled a group of interlocutors. One of them has already come up with the most original non-starter suggesting the Indian constitution be changed to accommodate the Kashmiris sentiments. Now you dont need a constitutional change to withdraw troops from Kashmir, or to free its political prisoners, or to hold serious talks with Pakistan, or to punish the rapists and torturers who are claiming to be the defenders of the Indian state, or to hold a referendum to ascertain the peoples will in Kashmir.
You need an administrative order and a will to carry out the mandate of democracy.
Thats all.
The government sensed trouble when a group of representatives of seriously disaffected people came together on a platform at a recent seminar about Kashmir in Delhi called Azadithe only way. The furore over sedition charges against Arundhati Roy and Syed Ali Shah Geelani who also addressed the seminar was a complete red herring, a compulsory digression for the Indian state and its rightwing props because neither Roy nor Geelani said anything they hadnt said for years. The furore was a deliberate decoy to head off the debate on Hindu terror after Indresh Kumar, a senior member of the RSS, was named in a CBI charge-sheet for a bomb blast in the Ajmer Sharif dargah in which many were killed.
However, in chasing a completely false lead about sedition and so forth, the state and the media may have missed out on the significance of an historic meeting of disparate ideological and political groups. Nagas, Manipuris, Sikh separatists, Maoists and human rights activists, among others, were discussing their separate injustices at the hands of the Indian state in the context of the brutalisation of Kashmir. Even as they had assembled at the Little Theatre Group under the ruse of speaking for Kashmir, Indias intelligence agencies could not have been entirely unaware of the momentous nature of the event. Ironically, the Maoists and the Kashmiri separatists who had come together for the first time on a platform in Delhi had once shared a common history.
For example, the Maoists are but an evolved offshoot of the Telangana struggle against the Nizam of Hyderabad, in which communist cadres had participated in his armed overthrow. The Kashmiris are the inheritors of an anti-feudal struggle against Hari Singh, the former ruler of Jammu and Kashmir, that was led by Sheikh Abdullah.
It was in 1941 that Abdullahs Jammu and Kashmir National Conference joined All India States Peoples Conference, the arm of the Congress Party that was working for democracy in the princely states and was pitted against the Rajas who were technically outside the realm of British empire. When the Sheikh joined the Quit India movement in 1942, he was welcomed and applauded. But when he launched a Quit Kashmir campaign against Hari Singh in 1946, he was surprised by the aloofness from many in the Congress. It does not seem to bother our contemporary democrats that Kashmirs Accession certificate was signed by a discredited monarch who did not have the trust of his people.
Anyway, at the recent Azadi meeting one set of comrades whose history goes back to the Telengana peoples struggle against a feudal ruler came out in in support of another set of comrades whose independence had been subverted by the newly formed Indian state.
In Hyderabad the Indian government had encouraged a peoples movement to overthrow the Nizam, in Kashmir it subverted the people to sign a controversial Instrument of Accession with its feudal ruler. Even Lord Mountabatten made mention of the need to get the peoples approval on Hari Singhs transactions with New Delhi, but all that is now forgotten history.
Let me end here, by quoting the views of two important speakers at the Azadi meeting, which were largely ignored by the media and the state in their hunt for Arundhati Roy.
Varavara Rao, a self-confessed Maoist and poet, said in an interview after the event that the Maoists were firmly behind the Kashmiri peoples struggle for the right to self-determination and justice.
A Naga separatist, who spoke at the meeting, also gave reasons about why his movement stood in solidarity with the Kashmiris.
Varavara Rao to Tehelka magazine: I feel Azadi is the only way for Kashmir. Self-determination is the right of every nationality. Being a Maoist, I support revolutionary and independent movements of people. On that Marxist-Leninist principle, I support the nationality struggle of Kashmir and of the Northeast. I come from the Hyderabad riyasat. Both Hyderabad and Kashmir were invaded by India. Even the Indian Union uses the word accession in both cases. They annexed Hyderabad on the pretext that the rulers are Muslims and the ruled are Hindus. In Kashmir, they said the king is Hindu. In both places, they played the Hindu card.
The general secretary of the Naga Peoples Movement for Human Rights, N. Venuh, is an advocate of independent Nagaland. In his speech during the convention on Kashmir, he espoused the cause of Azad Kashmir, drawing parallels between the two states.
We are not part of India, so we cannot be called secessionists. The government has to give us our rights. We can be friends with the Indian State, but cannot be part of the Indian Union. On similarities between the Naga struggle and Kashmiris, he said: Yes. History tells us that Kashmir is a disputed territory. This is why the UN office is still there in Srinagar.
The Kashmiris should have the right to self-determination. They should be allowed to decide whether they want to be with India or go their own way. This is true for Nagas. We never wanted to be a part of India.
As I said, the recent meeting on Kashmir was a landmark event. Call it secessionist or a call for sedition, or whatever. Arundhati Roy and Syed Ali Shah Geelani were not the main story. This is what the Indian media and the Indian state would do well to understand and, if possible, accept.
When Kashmiris, Nagas, Maoists and others sought justice Opinion columns, editorials, Dawn 50 years ago today, blogs, letters to the editor and other voices
By Jawed Naqvi
The creation of Pakistan from the Indian subcontinent was not inevitable. It happened despite several attempts to avert its formation, including efforts by the Muslim League. Former Indian foreign minister Jaswant Singh has given a compelling account in his book of the Congress partys arrogance and culpability in forcing Jinnah to say enough is enough.
By the same token, the independence of Bangladesh from Pakistan was not a pre-determined fact.
Islamabads grievous mishandling of the situation led to a truncated Pakistan. The same argument could apply to Kashmir. It is of course not surprising that the Indian middle class, led by its Murdochian TV channels, advocates military force to tame Kashmirs anti-India upsurge in the way Gen Yahya Khan unleashed military terror in East Pakistan. However, somewhat hypocritically while it celebrates Indias military intervention, which led to the creation of Bangladesh, when it comes to Kashmir the Indian middle class takes the opposite view.
As with Pakistan and later with Bangladesh, there was, and perhaps still is, nothing imminent about Kashmirs Azadi from India. But everything has been mishandled for years (and is being made worse on a daily basis) by New Delhi. And that has paved the way for people to believe that Azadi is the only option which gives them justice and dignity.
In the early days of Kashmirs alienation from New Delhi, Nehru had asked leftist film scribe Khwaja Ahmed Abbas to intervene on his behalf with Sheikh Abdullah. Nehru died before there could be progress. Now Manmohan Singh has assembled a group of interlocutors. One of them has already come up with the most original non-starter suggesting the Indian constitution be changed to accommodate the Kashmiris sentiments. Now you dont need a constitutional change to withdraw troops from Kashmir, or to free its political prisoners, or to hold serious talks with Pakistan, or to punish the rapists and torturers who are claiming to be the defenders of the Indian state, or to hold a referendum to ascertain the peoples will in Kashmir.
You need an administrative order and a will to carry out the mandate of democracy.
Thats all.
The government sensed trouble when a group of representatives of seriously disaffected people came together on a platform at a recent seminar about Kashmir in Delhi called Azadithe only way. The furore over sedition charges against Arundhati Roy and Syed Ali Shah Geelani who also addressed the seminar was a complete red herring, a compulsory digression for the Indian state and its rightwing props because neither Roy nor Geelani said anything they hadnt said for years. The furore was a deliberate decoy to head off the debate on Hindu terror after Indresh Kumar, a senior member of the RSS, was named in a CBI charge-sheet for a bomb blast in the Ajmer Sharif dargah in which many were killed.
However, in chasing a completely false lead about sedition and so forth, the state and the media may have missed out on the significance of an historic meeting of disparate ideological and political groups. Nagas, Manipuris, Sikh separatists, Maoists and human rights activists, among others, were discussing their separate injustices at the hands of the Indian state in the context of the brutalisation of Kashmir. Even as they had assembled at the Little Theatre Group under the ruse of speaking for Kashmir, Indias intelligence agencies could not have been entirely unaware of the momentous nature of the event. Ironically, the Maoists and the Kashmiri separatists who had come together for the first time on a platform in Delhi had once shared a common history.
For example, the Maoists are but an evolved offshoot of the Telangana struggle against the Nizam of Hyderabad, in which communist cadres had participated in his armed overthrow. The Kashmiris are the inheritors of an anti-feudal struggle against Hari Singh, the former ruler of Jammu and Kashmir, that was led by Sheikh Abdullah.
It was in 1941 that Abdullahs Jammu and Kashmir National Conference joined All India States Peoples Conference, the arm of the Congress Party that was working for democracy in the princely states and was pitted against the Rajas who were technically outside the realm of British empire. When the Sheikh joined the Quit India movement in 1942, he was welcomed and applauded. But when he launched a Quit Kashmir campaign against Hari Singh in 1946, he was surprised by the aloofness from many in the Congress. It does not seem to bother our contemporary democrats that Kashmirs Accession certificate was signed by a discredited monarch who did not have the trust of his people.
Anyway, at the recent Azadi meeting one set of comrades whose history goes back to the Telengana peoples struggle against a feudal ruler came out in in support of another set of comrades whose independence had been subverted by the newly formed Indian state.
In Hyderabad the Indian government had encouraged a peoples movement to overthrow the Nizam, in Kashmir it subverted the people to sign a controversial Instrument of Accession with its feudal ruler. Even Lord Mountabatten made mention of the need to get the peoples approval on Hari Singhs transactions with New Delhi, but all that is now forgotten history.
Let me end here, by quoting the views of two important speakers at the Azadi meeting, which were largely ignored by the media and the state in their hunt for Arundhati Roy.
Varavara Rao, a self-confessed Maoist and poet, said in an interview after the event that the Maoists were firmly behind the Kashmiri peoples struggle for the right to self-determination and justice.
A Naga separatist, who spoke at the meeting, also gave reasons about why his movement stood in solidarity with the Kashmiris.
Varavara Rao to Tehelka magazine: I feel Azadi is the only way for Kashmir. Self-determination is the right of every nationality. Being a Maoist, I support revolutionary and independent movements of people. On that Marxist-Leninist principle, I support the nationality struggle of Kashmir and of the Northeast. I come from the Hyderabad riyasat. Both Hyderabad and Kashmir were invaded by India. Even the Indian Union uses the word accession in both cases. They annexed Hyderabad on the pretext that the rulers are Muslims and the ruled are Hindus. In Kashmir, they said the king is Hindu. In both places, they played the Hindu card.
The general secretary of the Naga Peoples Movement for Human Rights, N. Venuh, is an advocate of independent Nagaland. In his speech during the convention on Kashmir, he espoused the cause of Azad Kashmir, drawing parallels between the two states.
We are not part of India, so we cannot be called secessionists. The government has to give us our rights. We can be friends with the Indian State, but cannot be part of the Indian Union. On similarities between the Naga struggle and Kashmiris, he said: Yes. History tells us that Kashmir is a disputed territory. This is why the UN office is still there in Srinagar.
The Kashmiris should have the right to self-determination. They should be allowed to decide whether they want to be with India or go their own way. This is true for Nagas. We never wanted to be a part of India.
As I said, the recent meeting on Kashmir was a landmark event. Call it secessionist or a call for sedition, or whatever. Arundhati Roy and Syed Ali Shah Geelani were not the main story. This is what the Indian media and the Indian state would do well to understand and, if possible, accept.
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All these secessionist movements have one thing in common-a record of poor governance and lack of opportunity for the youth. My hometown is Jammu, and I know how corrupt and inefficient the civil administration is there.
If people are given the opportunity to prosper and grow, nobody cares about 'azaadi'. We need bring development to these areas, fast. The military way of doing it won't solve the problem.
If people are given the opportunity to prosper and grow, nobody cares about 'azaadi'. We need bring development to these areas, fast. The military way of doing it won't solve the problem.
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So a Naga leader says Naga people are not part of India as well.
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Oh well we have our own share of balochs and talibs. Dont worry about them we can take care of our house.
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My point was why he is saying so? Has he any reasons or points to back his statement ?
In case of Kashmir we can understand that Kashmir was Never part of India neither Kashmiris consider themselves Indians.
But in case of Nagas??? what is their history ?
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