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[Hulk]

Its a statement from a person living in Indian Occupied Jammu and Kashmir.

You are living in the United States, what would you know thats happening in IOK.

Such statements needs to be proved, when you say there is blood all over that has to be supported by facts, so I am asking for facts.

A statement means nothing, some people are over emotional and can say things which are factually incorrect. If you look at the trend Kashmiri cry for every small little thing and does not leave any opportunity to protest. So given that it should not be difficult to prove this right?

 

[somebozo]

In that case the headline should be "patriotic Kashmirs create ruckus"
The divide lives deep in the mind of every Indian politician starting from duplicity of Nehru - Gandhi alliance..

Trouble makers are labeled Muslims, Islamic militants or Sunni etc etc..and everyone else is a peace loving hippie dying to join indian union! So in a nutshell only group worth the "kashmiri" identity is the pro-india mafia!

At least we are braving that divide and trying to stumble our way thru it. You guys just ranaway, too scared to handle that..

There was literally no use of being engaged in constant fight against hindu majority and nehru-gandhi duplicity. Jinnah realized that and today we are very happy!

Also good that 26th Oct in Jammu will be celebrated for accession with India.

But 15 august is celebrated as black day?? Seriously if majority favored accession with India, then why do we see riots and stone pelting even after 60 years??? If you are telling us that handful of leaders are trouble making and keeping 700 thousand troops engaged, then these leaders have some pretty good trick up their sleeve. Lies have no root and cannot be kept covered forever. Kashmiri riots and chants for freedom even after 60 years are a shame to Indian propaganda of world largest democracy.

You are reading it upside down, fact is that Kashmiri Muslim could not tolerate a diverse view of minority Hindus and therefore they were thrown out. The fact is that it is Muslims in Kashmir who have thrown out Pandits from valley and Muslims in India elsewhere are living happily. Don't quote stupid instances to support your claim, in their common life they have no problem.

Per se the doctrine of Indian union, that could mean minority hindu pandits ruling or Muslim majority Kashmir effectively rendering Muslims as second class. A common phenomena in today's India everywhere. I am yet to meet an India muslim which has not complained about hindu domination and control..

No it is a living proof that Kashmir belongs to all Indians ... not just muslims in Kashmir.

Effectively eroding Kashmiri identity and their Islamic association as gradually depriving them of power. Hence the Kashmiris are fighting for the right of self determination.
In a nutshell, Kashmirs don't want to be Indians and be forced to share their land located at idealistic and strategic location with 800 million destitute deprived poors!

 

[LaBong]

In that case the headline should be "patriotic Kashmirs create ruckus"
The divide lives deep in the mind of every Indian politician starting from duplicity of Nehru - Gandhi alliance..

Trouble makers are labeled Muslims, Islamic militants or Sunni etc etc..and everyone else is a peace loving hippie dying to join indian union! So in a nutshell only group worth the "kashmiri" identity is the pro-india mafia!

I guess the headline says Kashmiri Hindus create ruckus at Syed Ali Geelani seminar. Or are you just trying to live up to your name?

 

[notsuperstitious]

Fact is that in Delhi, the capital of democratic India, people are openly allowed to hold conferences named ''Azaadi -- The Only Way'' and police provide protection at such events.

There is room in this country for everyone.

 

[bandit]

Its a statement from a person living in Indian Occupied Jammu and Kashmir.
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Please take the time to read what a Kashmiri who was born and raised in Pakistani held Kashmir has to say about that region. Pakistanis talk about all they can about Indian Kashmir, but what about Pakistani Kashmir that everbody forgets?

In most reports on Kashmir, focus is always the
Valley of Kashmir, as if it was Jammu and Kashmir in totality; in fact, it is only one region of the State of Jammu and Kashmir. All regions of the State have different problems and no region can claim to represent the remaining four regions; but we have one thing in common- we are all victims.
Because of this bias in the past reports, where focus has always been the Valley, the other regions of the state were neglected and one wrong impression emerged was that the problem was related to the Valley only. No doubt the Valley is very important, and people of this region have suffered the most in the past Seventeen
years, but this does not mean that people living in other regions are not suffering.
People of Gilgit and Baltistan still DONOT have those social and political rights enjoyed by their counterparts on the other side of the LOC for many decades. This is not to suggest that people on the other side of LOC are not suffering because of militancy and presence of large number of army in the populated areas.
Militancy and counter militancy has brought enormous problems for the people on the Indian side, but Indian, Kashmiri and international human rights organizations have documented all this; and there
is wide scale condemnation on human rights violations.
Areas of Azad Kashmir and Gilgit and Baltistan were no go areas for non Kashmiris and especially Europeans. The deadly earthquake of October last year provided an opportunity to European human rights teams to visit Azad Kashmir and see for themselves the plight of the people. One such group Human Rights Watch produced its report a few months ago, and told the world that everything on this side of
the LOC was not rosy even before the earthquake, and the earthquake has enormously exacerbated the misery of the local people. Emma Nicholson's report is a first attempt (as it is not directly linked to earthquake relief work) on behalf of the international community to see what goes on inside these areas. It is an acknowledgment that these areas- Azad Kashmir and Gilgit and Baltistan are also part of the State and that people of these areas are denied of their basic human rights.However everything in the report is not according to our wishes (and for that matter no report could satisfy all parties completely), as it fails to talk about Kashmiri peoples right of self -determination. Question we need to ask is, is she the first person to negate our right of self- determination? What about government of Pakistan's stand on the issue of our right of self determination- they have
repeatedly said that Kashmiris cannot become Azad; and furthermore recent statements of General Musharaf, which clearly talk about the division of the
State?Dr Shabir Choudhry : Writer is Chairman Diplomatic Committee of JKLF, DirectorInstitute of Kashmir Affairs and author of many books on Kashmir.

Emma Nicholson and EU Kashmir report

 

[somebozo]

There is room in this country for everyone.

And the air in that room is contaminated with burnt gun powder!

 

[Contrarian]

Actually Jinnah got proved wrong-the two nation theory has been proved wrong. You need to keep repeating to yourself otherwise to justify Pakistan, Indians dont.

 

[StingRoy]

Trouble makers are labeled Muslims, Islamic militants or Sunni etc etc..and everyone else is a peace loving hippie dying to join indian union! So in a nutshell only group worth the "kashmiri" identity is the pro-india mafia!

No, the trouble makers are those who are instigating violence and ransacking public property, they are those who come from across our borders from "stateless" territories and use masjids for launching attacks on our forces... the only group worth Kashmiri tag are the peaceful ones who can learn to live like the rest in the country.

There was literally no use of being engaged in constant fight against hindu majority and nehru-gandhi duplicity. Jinnah realized that and today we are very happy!

We can see how happy you are... but if you say so ... let it be the truth.

But 15 august is celebrated as black day?? Seriously if majority favored accession with India, then why do we see riots and stone pelting even after 60 years??? If you are telling us that handful of leaders are trouble making and keeping 700 thousand troops engaged, then these leaders have some pretty good trick up their sleeve. Lies have no root and cannot be kept covered forever. Kashmiri riots and chants for freedom even after 60 years are a shame to Indian propaganda of world largest democracy.

The 700 k troops are engaged in order to prevent another 1947, 1965 and 1999 where our "friendly" neighbors challenged our sovereignty.

Per se the doctrine of Indian union, that could mean minority hindu pandits ruling or Muslim majority Kashmir effectively rendering Muslims as second class. A common phenomena in today's India everywhere. I am yet to meet an India muslim which has not complained about hindu domination and control..

Without the risk of being arrogant, I haven't met any Indian Muslim who has complained about living in India.

Effectively eroding Kashmiri identity and their Islamic association as gradually depriving them of power. Hence the Kashmiris are fighting for the right of self determination.
In a nutshell, Kashmirs don't want to be Indians and be forced to share their land located at idealistic and strategic location with 800 million destitute deprived poors!

No one is eroding their identity. They are living as the rest of us are living and they have equal rights to being in the center of power like the rest of us and unlike the people of P0K.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

India parallels terror with Kashmir dispute​

Hameed Shaheen

21 Oct 2010


ISLAMABAD: India has taken a ‘new cat’ out of her rusty box of intransigence to confront Pakistan with re-tailored issue of ‘terror’ equating it as ‘substantive’ as the long outstanding UN-recognized dispute over Jammu and Kashmir. Redefining the range of unsettled issues with Pakistan, India announced Tuesday to start an “incremental, graduated and forward looking” process “to normalize relations with Pakistan”.

Addressing a seminar “The Future of India-Pakistan Relations” in New Delhi the Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao is reported to have said: “The issue of terrorism arising out of the sub-conventional conflict directed by Pakistan against India for over two decades now, cannot be ignored either. It is as substantive an issue as the issue of Jammu and Kashmir or the issue of the Siachen Glacier”.

Veterans in the capital here having a sharp eye over the complex South Asian affairs are of the view that Indian Foreign Secretary’s latest statement is a strong indication that New Delhi wants “to supersede” the old unsettled dispute over Jammu and Kashmir with its new “concoction” according substantive status in any future talks with Pakistan to the so-called “terror”, condemned at several time publicly by Islamabad.

In the same breath the Foreign Secretary says: “While there can be no guarantees for success (of talks), such an approach seeks to build first on what is achievable and simultaneously to also address the more intractable issues in a sustained manner”.

Analysts interpret it as a pre-judged “failure” of any future bilateral Indo-Pak talks showing clearly India stands at the same brink where she stood 63 years ago” with in-between series of collapsed talks on Kashmir dispute and other unresolved issues with Pakistan.

Analysts recall that despite Pakistan’s repeated calls, New Delhi has been spurning a recourse to the resumption of composite dialogue having already consumed on it eight rounds both at the Foreign Secretaries’ and Foreign Ministers’ levels in Islamabad and New Delhi alternatively. India now prefers precedence of terror issue over the composite dialogue relegating the central dispute of Jammu and Kashmir under the terror debate din.

The Indian Foreign Secretary also spoke about the potential benefits that might accrue from India’s economic relations with Pakistan with a “gentle” refrain of criticism over Pakistan not according most favored nation treatment to India and not allowing transit facility for Indian trade expansion to Afghanistan and beyond to the Central Asian bowl.

Kashmir Watch :: In-depth coverage on Kashmir conflict

 

[DesiGuy]

very sad, indeed.

 

[CONNAN]

US rejects Pakistan's request to intervene in Kashmir dispute - Hindustan Times



The United States has refused to intervene into the Kashmir issue as requested by Pakistan, saying this should be resolved bilaterally between New Delhi and Islamabad. "We recognise the importance of Kashmir to both countries. We absolutely want to see tensions eased and ultimately a resolution to situation in Kashmir," State Department spokesman P J Crowley said at a news conference at the Foreign Press Center.

"That we believe needs to come through additional dialogue between Pakistan and India. We have not been asked by both countries to play a particular role," he said.

"But this is the reason why, for a number of reasons we continue to encourage further dialogue between India and Pakistan," Crowley said in response to a question.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi had yesterday urged the US to help it resolve the Kashmir dispute with India. "It is in the interest of lasting peace, stability and development of the region that the US works for the resolution of disputes in South Asia.

This has to begin with justice for the Kashmiri people," Qureshi had said. Qureshi is leading a high-powered Pakistani delegation for the third US-Pakistan Strategic Dialogue being held in Washington.

 

[Minimalist]

Living proof that India has not yet evolved from hindu muslim divide which is at least a millinieum old. Grand salute to Jinnah for his forward vision!

Jinnah had a lot of other visions also, are you sure your country has upheld all (or even some) of them?

How 'bout the word 'secular' for a start? Wasn't that also one of Jinnah's visions?

 

[foxbat]

There was literally no use of being engaged in constant fight against hindu majority and nehru-gandhi duplicity. Jinnah realized that and today we are very happy!

Are you? My understanding is that there are more sectarian killings in Pakistan compared to anything of that sort in India. You guys love to bring up Gujrat and 1984 riots and some idiotic crime against christians, but if you realize, these are scattered incidents in India.. Where as in Pakistan you keep hearing the shia-sunni, Muslim-Ahmadi, Muhajir - non muhajir crap going on almost every week.

But it looks like that keeps you happy..

 

[foxbat]

If there is any doubt left

Kashmir internal matter of India: Timothy Roemer - India - DNA

In a snub to Pakistan, the US today said Kashmir is an internal matter of India which will only decide when to take it up bilaterally with Islamabad.

"We duly note that this (Kashmir) is an indigenous and internal issue to India and when India decides to take this issue on they will do it in a bilateral sense with Pakistan, at the appropriate scope, level and pace they want to engage in," US ambassador to India Timothy Roemer told Karan Thapar on Devil's Advocate programme for CNN-IBN.

He said that the US deeply regretted the injuries, loss of lives, damage to property and the difficulties that have taken place this last summer in Kashmir.

Roemer also recalled that President Barack Obama had clearly told his Pakistan counterpart Asif Ali Zardari that the US will not be part of any military build up against India.

"US will not be part of any kind of military build up against the people of India. Let me be clear Mr Zardari," Roemer said, quoting Obama from a recent book authored by Bob Woodward.

Roemer pointed out that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has been favouring a stable Pakistan as it was in India's interest so that it can grow at 8-9% a year and have more inclusive growth.

Seeking to allay India's apprehensions on US arms sale to Pakistan, he said the weapons were targeted at terrorists and not at India and the American Congress will ensure that they are used for the intended purpose.

"Some of the arms sales the US has to Pakistan are geared to counter-insurgency efforts to concentrate on the cancer and on the terrorism internally that can further destabilise Pakistan that is not in India's interest at all. Therefore these weapons are targeted at terrorists not at India," Roemer said.

Asked how the US would ensure that the weapons sold to Pakistan are not used against India, Roemer said the American Congress would make sure that the arms are used for intended purposes.

The envoy also pointed out that the India-US Caucus has 40 senators as members who could act as a pressure group to ensure that the arms sold to Pakistan are used against terrorists.

"Forty percent of the Senate is part of the India-US caucus... They will ensure that the weapons are used for their intended purposes," Roemer said.

On reports that US authorities were aware of David Headley planning the Mumbai attack, he said American investigators had "regularly and consistently" shared intelligence inputs on 26/11 with India.

"There was no delay, we shared the information on 26/11. We shared it regularly, consistently," Roemer said.

The US had also given Indian investigators "unfettered access" to question Headley in the US, a step which he termed as "extraordinary".

He sought to dismiss differences over outsourcing as "small irritants" and pointed out that over the years India has moved from being the 25th largest trading partner of the US to the 14th biggest partner.

"Let us talk about 99% of the US-India commerce and trade story which is positive or strategic relationship," was Roemer's refrain.

On US concerns over the civil nuclear liability bill, he said the disagreements and concerns will have to be ironed out in the future.

 

[indushek]

Quaid e Azam's dream of having a secular Islamic state was blown away the second he breathed his last breath. A great man who was a visionary but also hard, he though he could carve out a state which was truly secular. Little did he realize that the people with vested interests would take over his dream nation and make it hell on earth within mintutes of his passing away.