Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[Jackdaws]

Dude we indian's gave a deep deep thought, on why without our fault we were massacared in the name of religion first by muslims and then by christians.

We always welcomed the stranger with open hearts and we bled to dearth,what was our fault??

PPl in pakistan take gr8 pride that we muslims ruled the hindus under our boots for over 1000 years and now when the things are different u guys cry mercy before the world ??

What happened to the great pakistani muslim martial race??why dont u have faith in god and try to take away what u beleive is yours??Why do u cry before the UN and world media??

AFA we are concerned We have made a resolution fight till the last man is alive, be it the lone brave soilder or the coward enemy

Simply because many Pakistanis blow the bugle "1000 years of Muslim rule over Hindus" does not make it true. A large chunk of North India was ruled by the Mughals for maybe 300 years. People who have come to India have generally integrated well because we let people be - be they the Parsis, the Iranis, the Baghdadi Jews or the Tibetans.

 

[BS_Buster]

kashmir sovereign state not possible because by definition they are indians.



The Indian valley of Kashmir is named after Rishi Kashyapa.The Nilamata Purana describes the Valley’s origin from the waters; का Ka (“water&#8221 + शिमिरि Shimir (“to desiccate&#8221, hence, Kaashmir denotes “a land desiccated from water”. (The fact of Himaalaya (and the general region thereof) being raised out of ocean is known to science and hence the rest of the world only now, but was for ever known in India, and is part of Hindu legends, as the story about churning of oceans.)

An alternate nominal origin theory proposes that Kaashmir is a contraction of either Kashyap-mira or Kashyapmir or Kashyapmeru, denoting the “sea of Kashyapa” and the “mountain of Kashyapa”, eponyms of Kashyapa, the sageKashyapa credited with having drained the primordial Satisar lake that occupied the Kaashmir valley before he reclaimed it from the water. Considering the Valley an embodiment of the goddess Uma, the Nilamata Purana gives it the place-name Kaashmira, from which derives the contemporary Kashmir place-name. Nonetheless, the Kaashmiris colloquially use the place-name Kashir, which is phonetically derived from Kaashmir, as noted in the Aurel Stein introduction to the Rajatarangini metrical chronicle.

In the Rajatarangini, a history of Kashmir written by Kalhana in the 12th century, it is stated that the valley of Kaashmir was formerly a lake. This was drained by the great rishi or sage, Kashyapa, son of Marichi, son of Brahma, by cutting the gap in the hills at Baramulla (Varaha-mula). Cashmere is a variant spelling of Kaashmir.[9]

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

India seals off Kashmir to fend off fresh protest​

Published on Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 15:52

Police on Tuesday sealed off residential areas and reimposed a round-the-clock curfew in the Kashmir valley to pre-empt the first anti-India rally since authorities announced concessions to end violent protests.

A new protest with a wide following would have been interpreted as a setback for New Delhi's peace initiative launched three weeks ago and obliged the government to pursue other ways to deal with the unrest in the disputed region.


The hardline separatist leader in majority-Muslim Kashmir called on residents to defy the curfew and go into the streets.

Thousands of police and soldiers in riot gear patrolled deserted streets and told residents through loudspeakers to stay indoors.

"Authorities have decided to impose valley-wide strict curfew restrictions," a police statement said. "There are no reports of any untoward incident from anywhere so far."

At least 110 people have been killed since June, mostly by police bullets. The protests are the biggest since an armed revolt 1989 against Indian rule in the Himalayan region, which both India and Pakistan claim in full but rule in parts.

The recent wave of protests in Indian Kashmir subsided after New Delhi relaxed security in Srinagar, the summer capital, freed some 50 protesters, announced compensation for families of the dead and offered to talk to all political groups.

But many Kashmiris dismiss the offer as inadequate and hardline separatists said they would press on with protests.

Opinion surveys show a large majority of Kashmiris favour independence from the region from both India and Pakistan.

Over the past four months, the Kashmir valley has been in a siege-like state of strikes, protests and curfews. Shops have remained shut, along with most schools, and daily activities are subject to severe disruption.

Tuesday's rally had been called by Syed Ali Shah Geelani, a hardliner who has emerged as the leading figure in anti-Indian protests.

"In this situation, we have only two options: either surrender before Indian bullying, or uphold the sanctity of our sacrifices and struggle on till we achieve our goal," he said in a statement.

Tens of thousands have been killed in Kashmir since simmering discontent against Indian rule turned into a full-blown rebellion over two-decades ago.

India and Pakistan have fought two of their three wars since partition and independence in 1947 over the region.

India seals off Kashmir to fend off fresh protest - Reuters -

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Pakistani women hold anti-India rally​

Female activists hold anti-India protest in Islamabad on Monday

Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:4AM

Hundreds of Pakistani women have taken to the streets of Islamabad to protest against the ongoing violent police measures in Indian-administrated Kashmir.

"This gathering was just to show the world that we are Muslim and we are not terrorists, but we want Kashmir to be a part of Pakistan," a protester told Press TV.

Addressing the gathering on Monday, the speakers said that the Indian government can't suppress freedom movement in Kashmir by using force against the people.

"India has refused to implement the UN resolutions on Kashmir for the last 60 years. The international community and powerful countries are not ready to give the Kashmiris the right of self determination," said Syed Bilal, a member of Jamaat-e-Islami party.

Female activists of the party, wearing ribbons on their heads with a slogan against India, took part in the protest rally.

The Indian-administrated region has been hit by a wave of protests since June 11, when a 17-year old student was killed by a police teargas shell.

Since then, at least 110 people, mostly teenagers and students, have been killed by Indian security forces.

Kashmir is partially controlled by Pakistan and India though both countries have laid claims on the entire territory. This was the leading reason for two of the three wars between the two neighbors since gaining independence from Britain more than half a century ago.

Independence-seeking Kashmiris have fought for over 20 years against Delhi's rule in Indian-controlled Kashmir. They demand a referendum to determine the future of Kashmir themselves.

PressTV - Pakistani women hold anti-India rally

 

[Spring Onion]

Even the women are brain-washed.

Oh yeah thats why Kashmiri women came on roads with stones in hands to brave bullets fired by Indian terrorist army in occupied kashmir

 

[Hulk]

Excatly half of them do not know what is happening. Even things like CRPF men demolishing their picket is termed as Indian Army destroying Kashmiri home. They are constantly fed wrong information to make sure anti India feeling is cultivated.

 

[T-Faz]

Even the women are brain-washed.

Don't you have anything better to contribute than generalise everyone and flame the thread with your pointless one liner.

Take a break and I hope you can debate properly when you come back.

 

[Hulk]

Oh yeah thats why Kashmiri women came on roads with stones in hands to brave bullets fired by Indian terrorist army in occupied kashmir

Thats a different story, looking at their histroy they seems to have passion for protest. They use to protest before 1947 also. I feel it has more to do with mentality of people otherwise any sane person will not protest on accidental death caused by tear gas shell right?

If the situation in Kashmir is so bad then why like East Pakistan there is no migration at all. Also the same Kashmir has Jammu and Leh as well why their is only protest in valley? When others can love without peace so can people of valley too.

The fact is that they face these conditions due to their indulgence in militancy and anti national activities and not the other way round, which is proved by other areas having no such issue.

Also proved by no such issue before 1989, which means these started only after militancy, so it is fallout of militancy.

 

[somebozo]

2) Why NWFP is with Pakistan where political elected leader Mr Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan wants to join India?

Because it has not adjoining border with India and Mr Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan wasnt that popular enough either. Why is Junagarth with india which asked to join Pakistan??

 

[ambidex]

India is trying to Crush Kashmiri movement by force ​

TopNews
Written by KMS
Monday, 11 October 2010 13:13

Srinagar, October 11, 2010: APHC chairman, Syed Ali Shah Geelani, has said that India is trying to crush the Kashmiris’ struggle through use of brute force ahead of the US President, Barrack Obama’s visit to India.

Syed Ali Shah Geelani, in a statement issued in Srinagar, termed the attempt by the occupation authorities to quell the ongoing "Quite Kashmir Movement" forcefully as an effort to hoodwink the international community about the situation in the occupied territory.

He asked the people of Kashmir to keep united among their ranks to foil nefarious designs of the authorities to harm the movement. “Peace and stability in South Asia cannot prevail till the resolution of Kashmir dispute,” he added.

Appealing the people to make protest programme, announced by him as a part of "Quit Kashmir Movement", a success, Syed Ali Shah Geelani said that Kashmiris would continue their struggle for right of Self-Determination till its logical end. He said that if the puppet Chief Minister, Umar Abdullah, was sincere to his words then he should resign and join the pro-freedom camp.


Felicitating the Hajj aspirants, Syed Ali Shah Geelani said that they should say special prayers for success of the liberation movement in Occupied State of Jammu and Kashmir (OSJK).

“Sacrifices of the Kashmiri people have centre-staged the Kashmir dispute. International community understands that Kashmiris’ movement is an indigenous freedom struggle against Indian occupation,” he maintained.

The APHC leader, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq has expressed serious concern over the miserable plight of the illegally detained Kashmiris in various jails. In a statement issued in Srinagar he said, “The detainees are being treated inhumanely. They have been even denied medical care and their relatives are not allowed to meet them regularly.” He maintained that Kashmiris’ liberation struggle had been recognized at the international level and there was no justification in mistreating the pro-freedom leadership and Kashmiris in the jails. He appealed to the international human rights organizations to take cognizance of the matter.

Mirwaiz strongly denounced the restrictions imposed by the occupation authorities on Sunday to thwart an indoor session to mark the Prisoners’ Day. “I want to maintain that we had not to stage protests or take out procession but only organize a session to pay tributes to the prisoners. Putting curbs on our symbolic and peaceful programs clearly shows authorities’ frustration,” he added.

Umar Farooq pointed out that after the Lal Chowk march on Eid-ul-Fitr, the puppet administration had left no stone unturned to quell peaceful protests in the territory. He deplored that the present regime was helpless and had now confined to only curfews, restrictions, crackdowns and putting leaders under house arrest.


Senior Hurriyet leader and the Vice Chairman of Jammu and Kashmir Muslim League, Masarrat Aalam Butt, has said that the people of Kashmir will continue their just liberation struggle till its logical conclusion. Masarrat Aalam Butt in a statement issued in Srinagar appealed the people to take part in Hyderpora March in large numbers on Tuesday to free Syed Ali Shah Geelani, who is under illegal house arrest since Eid.

He warned the occupation authorities of massive agitation if they did not stop their oppressive tactics in the territory. Masarrat Aalam Butt said that the use of force could not deter Kashmiris’ resolve to get freedom from Indian bondage.

Calling India an uncivilized nation that had been enslaving Kashmiris for the past 63 years, he said that the occupation authorities were trying to suppress the liberation struggle through use of brute force.

The authorities have booked four persons under the black law, Public Safety Act (PSA) in Shopian district for participating in recent anti-India demonstrations. Four persons had been booked under Indian laws in the district. Those who have been booked under the Indian black laws include Mufti Wajib, Farooq Ahmed, Ayaz Ahmed and Shiraz. They have been lodged in Kathua jail.

A nine-month-old baby was critically injured after Indian troops beat him up in south Kashmir’s Islamabad town. Eyewitnesses told mediamen that Indian forces without any provocation barged into the house of Manzoor Ahmad Bhat, proprietor Manzoor Fabrics, in Khanabal and beat up all the inmates including women and children. They said that a nine-month-old baby, Asrar Manzoor, was critically injured as he was also hit with batons in his head while he was in his mother’s lap. Asrar was shifted to the district hospital, Islamabad.


The witnesses stated that Asrar’s seven-year-old brother, Arsalan Manzoor, also sustained grievous injuries after he was beaten ruthlessly by the troops.

People took to the streets in many areas of the town in protest against the incident. Indian police and troops used brute force to disperse the protesters injuring several persons.

Anti-India demonstrations were staged in Bemina, Chattabal, Batamaloo, Saida Kadal, Rainawari, Rajouri Kadal, Gojwara, Nund Reshi Colony, Nowpora, Khanyar, Pampore, Shopian, Pulwama, Kulgam, Sopore, Handwara and Baramulla areas. The occupation forces resorted to heavy baton charge and excessive teargas shelling to break up the demonstrations at many places. A civilian, Waseem Akbar Lone, resident of Chankhan in Sopore, was critically injured in the police action. He was shifted to sub-district hospital Sopore where from doctors referred him to Soura hospital in Srinagar. A youth was hit on his head by a teargas shell fired by the police in Baramulla. He was rushed to SHMS hospital where his condition was stated to be critical.

In Srinagar, Indian forces entered into many residential areas, damaged several vehicles, smashed windowpanes of residential houses and ransacked household goods.

India is trying to Crush Kashmiri movement by force

Another trash article by a Pakistani media web site.
The Author do not have the decency to write his name or credentials.

and

to the thread starter:

Do you have guts to make sad/angry faces on 8000 Baloch Gone Missing and Disappearance of a large number of Baloch women since 2005.

Balochistan: Behind an Iron Curtain - South Asia Intelligence Review

http://www.un.org/News/ossg/hilites/hilites_arch_view.asp?HighID=1285

Asked about reports concerning the disappearance and **** of men and women in the province of Balochistan, the Spokeswoman said that the Secretary-General was aware of the reports.

Pakistan and Pakistanis are well known for the force they are using to curb their own Muslims population.

Preach what you practice.

 

[DGMO]

"but we want Kashmir to be a part of Pakistan,"

And I want a beachfront property in the Bahamas, but then I also have to be realistic and see if it's possible. The answer (sadly) is no.

To Indian members, before you indulge in giving this credence and this spirals into a flame war, please note that this is a 'hundred or so' in a country of 170million.

The people of Pakistan have bigger fish to fry than Kashmir at the moment. It doesn't mean that we don't care about their suffering, but we have too many problems for Kashmir to figure at the top of the list.

Press TV may have given this some coverage, but I can assure you that this isn't the main news on Pakistani channels.

It's their right to protest, but we all know the impact is zero. If they protested about the alleged stoning of that woman in Orakzai recently, it would be time better served IMO.

 

[Hulk]

Don't you have anything better to contribute than generalise everyone and flame the thread with your pointless one liner.

Take a break and I hope you can debate properly when you come back.

Sorry T-Faz but brain washing plays important contribution in all this, is it not true that many incidence where Army is not even involved is blamed on Army.

Do you know that in all the incidences happened after June army was not at all involved but it is blamed on Army.

There are countless times when J&K police does something but blamed on Army.

My point being how many times it is incorrectly blamed on Army and this is done deliberatly to misguide common man and arose anti India feelings.

 

[Hulk]

everyone knows knows whats goin on in Kashmir, what the hell are you smoking??

Everyone knows what has been fed. Just few days back someone posted a picture where CRPF was destroying its own picket as Indian atrocity. This shows how much people know.

 

[T-Faz]

Sorry T-Faz but brain washing plays important contribution in all this, is it not true that many incidence where Army is not even involved is blamed on Army.

Do you know that in all the incidences happened after June army was not at all involved but it is blamed on Army.

There are countless times when J&K police does something but blamed on Army.

My point being how many times it is incorrectly blamed on Army and this is done deliberatly to misguide common man and arose anti India feelings.

It is completely stupendous to link an unrelated matter with the article in question. First of all, the article does not mention army even once throughout it's breadth so why bring that into this discussion and derail it.

Secondly, you are assuming that all the women from a minuscule percent represents the mindset of all women in Pakistan. Majority do not even care and the women depicted in these pictures are clearly from some Islamic group.

I can clearly state that Indians are brainwashed into thinking that all pakistani's are brainwashed but I know better and I can think rationally when I am commenting on an issue.

 

[Spring Onion]

Excatly half of them do not know what is happening. Even things like CRPF men demolishing their picket is termed as Indian Army destroying Kashmiri home. They are constantly fed wrong information to make sure anti India feeling is cultivated.

If my countrymen are on salary of TTP there is NO difference for me between them and the terrorists. similarly who's orders are CRPF people acting upon other than Occupier Indian Army and Occupier Indian Govt.


There is NO wrong information. The bullets from Indian terrorist army in Kashmir and their hired puppet CRPF are killing Kashmiris alike and this day light murder of Kashmiris is a clear loud fact which is has brought Kashmir Struggle to a New intifada where Women Children and Youth have made it to streets and roads in protest.