Christian priests and their supportive monarchy which were the ones who persecuted the Jews and gave them the choice to either convert to Christianity or be tortured to death.
In many places in the Indian subcontinent, Muslims did the same thing against the Hindus. They also did the same thing with Zoroastrians in Persia.
3. "Afghanistan is now cleansed of Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs"... Sad of course
Yes, very sad lol.
Sikhism also came about to counter the wrong elements of Hindu society. Guru Nanak made a pilgrimage to Mecca too.
Nope, Guru Nanak didn't make any Mecca pilgrimage. Please get your facts correct. Sikhism was also established to counter the wrong elements of Muslim society since that was one of the dominant faith in Punjab.
From the Hare Krishna people to "Sadhguru", all these are missionaries to reach India and abroad other than being arms of the Hindutvadis.
All Muslim preachers in India are the arms of ISIS and Wahabbism who want to eventually impose Shariah.
I mentioned just one film, Ram Ke Naam, and mentioned it because you were legitimizing Agnihotri's film so I extended the argument and spoke of a much older film - from 30 years ago - which was about the Hindutvadis so you please give your opinion.
Why do you want to go 30 years back? We have also made a film called 'PK'. I would like to imagine what would have happened if the same mocking would have occurred with the Muslim religion. Oh yes, something like that already occurred and the owner of the Charlie Hebdo magazine was murdered.
1. Well, though you have not said to me explicitly that you are against casteism I knew you are against it that is why I tagged you here to see what kind of views and acts exist in India even in 2022.
We have debated on this already.
2. I glanced through the document and it may have been me hurrying through it but the laws certainly did not incite fear into @Sharma Ji when he wanted to project his 3000-year-old oppressive ways and ended up saying "He must be a chamar" as a slur. Umar Khalid is in jail, Kobad Ghandy was in jail and Stan Swamy died in jail but Sharma Ji is not punished one day after he used that slur and put ha ha react on me questioning him on that ? What use of such a law then in Sharma's context and in context of that Karnataka village whose elders and priests imposed 25,000 rupees fine on a Dalit family whose two-year-old child walking into a temple and in context of a Dalit police officer whose wedding procession in Gujarat I think ( "Vibrant Gujarat" according to Dear Leader ) had to be protected by his police colleagues because of threat of upper caste villagers stoning the procession.
But there have been multiple incidents where the upper castes have been punished. Why not highlights those as well? Or are you saying upper castes have always got off?
3. While idol worship is irrational especially to me as a Communist Muslim I agree with you that those Muslims who deride Hindus as "Dirty" and "Cow piss drinkers" are being no less anti-human, irrational and casteist as Sharma Ji who said "He must be a chamar" as a slur.
What's the objective of worship? Inner peace, right? So who the hell are you to tell idol worshipping is irrational or not. Feel free to criticize other aspects such as casteism but idol worshipping is not something which should be criticized. The person has full freedom in the way he wants to worship as long as it doesn't cause harm to others. I see so many stupid Muslims who think Islam is superior just because there's no idol worship (even Hinduism has monotheism as one of its schools of thought way before Islam), that's such an illogical way of thinking. It also gives a good indication of what Muslims actually think about Hindus, not very different from how upper castes who believe in casteism thinking about lower castes.
4. It is not that "All Hindus" burned the Manusmriti but it was Ambedkar and his comrades specifically who did that.
And that was in 1927. Do you think if Dalit leaders like Jignesh Mevani and Chandrashekhar Azad did it now they will not be lynched or at least have 50 court cases lodged against them by the Hindutvadis and in various parts of the country to exhaust those two completely ?
That's still a substantial amount. Now imagine the same thing happening with your 'holy' book.
5. The Quran is primarily a guide book to develop a simple, progressive, rational and humane society politically and socio-economically to the extent possible by some 1400 years ago, whether in terms of creating
the first codified rights for the female in marriage which others later derived from or
having a just inheritance law or in how generally the socio-economic system should be run for example on an interest-less basis which if in India had been applied then those 350,000+ farmers who suicided just between 1995 and 2015, would not have done so.
But there are some ritualist parts to Islam and some confrontational with regards to other existing religious communities and if these two are disregarded or discarded then the essence of real Islam still remains and this won't be apparent to you if you cast an unthoughtful glance at many of today's Indian Muslims with their silly, oppressive and non-Islamci dress codes and anti-Islamic anti-intellectual behavior, self-ghettoization and self-otherization.
A few decades ago Muslims were led by intellectuals and revolutionaries but unfortunately now many are led by mullahs who enable irrationalties like "World Hijab Day". It is now for the intellectuals and revolutionaries to take back leadership of Muslims and meld their actually progressive religion ( when many others were regressive and oppressive ) into modern Communism because that is natural and Hindus should also participate in this melding since Hinduism has one wonderful concept : Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam ( "The wold is one family" ), which thus should not prevent Hindus from uniting under a common human umbella with Communists, real Muslims, Sikhs and Christians.
Good to see you atleast acknowledging that there's a problem with some aspects of it (there are many that I can think of actually). That's a good start, we need more Muslims like you who wants reforms in their religion. And we also need Hindus who reject casteism in Hinduism. But this can't just go one way where only one religion is criticized.
6. The Manusmiriti has to be rejected completely since its political and socio-economic ideas are largely anti-human and irrational but since you say there was some nice thoughts in it can you please post here what those are ? And even then those thoughts can be incorporated into a new ideology that derives from the good of all ideologies which I wrote in point# 5.
Fathers, brothers, husbands, and brothers-in-laws who wish for great good fortune should revere women and adorn them 3-55
The gods delight in places where women are respected, but where women are not honoured all rites are fruitless 3-56
For by punishing the wicked and by favouring the virtous, kings are constantly sanctified, just as twice born men by sacrifices. 8-311
Unless one is asked, one must not explain anything to anybody, nor must one answer a person who asks improperly; let a wise man though he knows the answer behave among men as if he were an idiot 2-110
Even from poison nectar may be taken, even from a child good advice, even from a foe good conduct and even from impure substance gold (2-239).
6. I watched the trailer and the questions of the man were nice but was confused by the tagline "Find your faith". Please elaborate.
You should watch the movie for that.
