jamahir
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1. You mentioned Jews but only mentioned their alleged persecution by Muslims in the "Middle East" yet you didn't mention that when Muslims ruled parts of Europe for close to eight hundred years the Jews formed a respected part of the Muslim dominion there and when the Christian priests of Europe brought in the Dark Ages it was the European Christian priests and their supportive monarchy which were the ones who persecuted the Jews and gave them the choice to either convert to Christianity or be tortured to death. Many Jews, when they could, chose another option. When the Muslim rule there ended in 1492 many Jews chose to migrate to the same "Middle East" ( West Asia and Muslim-majority Africa ) that you deride. We have a Moroccan Jew on the forum - @Trench Broom - who unfortunately is now a Zionist despite the synergistic Muslim-Jewish past.
2. "India did not invite anyone to come and impose their religion here". India existed even before the Aryan incursion in 1000 BC and no one in that India invited the Aryans too to come into India and impose their religion.
3. "Afghanistan is now cleansed of Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs"... Sad of course and I will not judge if they had or had not participated in the Communist activism of earlier decades in Afghanistan because I don't have that information but let us also acknowledge that in India the Hindutvadis have had a program of Hindu Rashtra for a long time, right from the days of Savarkar and co. and just last December that took a bit more strident turn through the Dharm Sansad in Haridwar calling for an ethnic cleansing of Muslims from India starting with two million. And none of the participants have been punished. In fact a senior police officer was seen having a gregarious laugh with the leaders of that conference in the days after it.
No. Sikhism also came about to counter the wrong elements of Hindu society. Guru Nanak made a pilgrimage to Mecca too.
Please don't pretend. From the Hare Krishna people to "Sadhguru", all these are missionaries to reach India and abroad other than being arms of the Hindutvadis.
Please read above.
Like Joe Shearer said, what about the Ghar Wapsi program ?
So do you think the priests will not insist on some shuddhikaran during the Ghar Wapsi ceremony ?
I mentioned just one film, Ram Ke Naam, and mentioned it because you were legitimizing Agnihotri's film so I extended the argument and spoke of a much older film - from 30 years ago - which was about the Hindutvadis so you please give your opinion.
And this cause you speak of is nothing but an unfortunate though needless conflict created by existence of an artificial concept called Nation State which is maintained by two entities ( India and Pakistan ) whose existence came into being through some people who, some early and some later, didn't think enough to realize the common development of the Subcontinent through progressive political and socio-economic revolution even though there were progressives present then. Please read the below solution of mine for Kashmir. At one time Musharraf tried to resolve it for the immediate scale. I propose one for a longer term that encompasses the wider development of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh :
A political solution for Kashmir and lasting peace for India and Pakistan
A political solution for Kashmir and lasting peace for India and Pakistan Written by: Jamahir Category cloud: Opinion, analysis India and Pakistan need to settle the long, sad but frankly immature dispute over Kashmir once and for all. Peacefully and politically. Both have similar social...
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Humans, whether Hindus or Muslims or Jews or any other older community, have the right to exist in Kashmir or any corner of the world and in the universe generally as long as they stand to the test of rationality, empathy, non-criminality, evolved behavior with other humans and with other elements of Nature, other such things.
Hindus have lived in Kashmir preceding Muslims and it is certain that others lived in Kashmir preceding Hindus so there is no rational reason for Hindus not to be in Kashmir now. There are Kashmiri Sikhs too and I must inform you that during the pre-Partition rule in Kashmir of the Dogra king Hari Singh the now-famous landmark in Srinagar was named Lal Chowk by Muslim and Sikhs inspired by the Red Square in Communist Moscow in their agitation against the king. Now I can be ruthless and say that the Kashmiri followers of these particular Muslim and Sikh Communists have more say in the Kashmir matter than you sitting in Pakistan but I will instead invite you to speak on Kashmir and any other human matter if you speak with rationality, calmly and at system-level. We should speak for solutions, not look at perpetuating problems and issues like the Kashmir one for the next 70 years.
Tell me, why is Modi government talking of ending the AFSPA law in Nagaland but not in Kashmir ? In Nagaland too the military is deployed.
1. Well, though you have not said to me explicitly that you are against casteism I knew you are against it that is why I tagged you here to see what kind of views and acts exist in India even in 2022.
2. I glanced through the document and it may have been me hurrying through it but the laws certainly did not incite fear into @Sharma Ji when he wanted to project his 3000-year-old oppressive ways and ended up saying "He must be a chamar" as a slur. Umar Khalid is in jail, Kobad Ghandy was in jail and Stan Swamy died in jail but Sharma Ji is not punished one day after he used that slur and put ha ha react on me questioning him on that ? What use of such a law then in Sharma's context and in context of that Karnataka village whose elders and priests imposed 25,000 rupees fine on a Dalit family whose two-year-old child walking into a temple and in context of a Dalit police officer whose wedding procession in Gujarat I think ( "Vibrant Gujarat" according to Dear Leader ) had to be protected by his police colleagues because of threat of upper caste villagers stoning the procession.
3. While idol worship is irrational especially to me as a Communist Muslim I agree with you that those Muslims who deride Hindus as "Dirty" and "Cow piss drinkers" are being no less anti-human, irrational and casteist as Sharma Ji who said "He must be a chamar" as a slur.
4. It is not that "All Hindus" burned the Manusmriti but it was Ambedkar and his comrades specifically who did that.
And that was in 1927. Do you think if Dalit leaders like Jignesh Mevani and Chandrashekhar Azad did it now they will not be lynched or at least have 50 court cases lodged against them by the Hindutvadis and in various parts of the country to exhaust those two completely ? 5. The Quran is primarily a guide book to develop a simple, progressive, rational and humane society politically and socio-economically to the extent possible by some 1400 years ago, whether in terms of creating the first codified rights for the female in marriage which others later derived from or having a just inheritance law or in how generally the socio-economic system should be run for example on an interest-less basis which if in India had been applied then those 350,000+ farmers who suicided just between 1995 and 2015, would not have done so.
But there are some ritualist parts to Islam and some confrontational with regards to other existing religious communities and if these two are disregarded or discarded then the essence of real Islam still remains and this won't be apparent to you if you cast an unthoughtful glance at many of today's Indian Muslims with their silly, oppressive and non-Islamci dress codes and anti-Islamic anti-intellectual behavior, self-ghettoization and self-otherization. A few decades ago Muslims were led by intellectuals and revolutionaries but unfortunately now many are led by mullahs who enable irrationalties like "World Hijab Day". It is now for the intellectuals and revolutionaries to take back leadership of Muslims and meld their actually progressive religion ( when many others were regressive and oppressive ) into modern Communism because that is natural and Hindus should also participate in this melding since Hinduism has one wonderful concept : Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam ( "The wold is one family" ), which thus should not prevent Hindus from uniting under a common human umbella with Communists, real Muslims, Sikhs and Christians.6. The Manusmiriti has to be rejected completely since its political and socio-economic ideas are largely anti-human and irrational but since you say there was some nice thoughts in it can you please post here what those are ? And even then those thoughts can be incorporated into a new ideology that derives from the good of all ideologies which I wrote in point# 5.
6. I watched the trailer and the questions of the man were nice but was confused by the tagline "Find your faith". Please elaborate.
