Kashmir: Declare Ahmadis non-Muslims: Grand Mufti

[miss]

first we need to solve the kashmir problem.. give independence to kashmir valley, GB and P0K . the topic is over.
only then kashmiris will knot the greatness of india (if you have nevre been out in the hot sun, you wont know the importance of shade). then pak will also realise how vulnerable they are after IWT is scrapped and Kashmir takes up most of the water for themselves and the chenab that runs in jammu will go fully to India.

 

[clmeta]

In India anyone who calls onseself Muslim is a muslim. Whats the rule in your country???? The jihadis conduct some certification for it?????

In that case you will not be a muslim.... calling yourself one wont make you one ......

 

[yyetttt]

Finally I think that GOD is more powerful than mohammad or ahmad, and can override mohammads word and send another prophet IF She chooses to.

Hey you don't talk BS it says in Quran, Muhammad PBUH word is Allah's word... So if you disrespect Muhammad PBUH you are disrespecting Allah that is what Ahmadi's are doing

You sit in the US demand freedom of religion for yourself and then espouse hate bigoted speech about other sects in other countries.

How is it bigoted speech? All I'm saying is that they are not Muslims... They are free to practuce thier religion but just don't call yourself Muslim

 

[clmeta]

Dude there several Islamic schools of thought. Some people call those who to go mazars as kaffir. Some can call you a kaffir. It is for a person to decide his beliefs. Not the government.

Religion does not boundry related..... As a muslim if you will bow infront of anyone other than Allah you are doing shirk and you are not muslim..... You calling yourself muslim sure give the idea how minority view and religion are being manipulated and the basic spirit of Islam being torn... I dont want to go deep into this because my reply can hurt hindu religion followers and i am trying to avoid that.... And i expect the same.... If you dont know about religion Islam dont discuss it.....For the starters You are not a muslim if you dont believe and act as per first kalma


@ Austerlitz....

You are calling a religious belief "Bakwass"....

 

[JayAtl]

How is it bigoted speech? All I'm saying is that they are not Muslims... They are free to practuce thier religion but just don't call yourself Muslim

you are not a Muslim to judge others. the day you follow your religion with the purity you claim they need to have--- we can talk.

 

[clmeta]

If a muslim drinks alchohol then is he a muslim??? If a muslim woman wears a bikiny then is she a muslim?????
Muslims keep on fighting to decide who is muslim who is not. taliban, ttp, wahabis everybody have even killed whom they regard munafiqs etc. some say shia's are non muslims. in a secular country, the govt has no right to say to someone (who calls himself muslim) that you're non muslim. so to hell with this mufti.

Why people dont understand that Islam is not their property. You must follow a certain set of principles to become a Muslim and if you dont then you are a non-Muslim. Ahmadis dont follow so they are non-Muslims

God forbid, but if someone calls your loved one a deviator and bestows torture on him how will you feel. Make sure you are on the right path. Don't force your path on others. There is a lot of variety in Muslims too. If everybody starts imposing his interpretation of the light then you'll have chaos everywhere.

It is not for the State but the community itself to deal with the "deviaters" as enjoined in The Holy Quo'ran. A good example is Afghanistan pre-1947. The Ulema had decided not to refer this issue to the Shah. Instead they selected a single day when all "deviaters" were eliminated in the kingdom and the tribal belt. The Holy Quo'ran,which a Muslim must follow to the letter, has given clear direction declaring that the life and property of "the one who has turned away" is to be forfeited.

 

[miss]

Hey you don't talk BS it says in Quran, Muhammad PBUH word is Allah's word... So if you disrespect Muhammad PBUH you are disrespecting Allah that is what Ahmadi's are doing

How is it bigoted speech? All I'm saying is that they are not Muslims... They are free to practuce thier religion but just don't call yourself Muslim

So God wants to change Her mind , she can do that and send another prophet rigth? or are you saying that God is so powerlesss that she cant do what she wants?

 

[clmeta]

Exactly bro. Who is somebody else to decide whether someone is a mulism or not. Some nutcase Mullah could say tomorrow any woman has ever gone out without a burqa is a non muslim. So goverment will go and do a survey and decide this????
Nonsense.

Shias are openly and regularly being killed in numbers in Pakistan apparently by religious outfits supported by the state. How can you consider Shias as Muslims when your own prominent Mullahs consider them as non-Muslim and some even consider them worthy of killing? Even Darulaoom Deoband issued fatwa against Shias. Are you going to decide what is right, religiously speaking, or the ulema?



There are numerous fatwas available by prominent Ulema calling each other non-Muslim and what not. Start with this which was bit less vulgar than many other fatwas available.

fatwa, deobandi kafir, brelvi kafir, ahle hadith kafir, kuttay, wahabi



Deobandi fatwa declaring Brelvis and Ahl-e-Hadith people devoid of faith ie non-Muslims.

 

[yyetttt]

So God wants to change Her mind , she can do that and send another prophet rigth? or are you saying that God is so powerlesss that she cant do what she wants?

Says in Quran only that Muhammad PBUH is last prophet... Allah made Quran... Now Allah can only judge us when Judgement Day comes, Isa Nabi (Jesus) 2nd rising will tell and angel blowing the horn that signals end of the world

LAST holy BOOK that wasn't changed is Quran all other religious book (bible and torah) were changed and written all over

 

[clmeta]

Ahmedis were idiots for having supported Pakistan. They deserve it in Pakistan. Fought for a Muslim country that declared them non muslim.

Don't get angry if I state the obvious. What is happening in Pakistan and other places, these sectarian killings is unfortunate and must stop. I am just an individual expressing my opinion, that is how significant it is, nothing more nothing less.

Why I comment on this issue, because we also have Ahmadi/Qadiani in Bangladesh and there was extremist Mullah's trying to harass them which I will never support. But declaring them non-Muslim which is actually true, is a way to not allow Ahmadi's to gain convert among unsuspecting simple common folks.

talk about your belief not 1.6 billion muslims

I agree with you there, I do not believe in religious states either. Secular is better. But people should decide that using their democratic will, it should not be imposed from outside.



Use logic my friend, Muslims reading this thread know what I am talking about. Majority Muslims would agree to what I said, Sunni or Shia.



From what I know, your opinion above is not correct, because almost all of 1.6 billion Muslims believe that the prophet was the last prophet and anyone denying that may not be a Muslim. But I will let more expert scholars (Ulama) on Islam decide that.

 

[punit]

grand mufti shoul be renamed gandu mufti.
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whether a muslim( OR ANY RELIGION) calling himself to be a muslim is a real muslim or not is something something to be judged only by the creator. STATE Or mullah cant intervene here.

 

[clmeta]

Nobody can decide who is a muslim who is not. There are many people who say shias are non muslims. But if they think they are muslims they are. So are sunnis, barelvis, alawites, hashemites, wahabis, salafis , deobandis everyone. What i said holds true in India. I don't care who is calling whom a muslim in Pakistan.

What da fck? Shia's and other sects of Islam are Muslims because they believe that Allah is only God and Muhammad PBUH is his messenger and last prophet while Ahmadi's are not considered Muslim because they don't consider Muhammad PBUH as Allah's last prophet, they consider some random guy born in Indian Punjab.

Yes we dont understand and we don't care. According to us Ahmedis are Muslims okay??
Btw can you take that mufti. That nutcase doesn't fit in India.

WOOOPS...

WHAT U INDIANS DO NOT UNDERSTAND.... Ahmadi's are not Muslim because they don't believe Muhammad PBUH is last prophet that's it

 

[miss]

Says in Quran only that Muhammad PBUH is last prophet... Allah made Quran... Now Allah can only judge us when Judgement Day comes, Isa Nabi (Jesus) 2nd rising will tell and angel blowing the horn that signals end of the world

LAST holy BOOK that wasn't changed is Quran all other religious book (bible and torah) were changed and written all over

quran saya a lot of things you guys dont follow. but the important thing is the 5 pillar.. which does not have this clause. matters in quran are optional.

 

[punit]

will the buck stop here? today ahmedis next shia , then barelvi etc etc ..

Shia's are 100% Muslims, not like non-Muslim Ahmadi's.

tell that to the REAL muslim hell bent on killing them..

 

[yyetttt]

quran saya a lot of things you guys dont follow. but the important thing is the 5 pillar.. which does not have this clause. matters in quran are optional.

5 pillars of Islam is from the Quran, dumb. Quran's teaching's are first, then Hadith.


Of course we don't follow everything in the Quran. Quran doesn't stress out Muslims to leave everything and only focus about prayers... Quran also tell Muslims to have fun to seek knowledge. That's why we had best professors in the world.... Algebra, math, science was all founded by Islam... We already knew that Jupiter had moons and Earth was revolving before Galilleo

will the buck stop here? today ahmedis next shia , then barelvi etc etc ..



tell that to the REAL muslim hell bent on killing them..

Kid I was born in a Sunni religious village in Balochistan. Everyone in the village knew we were Shia yet they never acted biased to me... So stop with your BS.