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Some would regard that as using human shields..........:tdown:

Sword9,

I agree with Keyserose on this issue, If you proposely used People as human shields during clashes in J&K, I think its sad and bad precedent. I am sure IA doesnt authourize it.

Adu
 
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Oh my god..........I am sorry but how the hell can you type that with a clear conscious? "summary executions" somehow don't strike me as being in any way legal. And I KNOW the security forces will screw things like that up on a regular basis.
Because that is the ugly truth. It happens, it has happened in every army, F_ups take place and those caught have the book thrown at them.
There are many who have been court-martialed and cashiered.
As for the torture part lets not pull any punches here.......we both know what will happen........
I am not I just wanted to give him (Baazi) a brief picture of how it is done. Torture is used for the most hardened militants. The small fry yap at the drop of a hat. The odd innocent do get their unfair share of treatment, till they are let go.
 
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Some would regard that as using human shields..........:tdown:
keysersoze/ Adux
Its not the same thing, its check mating the guerillas tactics.

Countering militants who have no qualms is not for a bed of roses.:rolleyes:
 
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Ok this is from Amnesty International.......


In the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, an estimated 8,000- 10,000 enforced disappearances have been reported since 1989. While fewer new cases are reported now, there is still no information about past cases.
There is no way of telling how many of them ran away to Pakistani Kashmir, or how many were killed by security forces or how many by militants.
 
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Although politically motivated violence has slightly decreased in Jammu and Kashmir, torture, deaths in custody and "disappearances" continue to be reported. At least 38 people are reported to have died in custody in 2005.

The vast majority of survivors of targeted killings and sexual violence in Gujarat in 2002 - most of them Muslim - have still not received justice and reparations for these crimes, some of which amount to crimes against humanity. In December 2005 a mass grave containing the remains of the victims was found. In February 2006, in a key case relating to the violence, nine persons were convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment. Amnesty International continues to receive reports of harassment of human rights defenders and the social and economic boycotting of the Muslim minority in Gujarat particularly after criminal convictions.

Members of the security forces continue to enjoy impunity for human rights violations. Nine years after the "disappearance" and killing of human rights lawyer Jalil Andrabi in Srinagar, Jammu and Kashmir, an army major identified as responsible by a special investigation team has still not been brought to justice. In Punjab, police officers responsible for serious human rights violations in the mid-1990s continue to evade justice, despite the recommendations of several judicial inquiries and commissions.

Human rights defenders in many parts of the country continue to be harassed and attacked, including activists working on behalf of socially and economically marginalized communities. At least 77 people were sentenced to death in 2005; however, no executions took place. There is no comprehensive information on the number of people under sentence of death in each state. The central and state governments do not publish any information on the number of people under the sentence of death.

Although the Prevention of Terrorism Act (POTA) was repealed more than a year ago, the cases of those held under the Act have not yet been fully reviewed, and some state governments have yet to take action on the recommendations by the judicial committee reviewing the cases. Human rights organizations have expressed concern over amendments made to the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act and state-level acts (especially in Chattisgarh state) which grant special powers to the state, similar to those previously provided by the POTA.

Amnesty International

So what...
 
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fake encounters have happened, people who have done it has been caught and when found guilty by a court, has been punished. Its there in the media and its been discussed everywhere.

And its a shame and shouldnt happen.
 
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Ok this is from Amnesty International.......


In the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, an estimated 8,000- 10,000 enforced disappearances have been reported since 1989. While fewer new cases are reported now, there is still no information about past cases.

Its not a special case that has to do anything with Kashmir or Indian forces.

40 odd kids went missing from on street near Delhi and was killed by a residents who lives in that very state, nobody did a damn thing when the complaints where filed for missing kids.

And there are '000s if not 00,000's of such cases in India, and that has to do with the inefficiency of policing.
 
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Sword9,

I agree with Keyserose on this issue, If you proposely used People as human shields during clashes in J&K, I think its sad and bad precedent. I am sure IA doesnt authourize it.

Adu

Why? They hide like scared pigs and kill our own , this is a harmless way to save lives. By giving kids a lift the army can get a chance to interact with the locals also.
 
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fake encounters have happened, people who have done it has been caught and when found guilty by a court, has been punished. Its there in the media and its been discussed everywhere.

And its a shame and shouldnt happen.

Thousands of ppl have died in held Kashmir so far. so many fake encounters have taken place. u want me to believe, all the ones responsible for this crime have been arrested. :confused:
 
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i say use torture or extreme methods on only those who are CONFIRMED terrorists. We cannot be light on these people. Bu yes, care must be taken to avoid getting grain mixed with the chaff. The authorities should first take good steps to verify the identities of such people.

But once found, torture them, spare nothing. They kill our women and children in the name of their cause. They deserve no sympathy. One of the people i knew was in Kashmir, and he got injured by the shrapnel that came from a grenade explosion. He is in IA. They shot the b*stard right in the head and then burned the building. I say way to go.
 
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Because that is the ugly truth. It happens, it has happened in every army, F_ups take place and those caught have the book thrown at them.

I am not I just wanted to give him (Baazi) a brief picture of how it is done. Torture is used for the most hardened militants. The small fry yap at the drop of a hat. The odd innocent do get their unfair share of treatment, till they are let go.

Well yes everytime you F-up you create more opponents. That's why it's still going on.......

Oh and I have seen true professionals at work........They don't torture, they know it is counter productive. Creating more enemies for yourself is not smart.

Also on a side note did you change what I wrote in the quote? as it seems not to appear before?
 
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keysersoze/ Adux
Its not the same thing, its check mating the guerillas tactics.

Countering militants who have no qualms is not for a bed of roses.:rolleyes:

Well don't make any judgements of the morals of others if you risk the lives of kids in order to save yourselves.
 
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There is no way of telling how many of them ran away to Pakistani Kashmir, or how many were killed by security forces or how many by militants.

This is a nice "reality" for you, but the "enforced" part should indicate what Amnesty meant when they wrote the article.
 
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How is it counter productive? Get a known terrorist. Bleed him, make him experience pain, and then get him for trials in an anti-terrorist court, wham, life imprisonment. Why does any1 need to know anything?
 
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