Karzai says India is friend, but, Pak twin brother

[Windjammer]

Nothing like tempting...I think i had couple of discussions with you in the past on different topic...Just read a reply from you which i think was not justified/correct so shared my opinion...Did not take into account to what you replied bcoz kind of believe two wrongs don't make it right...Anyways just ignore my message and continue with your discussion....

My dear, I believe healthy discussions are good for knowledge enhancement, one should have a debate and move on to next day.
Although i can not recall, but hope our past discussions were in good spirit. However i surely regard your concern. peace.

 

[Creder]

Any reason for saying that ... cut out is relatively a strong expression. But I haven't heard anything from Karzai or the Indian side. Are we not getting ahead of ourselves here ?

Till date, no proof in any form that is verifiable is presented on any platform by Pakistan. Just my 2 cents.

All of the above was for 'if' a deal between Taliban and afghan government is in the works.. And yes cut out, it's a matter of national security for us there can be no compromise..India's presence in Afghanistan poses a threat for us, unless that is dealt with there can be no peace anywhere.. As far as proof of India's war is concerned sir you and I both know it's true, you know it and you might deny it just because we are on forums but you and I both know reality.. CIA has confirmed India's proxy war

 

[ramu]

All of the above was for 'if' a deal between Taliban and afghan government is in the works.. And yes cut out, it's a matter of national security for us there can be no compromise..India's presence in Afghanistan poses a threat for us, unless that is dealt with there can be no peace anywhere.. As far as proof of India's war is concerned sir you and I both know it's true, you know it and you might deny it just because we are on forums but you and I both know reality.. CIA has confirmed India's proxy war

sounds good... All I ask for is one credible link.

BTW, Karzai had made a media briefing about the involvement of ISI in Indian embassy bombing.

 

[Iron_Eagle_17]

America definately holds the life line of karzai but if Pakistan pushes for someone else and uses it's contacts with the Taliban to get apolitical foothold it will succeed without any doubt. The recent arrest of the shadow governors is something that baffels karzai and therefore this sweet talk.
Just my 2 cent.

 

[Creder]

sounds good... All I ask for is one credible link.

BTW, Karzai had made a media briefing about the involvement of ISI in Indian embassy bombing.

Can the intel community defuse India-Pakistan tensions? | The Cable

The former intelligence official strongly supported the regional approach to Afghanistan suggested by US special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke. "Afghanistan is a classic power vacuum," the former official said. "Neighbors see it as point of instability to guarantee their own stability or an opportunity to score points."

While the U.S. media has frequently reported on Pakistani ties to jihadi elements launching attacks in Afghanistan, it has less often mentioned that India supports insurgent forces attacking Pakistan, the former intelligence official said. "The Indians are up to their necks in supporting the Taliban against the Pakistani government in Afghanistan and Pakistan," the former intelligence official who served in both countries said. "The same anti-Pakistani forces in Afghanistan also shooting at American soldiers are getting support from India. India should close its diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan and get the Christ out of there."

"None of this is ever one-sided," he added. "That is why it was so devastating and we were so let down" when India got taken out of Holbrooke's official brief.

 

[ramu]

^^^^^^^
I will post the last part of the article for you.

UPDATE: A Washington South Asia expert, among others, wrote to dispute the allegation made by a former U.S. intelligence official cited in the piece that India is aiding the Taliban, although he said such support may be going to other anti-Pakistan insurgent groups. "It doesn't square with my observations/sources, even though lots of Pakistanis will say it is true," one said. "The Indians have - by many accounts - had a longstanding connection with Baluch nationalists/separatists in Pakistan, but these are not Taliban and they aren't active in Afghanistan fighting against US/NATO forces. So yes, India gives Pakistan grief (as Pakistan has in India), but I've seen no evidence that it comes from Pakistani or Afghan Taliban.

"As for the consulates, that's a regular refrain from Pakistani government and military," the expert added, "but there's very little US evidence to support the claims of major Indian activity in these locations, which appear to be minor operations with rather few personnel." The former U.S. intelligence officer who made the allegation said that U.S. policymakers do not require the U.S. government to collect intelligence on the issue.

 

[sur]

Karzai says India is friend, but, Pak twin brother​

آتى ھے چاھِ يوسف سے صدا
دوست يھاں تھوڑے ھيں اور بھاءۍ بھت

 

[Kompromat]

 

[Creder]

^^^^^^^
I will post the last part of the article for you.

UPDATE: A Washington South Asia expert, among others, wrote to dispute the allegation made by a former U.S. intelligence official cited in the piece that India is aiding the Taliban, although he said such support may be going to other anti-Pakistan insurgent groups. "It doesn't square with my observations/sources, even though lots of Pakistanis will say it is true," one said. "The Indians have - by many accounts - had a longstanding connection with Baluch nationalists/separatists in Pakistan, but these are not Taliban and they aren't active in Afghanistan fighting against US/NATO forces. So yes, India gives Pakistan grief (as Pakistan has in India), but I've seen no evidence that it comes from Pakistani or Afghan Taliban.

"As for the consulates, that's a regular refrain from Pakistani government and military," the expert added, "but there's very little US evidence to support the claims of major Indian activity in these locations, which appear to be minor operations with rather few personnel." The former U.S. intelligence officer who made the allegation said that U.S. policymakers do not require the U.S. government to collect intelligence on the issue.

I quoted an 'intelligence official' your soure is a random expert who is presumably on india's lobbying payroll to refute that.. you know the ground reality as well as I do, denying it here just to put up a fake pretense is a waste of my time and yours.

 

[Kompromat]

Read the Last words Carefully !!

 

[Peshwa]

Try me, They say a frog in a well is astonished at the size of the ocean.

Now tell me you understood that..??

Lets see.....

India is a natural leader as far as the subcontinent goes.....Whether it be size...population..economy...armed forces....technology....name it and we lead in it.....our smaller neighbors will look up to us because of who we are.....we dont need to intimidate....Its not easy being the big fish in a little pond.....

maybe you need to rethink about the frog analogy....the way I see it...we are all in the same well....

PS: Where I come from they say "Bandar kya Jaane Adrak ka Swad"....Tell me you understand that?

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Lets see.....

India is a natural leader as far as the subcontinent goes.....Whether it be size...population..economy...armed forces....technology....name it and we lead in it.....our smaller neighbors will look up to us because of who we are.....we dont need to intimidate....Its not easy being the big fish in a little pond.....

maybe you need to rethink about the frog analogy....the way I see it...we are all in the same well....

PS: Where I come from they say "Bandar kya Jaane Adrak ka Swad"....Tell me you understand that?

India is a natural leader as far as the subcontinent goes,
ya what about centuries of rule of kings from Kabul (Mughals) and British Empire

 

[Peshwa]

India is a natural leader as far as the subcontinent goes,
ya what about centuries of rule of kings from Kabul (Mughals) and British Empire

My friend....we arent talking about pre-independence India are we?....coz remember there were no "neighbors" then....Only one united India...."Sone ki Chidiya" that attracted everyone world over.....
So....our leadership wasnt bestowed on us...Its a combination of who we are/have alwaya been and what we have made ourselves.....

 

[EjazR]

@Omar1984
In 47-48, local Kashmiris had to fight against the invaders who were looting, raping and plundering and under Sheikh Abdul la were the first line of defense until the IA was air lifted. This is a historical fact.

however, this is probably the only unavoidable war. After this for fifteen years there was no provacation on either sides and relations were being improved gradually and Kashmir dispute was being addressed. Until the '65 war.

65 war happened because of Operation Gibraltar -- which failed due to lack of local support. The aggression was initiated by Pakistan who at that time was under military rule under Ayub Khan

71 could well be taken as a genuine provocation by India to Pakistan. But certainly large sections of East Pakistan were supporting India unlike in Kashmir. Without local support India would not have been able to separate east Pakistan. Again Gen. Yahya Khan was the president at that time

In '99, relations were improving after the nuke tests. PMs of either country were traveling on buses. Then Gen Musharraf without PMO authorizations as claimed by Nawaz Sharief launched an cross LoC raid which again failed because of lack of local support among other things.


Re: Afghanistan after soviet troops left in 89 and Najibullah was in power who was Pakistan supporting to fight? It was against Najibullah's government an Afghan govt. where foreign troops have withdrawn. This is what I am referring too.

 

[Omar1984]

Lets see.....

India is a natural leader as far as the subcontinent goes.....Whether it be size...population..economy...armed forces....technology....name it and we lead in it.....our smaller neighbors will look up to us because of who we are.....we dont need to intimidate....Its not easy being the big fish in a little pond.....

maybe you need to rethink about the frog analogy....the way I see it...we are all in the same well....

PS: Where I come from they say "Bandar kya Jaane Adrak ka Swad"....Tell me you understand that?

Which neighbour looks up to india? Bhutan.

Your western neighbour, my country, dont see india as any kind of regional power or leader. You can never put pressure on us. Whatever india says about Pakistan comes in one ear and goes out in another, and we dont look upto india and I doubt other South Asian countries look upto india.

India has to stop living in fantasy about being a super power, big brother, leader, etc.. because we Pakistanis will never accept you as one nor will we treat India like we treat real powers like China and U.S.A.