Karzai: I'll send troops to Pakistan

[TOPGUN]

Great pic Agnostic hahaha wat a dumA$$ puppet he is talking all big hahah love that pic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[never]

karzai
this whole thread is a joke
mushsharaf dared the americuns to cross over, the us a does not control anything in pakistan

 

[dr.rehan]

KARZAI........ HIDE NOW M.F!!!!

Is what will happen to your side of the border, if you enter our country..
Think about that, before you make such stupid statements...


If your not in your senses, i am sure PAK ARMY will help to bring you to your senses very soon.​

You have just seen Pakistan's hospitality, who has hosted your country men for years.

You have not seen RAGE: This is one of its many faces!​

Rehan

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Topgun,

Credit for that image goes to Neo.

Everyone else, calm down please.

If I remember correctly, this whole business about "turning places into glass parking lots" and punishing a lot of innocent people in the process was what was quite insulting and offensive when said by some Americans.

One mans out of turn comments have now resulted in many Pakistanis indulging in the same banal and offensive language.

This thread should be for analyzing Karzai's statements, the implications, the repercussions, not pointless threats.

 

[Asif Afridi]

We just need to remind Mr karzai that he still needs to accept afghan refugees from Pakistan before becoming a regional power.

 

[ghazi]

Obviously Karzai was reading the American script. There will be no invasion, but battle will be fought with high tech aerial gear & precision bombs. Bush has made the decision to intensify the pressure on Bin La Din and Taliban. Pakistan can't do a damn thing about it.
Musharraf is happy because it will take focus off him & put pressure on the new government. New Govt will just make noise but will not take any action as it is too dependent on us for money.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Another way to approach this is by analyzing the impact of statements like these on Pakistanis.

Given current attitudes I would argue that a perceived "American puppet" and "America" issuing threats of "invasion" are possibly only second to India threatening "invasion".

The response to this is going to be somewhat of a deflection from internal tensions, and a show of solidarity as Pakistanis in the face of "American aggression".

Even the ANP, billed as having a close relationship with Karzai, has had its leaders criticize Karzai, though not quite as directly as the federal government.

Jana,

Whats your take from Peshawar on how the ANP views this statement of Karzai's?

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Taleban 'capture Afghan villages'

Some 500 Taleban fighters have taken over several villages in southern Afghanistan, local officials say.

The villages are in the Arghandab district, near the main regional city of Kandahar.

The reports come three days after about 350 Taleban fighters escaped from a jail in Kandahar.

Afghan and Nato officials have said they are redeploying troops to respond to "any potential threats" from the escaped rebels.

It was not immediately clear if the freed Taleban inmates were among the fighters who seized the villages on Monday.

A former Taleban stronghold, Kandahar is one of the key battlegrounds of the rebel insurgency against Afghanistan's government and troops from Nato and a US-led coalition.

Diplomatic row

In a separate development, Afghanistan's ambassador to Pakistan was summoned to the foreign ministry to receive a formal protest over remarks by President Hamid Karzai.

Mr Karzai said on Sunday that Afghanistan had the right to send troops across the border to chase militants taking shelter in Pakistan.

The Afghan ambassador in Islamabad was given a "strong protest" over the comments, Pakistani officials said.

The US says cross-border raids from Pakistan are a growing problem.

Story from BBC NEWS:
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Taleban 'capture Afghan villages'

Published: 2008/06/16 18:23:04 GMT

© BBC MMVIII

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I marvel at the manner in which some feel that modern technology can wizard in instant and outright success and the ISAF can make the terrorists vanish into thin air. Or that because the PA is not so endowed, it is worse off.

It is a most unlettered a thought and of people who actually do not understand technology and are marvelled by it like village yokels.

May I ask, tea used to be boiled over a fire. Now, it can be done with an electric cum electronic tea dispenser. Does it brew the tea any faster or does it in any way make the tea better tasting? It only makes the tea making process less cumbersome and that is about all. The taste of the tea still remains within the leaf and the quality of the leaf!!

 

[ejaz007]

Bush offers to calm ‘testy situation’ on Pak-Afghan border
Tuesday, June 17, 2008

LONDON: US President George W Bush said on Monday that Washington can help calm the “testy situation” between Afghanistan and Pakistan, but refused to endorse Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s threat to send troops across the border as a means to target terrorists.

Bush called for leaders of Afghanistan and Pakistan to hold talks and share intelligence as both confront notorious Taliban leaders. “There’s a lot of common ground,” Bush said. “It’s in no one’s interest that extremists have a safe haven from which to operate. Obviously, it’s a testy situation there.”

Bush declined to answer when asked directly whether he supports Karzai’s threat to send troops into Pakistan. Karzai said on Sunday that Afghanistan has a right to send troops into Pakistan because Taliban militants cross over from Pakistan to attack Afghan and foreign forces.

Bush said, though, that he understands Karzai’s concerns. “We can help,” Bush said. “We can help calm the situation down.” Appearing together, Bush and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown traded compliments about each other and their commitments to two war zones, Afghanistan and Iraq. They also offered a united front on Iran, Zimbabwe, Myanmar and Darfur and expressed hopes for reaching a global trade pact.

Bush said he understood Afghanistan’s anger at attacks by Islamist militants based on the border with Pakistan but urged talks to resolve the “testy situation”. “We can help calm the situation down and develop a strategy that will prevent these extremists from developing safe haven and having freedom of movement,” he said after talks with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

“There can be more dialogue between the Pak government and the Afghan government,” said Bush, who was on a farewell trip to Europe. “There needs to be better cooperation.” “It’s a testy situation there, and if I’m a president of a country and people are coming from one country to another, allegedly from one country to another, to kill innocent civilians on my side I’d be concerned about it,” said Bush.

The US leader also called for a for a new “Jirga” or traditional council of tribal leaders in the region to tackle the issue, saying: “That’d be a good idea to restart the Jirga process.” “There’s a lot of common ground,” he said. “It’s in no-one’s interest that extremists have a safe haven from which to operate.”

“Our strategy is to deny safe haven to extremists who would do harm to innocent people. And that’s the strategy of Afghanistan, it needs to be the strategy of Pakistan. It’s in all our interests,” he said.

On at least two matters, Brown came ready with news that Bush wanted to hear. US President George W Bush won Europe’s backing for tighter sanctions on Iran over its nuclear programme and secured a British pledge to send more troops to Afghanistan.

After talks with Bush on the last day of the president’s farewell tour through Europe, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said European states would agree to impose financial sanctions on Tehran.

“So today, Britain will urge Europe and Europe will agree to take further sanctions against Iran,” he told a news conference. “First of all we will take action today that will freeze the overseas assets of the biggest bank in Iran, the bank Melli.”

“We will do everything possible to maintain the dialogue, but we are also clear that if Iran continues to ignore united resolutions and continues to ignore our offers of partnership, we have no choice but to intensify sanctions,” Brown said.

European foreign ministers were due to discuss Iran at a meeting in Luxembourg. A British foreign office spokesman said London, its EU partners and Washington were discussing a range of additional sanctions, including in the oil and gas sector.

“The free world has an obligation to work together, in concert, to prevent the Iranians from having the know-how to develop a nuclear weapon,” Bush told reporters after the talks. “Now’s the time to work together to get it done.”

Brown called Bush “a true friend of Britain” and praised his “steadfastness and resoluteness”. Bush said of Brown, “He’s tough on terror and I appreciate it.” Questioned about Iraq, Bush said that history will judge how the US waged the war, whether more troops should have been deployed and whether they should have been positioned differently. But he said he had no doubts about deposing Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. “Absolutely it’s necessary,” the president said.

Brown showed no distance from Bush on the strategy in Iraq. The prime minister said he would not order an arbitrary withdrawal of the 4,000 remaining British troops until the task is done, even as his government was announcing that it would bolster its forces in Afghanistan to its highest level ever.

ìThe policy is showing success,” Brown said of Iraq. “In Iraq, there is a job to be done and we will continue to do the job and there will be no artificial timetable.” Bush cast the British and US approach to withdrawal in the same terms: “The plan is to bring them home based on success.” He said: “I have no problem with how Gordon Brown is dealing with Iraq. He’s been a good partner.”

Britain will increase its force in Afghanistan by 230, taking the total number of British troops there to more than 8,000, Defence Secretary Des Browne told parliament on Monday.

Browne said the situation in Afghanistan had improved over the past 12 months, but a switch by Taliban guerrillas from conventional attacks to suicide bombings and roadside bomb attacks posed a different threat.

He said 400 British military positions would be removed and 630 added as part of the 52,000-strong Nato-led International Security and Assistance Force (Isaf) — a net increase of 230.

The extra troops would include helicopter crews to increase flying time of aircraft and crews to drive new armoured vehicles, Browne said. Harrier jets would be brought home and replaced with Tornado jets to reduce wear on British fighters.

While it was not a major increase in overall numbers, it did show the force was expanding and would boost the military’s commitment to development in Afghanistan, Browne said. British troops are mainly involved in Helmand province, an opium-growing desert area along a fertile river crescent that has been a Taliban stronghold.

In the brutal standoff in the African nation of Zimbabwe, Brown called on President Robert Mugabe to allow a UN human rights envoy as well as election monitors to enter the country. “Mugabe must not be allowed to steal the election,” he asserted.

Mugabe faces opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai in a June 27 presidential runoff. Opposition supporters say they have been arrested, burned out of their homes, beaten and killed. Diplomats trying to investigate the violence have been harassed by police. Bush praised the prime minister’s strong words and said the US would work with Britain to try to achieve fair elections.

 

[ejaz007]

Taliban take over villages outside Kandahar
* NATO, Afghan forces rush towards captured villages
* Government official says 500 Taliban captured several villages

KANDAHAR: Hundreds of Taliban fighters invaded villages just outside Kandahar on Monday, forcing NATO and Afghan troops to rush in and frightened residents to flee.

The Taliban assault on the outskirts of Kandahar was the latest display of prowess by Taliban militants despite a record number of United States troops in the country.

The push into Arghandab district - a lush region filled with grape and pomegranate groves that the Soviet army could never conquer - comes three days after a Taliban attack on Kandahar's prison that freed 400 insurgent fighters. Those fighters, NATO conceded, appear to now be massing on the doorstep of the Taliban's former powerbase. The sophisticated and successful jailbreak, followed by the movement into Arghandab, is the latest evidence of the growing strength of the Taliban militants.

The US and NATO have pleaded for additional troops over the last year and now have some 65,000 in the country. But the militants are still finding successes that the international alliance can't counter. "Three days ago, within a 30-minute operation, the Taliban freed hundreds of prisoners, and NATO, the Canadians, the Americans, didn't do anything," said Muhammad Asif, a 30-year-old Kandahar resident. "Now more than 500 Taliban are living in Arghandab. They are occupying the region."

500 Taliban: Arghandab government official Muhammad Farooq said about 500 Taliban fighters moved into his district and took over several villages. He said families were fleeing even as Canadian, US and Afghan forces were moving in. A large river dissects Arghandab's fertile lands. The east side, closest to Kandahar, is controlled by NATO and Afghan troops, Farooq said. The area to the river's west is now controlled by the Taliban.

"The Taliban told us to leave. They are planting mines everywhere," said Shafiq Khan, who was moving his wife, seven children and brother out of Arghandab in a small truck late Monday.

Khan reported that helicopters were patrolling the skies. "The people are scared," he said by mobile phone.

Arghandab lies just northwest of Kandahar city, and a tribal leader from the region warned that the militants could use the cover from Arghandab's orchards to mount an attack on Kandahar itself

"All of Arghandab is made of orchards. The militants can easily hide and easily fight," said Haji Ikramullah Khan. "It's quite close to Kandahar. During the Russian war, the Russians didn't even occupy Arghandab, because when they fought here they suffered big casualties." NATO spokesman Major General Carlos Branco dismissed the report, saying the Taliban couldn't mount such an attack. He said he didn't believe there are 500 fighters in Arghandab but wouldn't offer an estimate. afp

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Karzai can't control his own country and is threatening to send troops into Pakistan. Either he is confused, mentally retarded or frustrated with own failures. It could be combination of all three.

 

[muse]

For our gentle friend Nitesh and others:
Attacking Pakistan

From today's News International

Attacking Pakistan


Tuesday, June 17, 2008
Ahmed Quraishi

Now the Mayor of Kabul wants to invade Pakistan. Six years of Pakistani appeasement in the face of gradual loss of our legitimate security interests in the region have come down to this: the weakest leader in modern Afghan history warns Islamabad he will not only invade Pakistan but will also "rescue" the Pakistani Pashtun population--a thinly veiled threat to claim our northwestern regions as part of Afghanistan.

Hamid Karzai should not be blamed for making statements that far exceed his status as a weak ruler propped up by warlords and a foreign power, and whose authority hardly surpasses the city where he is bunkered.

Islamabad's real problem lies not with him. It's with Washington, whose military sided last week with Mr Karzai's rag-tag army in a border dispute where it used massive aerial power to pound a Pakistani border post and kill eleven of our soldiers. This disproportionate use of power was so senseless it could only be a deliberate hostile act against Pakistan. The explanation given by Dr Condoleezza Rice to our foreign minister – whom she tried to convince this was a case of friendly-fire – has no buyers in Pakistan.

If a war is being imposed on Pakistan – and all indications are that this is the case – then Islamabad should retaliate. To regain respect, Pakistani military should henceforth hold the government in Kabul and the Afghan military directly responsible for any act of aggression emanating from Afghan soil. In last week's case, Pakistani military should have launched a retaliatory strike targeting the nearby Afghan army posts. The prime minister could have sanctioned the attack after seeking, and receiving, parliament's consent on urgent basis, even after the operation.

A Pakistani counterstrike would have tested and exposed the intentions of the American-led NATO troops. A subsequent attack on Pakistan would have confirmed this was no misunderstanding. The Americans have been saber-rattling for months now and the June 10 attack fitted a pattern of US official statements, media leaks, and cross-border violations.

In every sense of the word, an undeclared war is being waged against Pakistan from the Afghan soil since 2004. Islamabad is in possession of plenty of real and circumstantial evidence to this effect. The purpose of this war is to set off ethnic and religious wars inside Pakistan to weaken the country and precipitate its disintegration. In the past four years, separatist activity in the entire Pakistani region next to Afghanistan jumped from nil to levels not seen since the 1980s, when the Soviets used Afghan soil for the same purpose.

Afghanistan has a political problem that the US and its puppet regime in Kabul have been unable to resolve for the past seven years. This failure is destabilizing Pakistan, not the other way around. The Pakistani foreign minister should have used the Afghan donor conference in Paris last week to make it clear that Islamabad – and NATO for that matter – cannot be held responsible for Washington and Kabul's inability to end the Afghan civil conflict.

It's also time to turn the tables. Pakistan should issue a list of demands to the regime in Kabul. The list should ask for a halt in all cross-border terrorism originating from Afghan soil into Pakistan. This includes the closure of training camps for terrorists who are sent into our provinces of Balochistan and NWFP and the expulsion of all terrorist elements recruited from Pakistan and sheltered at safe houses provided by the Afghan government. Failure to meet these legitimate demands should result in punitive measures; including restricting both Afghanistan's overland trade and US fuel supplies through Pakistani land and airspace.

Washington has been double-crossing Pakistan from the moment Islamabad joined America's war on terror. In the seven years since 9/11, Washington has deliberately ignored Pakistan's legitimate security needs and concerns in Afghanistan on every count. Under American watch, rabidly anti-Pakistan warlords and exiled elements with Indian connections going back to the days of the Soviets have been encouraged to wield influence in Kabul. The narcotic trade has been allowed to recover from near-total eradication under the previous regime, giving a boost to organized crime affecting both Pakistan and Iran.

Pakistani officials have long been suspecting that some Indian and Afghan elements operating in Afghanistan have an interest in inciting a confrontation between Pakistan and the United States. But it is also true that Washington has accorded little importance, by design or by coincidence, to the legitimate security and strategic interests of its Pakistani ally.

We should win together in Afghanistan. Washington's victory should not become a Pakistani loss.


The writer works for Geo TV. Email: aq@ahmedquraishi.com

 

[Nafees]

Bush calls for Pak-Afghan talks on militants
Afp, London

US President George W Bush said yesterday he understood Afghanistan's anger at attacks by Islamist militants based on the border with Pakistan but urged talks to resolve the "testy situation."

"We can help calm the situation down and develop a strategy that will prevent these extremists from developing safe haven and having freedom of movement," he said after talks with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

"There can be more dialogue between the Pak (eds: correct) government and the Afghan government," said Bush, who was on a farewell trip to Europe. "There needs to be better cooperation."

The US leader stopped short of endorsing Afghan President Hamid Karzai's warning of possible cross-border strikes at militants in Pakistan but said he understood the frustration in Kabul.

"It's a testy situation there, and if I'm a president of a country and people are coming from one country to another, allegedly from one country to another, to kill innocent civilians on my side I'd be concerned about it," said Bush.

The US leader also called for a for a new "jirga" or traditional council of tribal leaders in the region to tackle the issue, saying: "That'd be a good idea to restart the jirga process."

"There's a lot of common ground," he said. "It's in no-one's interest that extremists have a safe haven from which to operate."

"Our strategy is to deny safe haven to extremists who would do harm to innocent people. And that's the strategy of Afghanistan, it needs to be the strategy of Pakistan. It's in all our interests," he said.

Karzai said Sunday that Afghanistan would be justified to attack Taliban insurgents on the soil of his supposed ally in the US-led "war on terror," saying his war-torn country had a right to do so in self-defence.

As anger mounted in Islamabad, hundreds of Afghan tribesmen rallied on their side of the porous 1,500-mile (2,500-kilometre) frontier to voice their support for Karzai's tough stance.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said in a statement that he would "like to make it absolutely clear that Pakistan shall defend its territorial sovereignty."
Qureshi described Karzai's comments as "irresponsible".

The row is the most serious since Pakistan abandoned its support for the hardline Taliban movement and backed the US-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 in the wake of the 9/11 attacks on the United States.

The volatile situation on the border was highlighted last week when Pakistan accused "cowardly" US-led coalition forces of killing 11 Pakistani soldiers in an airstrike in a lawless tribal region.

 

[Vinod2070]

This Ahmed Quraishi guy has a thing for conspiracy theories.

Its fun reading him.

 

[Nafees]

This Ahmed Quraishi guy has a thing for conspiracy theories.

Its fun reading him.

Where u find into his comment that he became funny guy to u???????????