Kargil’s military success was converted into political defeat: Musharraf

[chhota bheem]

After the coffin scandals, and awarding fake medals, the Indians should drown in their own shame.

Yeah you guys dint need coffins,as this man you are showing dint even accept the dead bodies,forget accepting he dint even acknowledge they are pakistani slodiers.

 

[kṣamā]

@MastanKhan : Can you please quantify what was the goal of Pakistan during the Kargil assault ??

 

[ZooZoo]

Pakistan won no Battle..


War result is decide on objectives, not one or 2 battles...

 

[s_madaans]

The Mujahadeen were sitting on the peaks gunning down the Indian jawans. The blood of the Indian jawans rolling down the mountain sides could be seen by the Indian generals from their base camps. So much carnage and attrition. As the Indian jawans were being lit up by lmg fire they were littered on the bottom of the peaks with bullet wounds and broken legs, while boulders and rocks were crashing down upon them. It was an utter massacre. The Mujahedeen also felt pity for the Indian jawans, and started to execute them out of mercy, while others gave them a chance to trek back to their base camps.

The Indian generals had never felt this kind of fear. It was an utter massacre that the upper echelon of the Indian military establishment never wanted to face again. Even with the assistance of the Israelis and receiving laser guided bombs, the IA jawans were massacred and the whole debacle could be surmised as a turkey shoot for the Mujahadeen and NLI forces.

We pray that the Indians never face such an onslaught and such brutality ever again.

 

[punit]

The Mujahadeen were sitting on the peaks gunning down the Indian jawans. The blood of the Indian jawans rolling down the mountain sides could be seen by the Indian generals from their base camps. So much carnage and attrition. As the Indian jawans were being lit up by lmg fire they were littered on the bottom of the peaks with bullet wounds and broken legs, while boulders and rocks were crashing down upon them. It was an utter massacre. The Mujahedeen also felt pity for the Indian jawans, and started to execute them out of mercy, while others gave them a chance to trek back to their base camps.

The Indian generals had never felt this kind of fear. It was an utter massacre that the upper echelon of the Indian military establishment never wanted to face again. Even with the assistance of the Israelis and receiving laser guided bombs, the IA jawans were massacred and the whole debacle could be surmised as a turkey shoot for the Mujahadeen and NLI forces.

We pray that the Indians never face such an onslaught and such brutality ever again.

so why the uber brave pakistani ran away with tail tugged comfortably m b/w the hind legs in kargil.. leaving behind the dead ones to rot ! and the pakistani PM ran to washington for compromise!

 

[I.R.A]

Hi,

Absolutely----. As I stated before that what we did in kargil---this drama of cold start suits Pakistan better than it suits india---.

For us kargil was cold start----we achieved the goal at a time when our military over all was the weakest.

On a scale of 1----10 when you would rate the indian air force of that time at a 10---Pakistan air force was a maybe a 2 ---.

Today Pakistan air force is in the range of 8---8.5 to india's 10----. Once we see indian troop movement---we can move faster and strike first----.

Don't worry about all these indian kids talking tough over here----.

Oh toughness and Indian kids is too much of watching Shaktiman. They can keep dreaming of being super power who cares, my question is from perspective of Pakistan and its aims to bring back this Shaktiman to ground and to his senses again. We have seen too much of their nonsense already and little offensive from our side for too long.

 

[punit]

I understand that you are in shock my little Indian friend. It was a sad day in history as the Pak mountain peaks of Kashmir were soiled with Indian blood. Take a deep breath.

yes .. we are sorry that pakistani soldiers left the dead ones to rot and even declined to own the dead bodies .. soldiers do not deserve just humiliation.

 

[Bang Galore]

: Can you please quantify what was the goal of Pakistan during the Kargil assault ??

Obviously fighting itself was the goal.......If you see them go on & on about it, they seem to behave as if it was some kind of a boxing match where the fighting is done for sport, with no strategic goals. Can't blame them, 16 years later, India remains well entrenched in Siachen. So they do a Ghalib:

"hum ko maaloom hai jannat ki haqeeqat lekin
dil ke Khush rakhney ko Ghalib ye Khayaal achhaa hai"

 

[punit]

Ask that question to your IA regarding the coffin scandal. Not enough coffins to respect your fallen comrades.

The sheer annihilation of the Indian jawans was an exhausting task for our mujahadeen. Many even took pity on your jawans that were begging for their lives.

that opposed to let the pakistani force to rot in open and not even have guts to aCCEPT THEM AS THEIR OWN. !

 

[Fireurimagination]

Wasn't Nawaz asked to rush to Washington by Mushy himself?

 

[Sipahi]

Pakistan has a track record of losing battles on table .... No surprise

 

[Windjammer]

Windy hi,

All these Indians kids can just talk---they can only repeat what they heard from their news media----. The important peaks are with pak military----.

As I have stated many a times---the tagets of kargil have been achieved.

Between you and I----I can confirm this news---the peaks are with Pakistan---we did not withdraw from the ones that were of substance.

Sir, when they are condemned to be the victims of their own propaganda, then who can change their deluded souls.
Suddenly for these internet warriors, their own media is non credible, in fact most of them sitting behind a screen consider themselves more knowledgeable than what's published in their own papers. A decade after the Kargil conflict, Indian media is still raising the issue and not without reasons.

''Standing tall and dominating the famous Tiger Hill on the Line of Control (LoC) is a grim reminder of the Kargil war. Point 5353, the highest peak in the region which has a clear view of the National Highway 1 D, remains occupied by Pakistan even a decade after the battle.
While the point is clearly on the Indian side of the LoC, it remains in Pakistani control which has fortified it with reinforced bunkers and has even built a special road nearby to carry up supplies for soldiers.
The Indian Army, which made several unsuccessful attempts to occupy the post after the Kargil war, has since given up the post as "untenable" given the geography of the region that makes it fairly easy for Pakistani troops to climb''

Near Tiger Hill, Point 5353 still Pak-occupied - Indian Express

 

[nForce]

Sir, when they are condemned to be the victims of their own propaganda, then who can change their deluded souls.
Suddenly for these internet warriors, their own media is non credible, in fact most of them sitting behind a screen consider themselves more knowledgeable than what's published in their own papers. A decade after the Kargil conflict, Indian media is still raising the issue and not without reasons.

''Standing tall and dominating the famous Tiger Hill on the Line of Control (LoC) is a grim reminder of the Kargil war. Point 5353, the highest peak in the region which has a clear view of the National Highway 1 D, remains occupied by Pakistan even a decade after the battle.
While the point is clearly on the Indian side of the LoC, it remains in Pakistani control which has fortified it with reinforced bunkers and has even built a special road nearby to carry up supplies for soldiers.
The Indian Army, which made several unsuccessful attempts to occupy the post after the Kargil war, has since given up the post as "untenable" given the geography of the region that makes it fairly easy for Pakistani troops to climb''

Near Tiger Hill, Point 5353 still Pak-occupied - Indian Express

That was Mushy's objective ?

Tell me how and why this point makes any difference ?

 

[Fireurimagination]

Sir, when they are condemned to be the victims of their own propaganda, then who can change their deluded souls.
Suddenly for these internet warriors, their own media is non credible, in fact most of them sitting behind a screen consider themselves more knowledgeable than what's published in their own papers. A decade after the Kargil conflict, Indian media is still raising the issue and not without reasons.

''Standing tall and dominating the famous Tiger Hill on the Line of Control (LoC) is a grim reminder of the Kargil war. Point 5353, the highest peak in the region which has a clear view of the National Highway 1 D, remains occupied by Pakistan even a decade after the battle.
While the point is clearly on the Indian side of the LoC, it remains in Pakistani control which has fortified it with reinforced bunkers and has even built a special road nearby to carry up supplies for soldiers.
The Indian Army, which made several unsuccessful attempts to occupy the post after the Kargil war, has since given up the post as "untenable" given the geography of the region that makes it fairly easy for Pakistani troops to climb''

Near Tiger Hill, Point 5353 still Pak-occupied - Indian Express

Capturing one peak that too surrounded by Indian occupied peaks was the objective of Kargil blunder? Pakistanis are funny!

 

[Bang Galore]

Sir, when they are condemned to be the victims of their own propaganda, then who can change their deluded souls.
Suddenly for these internet warriors, their own media is non credible, in fact most of them sitting behind a screen consider themselves more knowledgeable than what's published in their own papers. A decade after the Kargil conflict, Indian media is still raising the issue and not without reasons.

''Standing tall and dominating the famous Tiger Hill on the Line of Control (LoC) is a grim reminder of the Kargil war. Point 5353, the highest peak in the region which has a clear view of the National Highway 1 D, remains occupied by Pakistan even a decade after the battle.
While the point is clearly on the Indian side of the LoC, it remains in Pakistani control which has fortified it with reinforced bunkers and has even built a special road nearby to carry up supplies for soldiers.
The Indian Army, which made several unsuccessful attempts to occupy the post after the Kargil war, has since given up the post as "untenable" given the geography of the region that makes it fairly easy for Pakistani troops to climb''

Near Tiger Hill, Point 5353 still Pak-occupied - Indian Express

Again, to what effect? India still holds Siachen, the reason cited for the Kargil war, has consolidated the control there. You may hold a peak but was the war fought for that peak ? India holds the entire Siachen glacier & the heights of the Saltoro ridge line to the west of Siachen. Pakistanis still have to lie about being on Siachen or your officials paying a visit there. The only way for Pakistanis to get to the Siachen glacier is to ask India to allow that after applying for a visa which won't happen.

You have held point 5353 for the last 16 years, what has it got you? In effect, after a war that damaged relations with India and allowed India 16 years to consolidate its hold, a war that destroyed Pakistan's international credibility on Kashmir, a war that destroyed Pakistan's own national polity, to think of it as some kind of a victory requires some special pleading & a substitution of reality with delusion.