Kargil war was a total disaster, claims Gen Majeed Malik

[MST]

It depends on the objective of the war.

Then China and Pakistan will sell weapons to Bangladesh.

Yup this is all you can do. But if you look at the map those weapons will never reach them :p

 

[Ammyy]

It depends on the objective of the war.

If India aims to conquer and annex Bangladesh then China and Pakistan will intervene.

China will not gonna fight for any one .... only some idiots living in this dream

And for Pakistan ???

 

[Mercenary]

Yup this is all you can do. But if you look at the map those weapons will never reach them :p

War won't start over-night.

There will be a drum beat of tension which will rise which will cause Bangladesh to seek weapons from Pakistan and China.

 

[Ammyy]

War won't start over-night.

There will be a drum beat of tension which will rise which will cause Bangladesh to seek weapons from Pakistan and China.

Bangladesh need weapons from Pakistan ?????

 

[MST]

War won't start over-night.

There will be a drum beat of tension which will rise which will cause Bangladesh to seek weapons from Pakistan and China.

No plane from Pakistan or China can fly with weapons over India. And ships take time too. The bottom line is whatever you can help is not going to be meaningful. Anyways if the Bangladeshi's don't act like idiots (like the way they talk) no body will attack them. They are very much an irrelevant country run by RAW. Now lets get back to the topic of Kargil.

 

[PakShah]

When tanks start rolling into Bangladesh all impossible will become possible.
You people should prepare for two front war with India and Burma. Whenever it happens we will be coordinating. Just giving you a heads up.



Whatever makes you happy. But don't forget your ranking in the list of failed states.

lol, India should be in the list of failed states. The western media is biased.
India has most poor in the world. lol, India has naxalite problem, territorial disputes with Pakistan and China.

India is a threat to world peace. India is a filed state, not Pakistan. lol !

 

[MST]

lol, India should be in the list of failed states. The western media is biased.
India has most poor in the world. lol, India has naxalite problem, territorial disputes with Pakistan and China.

India is a threat to world peace. India is a filed state, not Pakistan. lol !

As I said before Whatever makes you happy. One can't talk reasonably to a fan of Zaid Hamid.

 

[Jade]

It depends on the objective of the war.

If India aims to conquer and annex Bangladesh then China and Pakistan will intervene.

If its some border dispute and a couple of border guards get killed in the fighting, then its no big deal.

If India tries to impose its will over Bangladesh, either by establishing air supremacy, taking some vital river estuaries, etc. Then China and Pakistan will sell weapons to Bangladesh.

Why will India fight Bangladesh, when the Bangladeshi government is so pro India

 

[PakShah]

As I said before Whatever makes you happy. One can't talk reasonably to a fan of Zaid Hamid.

Same here, whatever makes you sleep comfortably with your prostitutes in saris in Pune or Mumbai.

Mumbai=Prostitution capital of Asia

People like Bal Thackeray, and Narendra Modi are cursed pigs who should be tried for crimes against humanity!

I would watch out for the Naxalites, they are pretty rough and tough I hear.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

lol, India should be in the list of failed states. The western media is biased.
India has most poor in the world. lol, India has naxalite problem, territorial disputes with Pakistan and China.

India is a threat to world peace. India is a filed state, not Pakistan. lol !

You are embarassing yourself and the green flag.

 

[PakShah]

You are embarassing yourself and the green flag.

How am I embarrassing myself.
Pakistan can only get better from here now. Thats the bright side.

Get a grip on yourself, you are the one who is giving the Green Flag a bad name

 

[niaz]

One must have the fortitude to accept the bitter truth.

Pakistan directly or indirectly occupied dozens of Indian army posts in the Dras-Kargil sector when it was unmanned. Indian army mounted a fierce counter attack resulting in Pakistani supported forces pulling back to the original position.

Whatever reasons and justifications for pulling back from Kargil anyone tries to give, no one can deny that Kargil is back in Indian hands. Therefore, even though it pains me immensely, I have to accept that Kargil venture was a bitter failure.

With hindsight it is easy to say that it was a mistake. More important is the question as to whether President & the Prime Minister agreed to this misadventure before it began or only taken on board when it was ‘fait accompli’?

Musharraf claims that Nawaz Sharif and his cabinet were on board whereas Nawaz Sharif claims that he only knew it after the posts had been occupied. The jury is still out on this one.

I humbly request my countrymen that trying to consider it a victory tantamount to fooling ourselves. Which army lost more men is irrelevant. If we were winning then why Nawaz Sharif had to fly to Washington in a hurry and why did he agree to pull back our troops? One should learn from ones mistakes, how can we learn from Kargil if we consider it a victory?

 

[BATMAN]

If Nawaz Sharif was not on-board, than naturally it was him, who ordered the pull back upon discovering about the unapproved war.

Than question comes to mind, that why Sharif didn't faced Musharraf on this issue, and rather attempted a coup in army, while P.M was away.

Yes, there is no denial to that today Indians are back on the posts but it is also true that once Pakistan was there.

While Pakistanis were fighting without food for weeks, had the supplies continued than situation may have not be same.

It is also true that Indian air-force failed in the operation and their men simply climbed back due to almost zero resistance from Pakistan side.

What is the Indian count of Pakistani, dead bodies?

 

[PakShah]

One must have the fortitude to accept the bitter truth.

Pakistan directly or indirectly occupied dozens of Indian army posts in the Dras-Kargil sector when it was unmanned. Indian army mounted a fierce counter attack resulting in Pakistani supported forces pulling back to the original position.

Whatever reasons and justifications for pulling back from Kargil anyone tries to give, no one can deny that Kargil is back in Indian hands. Therefore, even though it pains me immensely, I have to accept that Kargil venture was a bitter failure.

With hindsight it is easy to say that it was a mistake. More important is the question as to whether President & the Prime Minister agreed to this misadventure before it began or only taken on board when it was ‘fait accompli’?

Musharraf claims that Nawaz Sharif and his cabinet were on board whereas Nawaz Sharif claims that he only knew it after the posts had been occupied. The jury is still out on this one.

I humbly request my countrymen that trying to consider it a victory tantamount to fooling ourselves. Which army lost more men is irrelevant. If we were winning then why Nawaz Sharif had to fly to Washington in a hurry and why did he agree to pull back our troops? One should learn from ones mistakes, how can we learn from Kargil if we consider it a victory?

Was the Kargil War a complete victory? No it wasn't.
Was the Kargil War a complete loss? No it wasn't.

It was a tactical victory for Pakistan because Pakistan gained some strategic peaks which overlook the Drass and Kargil highway .



It was a Diplomatic victory for India, because USA saved her for whatever reasons(maybe to keep the Kashmir conflict brewing).

We all know the truth. The LOC of 2012 is not the same LOC of Pre-1999. The LOC is further down into Indian territory because Pakistan captured some strategic Peaks.

Like I said, it was a "tactical victory", but the gain was small indeed.

A complete victory in Pakistani terms would be liberate all of Indian Occupied Jammu and Kashmir or atleast a huge chunk of it.


Check this link, “We lost Kargil” Lieutenant-General Kishan Pal.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...ost-kargil-lieutenant-general-kishan-pal.html

So this topic was discussed before.

So in Assessment:

Just as I thought:

Facts:
1) Pakistan did have the upper hand in the beginning
2) Pakistan in the end still kept some peaks -> A strategic victory. but a victory nonetheless, a tactical victory. The infamous Point 5353 is one of the strategic points that Pakistan gained.

3) USA saved India, when India was at her worst moment, had USA not intervened, Ladakh would be lost and that would have been a turning in world history.

 

[zootinali]

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