Kargil War hero's book narrates how Indian Army surpised the enemy and won

[PARIKRAMA]

India could have saved money and precious lives had the Indian Military chosen to blockade the supply route of the opposing force, virtually creating a siege. The issue was that such a move would have involved the Indian troops crossing the LoC as well as initiating aerial attacks on Pakistan soil, a manoeuvre India was not willing to exercise fearing an expansion of war and reducing international support for its cause.
@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA what's your opinion?

Cutting the supply route access, stretching present rations, creating a situation where morale of the soldiers goes down with the advent of time is a common chapter of strategy101. It's applicable to every field including the conflict of Kargil.

The issue was the restraint of not crossing the border nor overdoing it and exposing loopholes via over committing excesses in disrupting or blocking of supply route.

To me personally, IMHO the greatest restraint was from PM ABV who ordered of maintaining everything inside our own border and never crossing it. Unfortunately the supply lines were very much constrained for the hostile forces in a foreign territory who had thought broad international acceptance would make the engagement limited in time frame and thus never committed for considering a stable supply chain route, guaranteeing their survival, high Morales and ability to handle out a longer duration of engagement. To me again IMHO it was a case of tactical blunders to avoid 101 class.

The engagement was lost the moment the supply route were cut off from within Indian side of the border. The rest meetings, withdrawal and all talks are just normal chattering.

Kargil is not about senior army brass not doing things correctly.. Kargil effectively displayed that basic foundation chapters of strategy101 and tactics to avoid 101 are very much relevant even today. It's more of a eye opener for both sides who had sidelined that and considered far advance stuff and forgotten the basics

 

[Abingdonboy]

India could have saved money and precious lives had the Indian Military chosen to blockade the supply route of the opposing force, virtually creating a siege. The issue was that such a move would have involved the Indian troops crossing the LoC as well as initiating aerial attacks on Pakistan soil, a manoeuvre India was not willing to exercise fearing an expansion of war and reducing international support for its cause.
@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA what's your opinion?

To be honest, I think the Indian response to Kargil was exactly what it should have been. Violating the LoC would have escalated the entire conflict beyond just LoC/Kargil sector- which is perhaps what the PA wanted. Keeping the fight contained to that specific area and on the Indian side alone was a strategic masterstroke in my opnion, it negated any possibility of India being labelled the aggressor and ensured that the IAF could strike with impunity.

Naturally there would have been some tactical decsions that could/should have been made that would have saved some lives here and there ie bringing in the IAF much much earlier and not allowing Helos to undertake missions without their full self protection suites fitted etc but this is all hindsight, all in all India's objectives were met.

 

[dadeechi]

Kargil war was a Win-Win situation for all

1) Both India-Pakistan have demonstrated that they can fight a war without going nuclear

2) US had become the de-facto third party while rendering Shimla agreement dead

3) It helped India identify it's weaknesses like lack of artillery, air-to-ground weapons etc

4) Pakistan army was successful in it's main aim of scuttling the nascent Vajpayee-Sharif peace talks in which they were not a party. The result was that India started insisting that any peace talks with Pakistan should include it's Military establishment. Hence, the current Modi-Sharif agreement would be successful as it included all the stakeholders, India, Pakistan, Pakistan Military, ISI, Jud, Hum, Hurriyat

5) It helped India & Pakistan choose the right allies. India choosing US & Israel while Pakistan choosing China. There was a time when Pakistan use to call for third party intervention in Kashmir at a drop of a hat. This disappeared into thin air after the Kargil war as they realized that West no longer supports them and had to fall back on China since then.

 

[Silverblaze]

People might not like it, but the thing is this war disrupted the power parity. Pakistan achieved nuclear and strategic parity after nuke tests and neutralized indias conventional military preponderance. This forced india to negotiate. This war brought about the conventional element once again.

On the pakistani side, soldiers and officers were all volunteers and made the ultimate sacrifices. In place of food, they requested weapons. Blaming nawaz shareef for all of it is not fair, musharraf also after just one year went to agra to do the same thing what nawaz was doing.

Lastly, the death toll both sides took was quite high and if some indians passionately describe it as a win, they are wrong.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Kargil was blunder ,but indians should keep this in mind we will keep coming until we achieve what we want, even Mehmood Ghazni faced 16 defeats before conquering India, thats in our blood's and mind's.

That was Mahmud Ghazni and not Pakistanis Now do not tell me he is a Pakistani .

Spared and most importantly Mercy was shown to him which he used against his victors without any moral remorse.

 

[dadeechi]

People might not like it, but the thing is this war disrupted the power parity. Pakistan achieved nuclear and strategic parity after nuke tests and neutralized indias conventional military preponderance. This forced india to negotiate. This war brought about the conventional element once again.

On the pakistani side, soldiers and officers were all volunteers and made the ultimate sacrifices. In place of food, they requested weapons. Blaming nawaz shareef for all of it is not fair, musharraf also after just one year went to agra to do the same thing what nawaz was doing.

Lastly, the death toll both sides took was quite high and if some indians passionately describe it as a win, they are wrong.

It did not disrupt the power parity but validated the power parity that was already achieved by Pakistan's nuclear tests.

 

[SSGcommandoPAK]

New Delhi: It was the speed and spontaneity with which the Indian Army launched its attacks that took the enemy by surprise, leading to their victory in the 1999 Kargil war, says Lieutenant General Mohinder Puri, who headed the 8 Mountain Division.

Gripping accounts of valour and fortitude from the battle front of the war between India and Pakistan have been recollected in a new book penned by Puri.

The book titled 'Kargil: Turning the Tide', which was launched in Delhi on Tuesday, is a first-hand narrative of the operations of 8 Mountain Division, which was tasked to evict the enemy from the Drass-Mushkoh Sector during 'Operation Vijay'.

"We surprised the enemy with the speed and ferocity of our movement. It was the speed with which we conducted the operations and took them totally by surprise, this was one of the reasons why we succeeded in evicting the enemy," he said.

Kargil War hero's book narrates how Indian Army surpised the enemy and won

What victory Pakistan still controls the tallest peak in the district ...

 

[Jamwal's]

We showed the world the art of mountain warfare,again,after siachen.We our troops faced overwhelming odds where the enemy had the advantage of heights,Indians carried 25 KG on a rugged vertical cliffs,and kicked the infiltrators where they belonged.

Shytload of captured weapons,SAM missiles along with a tricolor on every peak is a testimony.

Captured Badges of of NLI

Hero Of Tololing Battle

 

[SSGcommandoPAK]

New Delhi: It was the speed and spontaneity with which the Indian Army launched its attacks that took the enemy by surprise, leading to their victory in the 1999 Kargil war, says Lieutenant General Mohinder Puri, who headed the 8 Mountain Division.

Gripping accounts of valour and fortitude from the battle front of the war between India and Pakistan have been recollected in a new book penned by Puri.

The book titled 'Kargil: Turning the Tide', which was launched in Delhi on Tuesday, is a first-hand narrative of the operations of 8 Mountain Division, which was tasked to evict the enemy from the Drass-Mushkoh Sector during 'Operation Vijay'.

"We surprised the enemy with the speed and ferocity of our movement. It was the speed with which we conducted the operations and took them totally by surprise, this was one of the reasons why we succeeded in evicting the enemy," he said.

Kargil War hero's book narrates how Indian Army surpised the enemy and won

A fact about the Kargil war , Pakistani army troops didn't participate in the war actually those soldiers were from the NLI (paramilitary force of Pakistan ) which is now a regiment of the Pakistan army . INDIAN ARMY vs Northern Light Infantry . shame on u even those guys gave tough time to u indians . 2nd Fact PAF didnt participate in the conflict then even 3 indian planes were shot and a helicopter also . so u can imagine if the regular army of Pakistan with some Commandos would have attacked in kargil with some air support what would have been the state of the Indian army. PEACE

Correct me members if i am wrong and if not Like then

 

[Jamwal's]

 

[SSGcommandoPAK]

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effectively used by NLI not SSG in kargil .

 

[Jamwal's]

Army also captured Stingers/Anza in Kargil war

 

[SSGcommandoPAK]

Army also captured Stingers/Anza in Kargil war

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So we what if you have our stingers and riffles , we have your shot down jets

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

That was Mahmud Ghazni and not Pakistanis Now do not tell me he is a Pakistani .

Spared and most importantly Mercy was shown to him which he used against his victors without any moral remorse.

Funny thing, Mahmud of Ghanzi never had any major territorial conquests in modern India, despite some of his victories

But what Ghaznavids did do was, exterminate Umayad presense in Sindh

The same kingdom from which Pakistan's savior Muhammad bin Qasim hailed from

 

[Jamwal's]

effectively used by NLI not SSG in kargil .

There were some elements of SSG,who fought and martyred/died in Kargil war.


Like Capt Ammar hussain SSG,I think his body was not recovered.