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PAF was fully mobilised as the hostilities escalated. PAF pilots had been mobilised a year earlier under the operation code named ‘BEDAAR’. F-16 Fighting Falcons shifted into the Skardu Forward Operational Base. These F-16s had undergone Falcon Upgrades, thanks to the co’operation of Egypt and Turkey, and were prepared to take on the IAF fighters and transport aircraft thus foiling Indian attempts to drop paratroopers behind enemy lines.
A-5s from Peshawar also joined the Vipers. Rest of the Pakistan Air force was deployed as the same manner as it was in Operation Bedaar ’98.

Pakistan Air Force on Red Alert

6th June 1999: The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has been put on 'red alert' due to the increasingly tense situation between Pakistan and India in the disputed territory of Jammu & Kashmir.

The PAF is now in a state of combat readiness at all times and is ready to meet any eventuality that may arise in the coming days. "We are ready for any eventuality" said a PAF officer whose name
has been withheld. "Insha'Allah, we will not disappoint the nation".

PAF air defence fighters, mainly F-7MPs, are maintaining 24 hour 'round-the-clock' Combat Air Patrols (CAPs) on the whole international border between Pakistan and India as well as on the Line
of Control (LoC) in Jammu & Kashmir. The PAF is also conducting CAPs along its coast on the Arabian Sea.

The PAF has the capability to put 200 combat aircraft in the air within a span of 15 minutes of the orders coming in to scramble", remarked a PAF officer.

The PAF's F-7MP air defence fighters are standing on the operational readiness platform (ORP) ramps of the runways in over 30 air fields of Pakistan with pilots sitting inside the cockpits ready to scramble within seconds.

In some of the PAF's forward operational bases (FOBs), PAF F-7MP air defence fighters are on 'hot scramble alert' i.e. stationed at the end of the runways, with pilots inside the cockpits and the aircraft engines running.

"The PAF is in a defensive posture but we have the capability to transform this defensive posture into an offensive one if the enemy dares to violate Pakistan's territory and airspace.", the PAF officer stated. The PAF has armed all its operational combat aircraft with armaments and equipment for their respective roles. "We do not think the Indians are foolish enough to attack Pakistan, but if they are then they will find us ready", said the PAF officer.

He did not rule out the use of the Pakistan Air Force if the Indian Army crossed the LoC in Jammu & Kashmir. "We are watching every move of theirs, our reconnaissance and surveillance aircraft are watching every move they make, if they cross the LoC they will pay a heavy price for such a misadventure".

He said it will be up to the Pakistan Army to call for air support and air strikes. "This will be the Army's decision", he said.

Asked to comment on the reports that IAF Mirage 2000s were conducting jamming operations against Pakistani radar, the PAF officer remarked "We have better jamming equipment than the Mirage 2000s which they are using. We are using electronic countermeasures to spoil their jamming attempts and we are also jamming their aircraft in return".

He said "our aircraft are conducting counter-jamming as well as jamming of IAF and Indian Army radar in Jammu & Kashmir and we have other high technology specialised aircraft for jamming, counter-jamming, airborne early warning and other electronic intelligence roles which will be activated if the need arises".

He declined to comment on unconfirmed reports that a Saudi AWACS and unknown numbers of Saudi F-15s, UAE Mirage 2000s and Chinese F-7s flown by Pakistan Air Force pilots had arrived in Pakistan. "These are rumours", he added. "Whatever we have, the enemy will find out if they attack us".

Rules Of Engagements

According to the PAF Rules of Engagement (ROE), three conditions have to be met in peacetime before an enemy aircraft can be shot down: (i) the enemy aircraft must violate Pakistan's airspace; (ii) it must be a combat aircraft and (iii) its wreckage must fall inside Pakistani territory. 'Peacetime' in the context of India and Pakistan means when no war has been declared.

PAF Engages Indian Air Force
9 July 1999


ISLAMABAD: In what was a classic pre-dawn interception, air defence interceptors of the Pakistan Air Force, comprising of two PAF F-7MP fighter jets, intercepted and engaged intruding Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter jets which crossed the Line of Control in Jammu & Kashmir and violated Pakistan's airspace by several kilometres. The IAF fighters were believed to be two MiG-27ML ground-attack aircraft and two Mirage 2000H fighters providng top cover. The event took place in the early hours of Thursday, 8 July 1999, at approximately 2:30 a.m. (0230 hours) PST.

According to sources, PAF F-7MP fighters were supported by two F-16 Fighting Falcons providing back-up which conducted electronic jamming of the intruder IAF 'bandits'. The F-16s were scrambled whereas the F-7MPs were already on Combat Air Patrol (CAP) duty when the incursion occured.

The PAF F-7MP air defence interceptors were immediately vectored by GCI towards the intruding 'bandits' within seconds of their crossing into Pakistan airspace. The PAF fighters intercepted the Indian fighters and 'locked' on them with their missiles. In fighter terms, this is an invitation for a dogfight. However, the IAF fighters refused to engage in return and instead fled straight back into the airspace of Indian-held Kashmir in what PAF pilots perceived was sheer panic. "It was not a very orderly or dignified exit", remarked a PAF officer.

According to PAF sources, even the Dynamic Launch Zone (DLZ) perimetres had been met for launching of the air-to-air missiles which means that the PAF pilots had got the AAM tone indicating the bandits were well within shoot-down range of the PAF fighters. A missile tone is achieved when the missile's infrared heat-seeker or its radar has picked up the hostile aircraft. "It looks as if we gave them a fright", says a PAF officer, "Their RWR signal would have been blasting off in the cockpits as our interceptors tracked them". If the missiles were short-range heat-seeking missiles, then this would imply that the distance between the PAF and the IAF fighters was less than 10 kilometres - "Too close for comfort", as the PAF officer remarked.

PAF fighters did not shoot down the Indian fighters even though they were within range of the air-to-air missiles of the PAF fighters. The Indian fighters were perilously close to the Line of Control and their wreckage may have fallen inside Indian-held Kashmir territory which, going by their track record, would have given the Indian authorities the opportunity to blame the PAF for the intrusion.

According to the PAF Rules of Engagement (ROE), three conditions have to be met in peacetime before an enemy aircraft can be shot down: (i) the enemy aircraft must violate Pakistan's airspace; (ii) it must be a combat aircraft and (iii) its wreckage must fall inside Pakistani territory. 'Peacetime' in the context of India and Pakistan means when no war has been declared.

In this instance, the third criterion may not have been met as the IAF fighters were too close to the LoC and their wreckage may have fallen on either side of the LoC.

"All the intruder Indian fighters fled when our our air defence fighters locked on them", said a PAF officer.


A second intrusion occured seven and a half hours later, at approximately 10:00 a.m. (1000 hours) PST, when two IAF fighter jets violated Pakistan's airspace in the Mushkoh-Olding sector in Jammu & Kashmir. Two F-7MPs were immediately scrambled from a forward PAF air base to intercept the two intruders. However, the IAF jets sensing the PAF fighters fast approaching them, turned back and fled into Indian-held Kashmir before the PAF interceptors could get a missile lock-on them.

In both cases, the IAF intruders had taken off from Srinagar air base, according to PAF GCI controllers.

It is pertinent to mention here that earlier this year, on 27 May 1999, two intruder Indian Air Force MiGs - a MiG-27ML and a MiG-21bis - were shot down by the Air Defence Command of the Pakistan Army using Anza-II SAMs after the IAF jets had violated Pakistan's airspace in the Jammu & Kashmir region. The wreckage of both the Indian aircraft fell 10-12 kilometres inside Pakistani territory near Hamzi Ghund. One Indian pilot, Flt. Lt. K. Nachiketa, was captured whereas the other pilot, Sqn. Ldr. Ajay Ahuja, was killed. Sqn. Ldr. Ahuja's body was returned to India with full military honours and Flt. Lt. Nachiketa was released shortly afterwards.

IAF Mirage-2000 aircraft attempted a lock-on at a PAF F-16A. The PAF F-16 immediately dropped down from 20,000 ft to hardly 500 ft over the terrain and deployed a cloud of chaff. His A/A radar went in standby mode. The Mirage pilot thought that the F-16 had ran away when the F-16 tried to close in on him using the cover of the mountains and valleys.
The F-16 closed in on the Mirage but at 15 nm distance the Mirage pilot again tracked the Viper closing in fast. Equipped with only two Magic-2s, the Mirage pilot banked sharply increasing the range to 20 nm and disengaged with full afterburners.
Fulcrum buzzing Falcon.....Fat Chance
F/L Gaurav Chibber incident - The true story
Armed with four AA-10 and two Magic-2 [or probably AA-11] missiles, Gaurav Chibber a MiG-29 pilot acquired a lock on at two PAF F-16As orbiting over Skardu. The F-16s at once repeated their drill of engine to idle thrust, deploying a cloud of chaff and dropping down from 20,000ft to 500ft AGL with AA Radar on standby mode. Gaurav Chibber must have had a wry smile on his face under his helmet when he lost the lock-on. Angry with the avionics Gaurav again searched for the Vipers when he felt that the avionics of his aircraft had jammed. Gaurav tried all methods and probably had his A/A Radar functional again when he saw no sign of any aircraft in his radar. He felt something suspicious and decided to move out. As he started his way back to the base he saw two tracks appearing suddenly on his A/A Radar from behind. He quickly took evasive action but was relieved that he is well inside his territory and the tracks turned back in Pakistan.
As fate would have it, F/L Gaurav Chibber met his end when the Mig-29 ,he was flying crashed in Bilaspur distric of Himachal Pardesh on August 6, 1999.

At first IAF tried to use military helicopters and conventional aircraft as the Canberra bombers and MiG-21/27 combination. The MiG-21 Bis was inferior than PAF’s F-7MPs and the MiG-27 did not had an A/A radar and was a dedicated ground attack aircraft. When IAF lost some aircraft and helicopters in the earlier days of their campaign they brought in Mirage-2000 and MiG-29 combination.
IAF used PGMs and Laser Guided Bombs from very high altitudes to avoid Stinger SAMs and small arms fire. IAF conducted these attacks with professionalism due to two reasons:
1/- They had no aerial opposition in that region and they knew that PAF will not engage them till they cross the international boundary line.
2/- Their was no threat of medium and high altitude SAMs or jamming systems.

Lessons learnt by PAF

PAF after the conflict learned that:
1/- PAF was lacking BVR capability. A commission was set up and F-16 aircraft conducted live tests of AIM-7F missiles. Chinese version of AIM-7 was also tested but was turned down. South African DARTER series of missiles was approached and successful negotiations took place for the armament for PAF ROSE-II Mirages.
2/- PAF decided to equip all aircraft with all aspect close combat missiles and gradually modified all aircraft to carry AIM-9L and Magic-II all aspect short range missiles.
3/- PAF showed interest in Chinese FT-2000A system which was looked at with suspicion by India that Pakistan might have inducted this system, which in fact is still suspected today.

PAF learnt it lessons well and due to that PAF responded well in the 8 month long OPERATION SENTINEL.
 
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PAF was fully mobilised as the hostilities escalated. PAF pilots had been mobilised a year earlier under the operation code named ‘BEDAAR’. F-16 Fighting Falcons shifted into the Skardu Forward Operational Base. These F-16s had undergone Falcon Upgrades, thanks to the co’operation of Egypt and Turkey, and were prepared to take on the IAF fighters and transport aircraft thus foiling Indian attempts to drop paratroopers behind enemy lines.
A-5s from Peshawar also joined the Vipers. Rest of the Pakistan Air force was deployed as the same manner as it was in Operation Bedaar ’98.

Pakistan Air Force on Red Alert

6th June 1999: The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has been put on 'red alert' due to the increasingly tense situation between Pakistan and India in the disputed territory of Jammu & Kashmir.

The PAF is now in a state of combat readiness at all times and is ready to meet any eventuality that may arise in the coming days. "We are ready for any eventuality" said a PAF officer whose name
has been withheld. "Insha'Allah, we will not disappoint the nation".

PAF air defence fighters, mainly F-7MPs, are maintaining 24 hour 'round-the-clock' Combat Air Patrols (CAPs) on the whole international border between Pakistan and India as well as on the Line
of Control (LoC) in Jammu & Kashmir. The PAF is also conducting CAPs along its coast on the Arabian Sea.

The PAF has the capability to put 200 combat aircraft in the air within a span of 15 minutes of the orders coming in to scramble", remarked a PAF officer.

The PAF's F-7MP air defence fighters are standing on the operational readiness platform (ORP) ramps of the runways in over 30 air fields of Pakistan with pilots sitting inside the cockpits ready to scramble within seconds.

In some of the PAF's forward operational bases (FOBs), PAF F-7MP air defence fighters are on 'hot scramble alert' i.e. stationed at the end of the runways, with pilots inside the cockpits and the aircraft engines running.

"The PAF is in a defensive posture but we have the capability to transform this defensive posture into an offensive one if the enemy dares to violate Pakistan's territory and airspace.", the PAF officer stated. The PAF has armed all its operational combat aircraft with armaments and equipment for their respective roles. "We do not think the Indians are foolish enough to attack Pakistan, but if they are then they will find us ready", said the PAF officer.

He did not rule out the use of the Pakistan Air Force if the Indian Army crossed the LoC in Jammu & Kashmir. "We are watching every move of theirs, our reconnaissance and surveillance aircraft are watching every move they make, if they cross the LoC they will pay a heavy price for such a misadventure".

He said it will be up to the Pakistan Army to call for air support and air strikes. "This will be the Army's decision", he said.

Asked to comment on the reports that IAF Mirage 2000s were conducting jamming operations against Pakistani radar, the PAF officer remarked "We have better jamming equipment than the Mirage 2000s which they are using. We are using electronic countermeasures to spoil their jamming attempts and we are also jamming their aircraft in return".

He said "our aircraft are conducting counter-jamming as well as jamming of IAF and Indian Army radar in Jammu & Kashmir and we have other high technology specialised aircraft for jamming, counter-jamming, airborne early warning and other electronic intelligence roles which will be activated if the need arises".

He declined to comment on unconfirmed reports that a Saudi AWACS and unknown numbers of Saudi F-15s, UAE Mirage 2000s and Chinese F-7s flown by Pakistan Air Force pilots had arrived in Pakistan. "These are rumours", he added. "Whatever we have, the enemy will find out if they attack us".

Rules Of Engagements

According to the PAF Rules of Engagement (ROE), three conditions have to be met in peacetime before an enemy aircraft can be shot down: (i) the enemy aircraft must violate Pakistan's airspace; (ii) it must be a combat aircraft and (iii) its wreckage must fall inside Pakistani territory. 'Peacetime' in the context of India and Pakistan means when no war has been declared.

PAF Engages Indian Air Force
9 July 1999


ISLAMABAD: In what was a classic pre-dawn interception, air defence interceptors of the Pakistan Air Force, comprising of two PAF F-7MP fighter jets, intercepted and engaged intruding Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter jets which crossed the Line of Control in Jammu & Kashmir and violated Pakistan's airspace by several kilometres. The IAF fighters were believed to be two MiG-27ML ground-attack aircraft and two Mirage 2000H fighters providng top cover. The event took place in the early hours of Thursday, 8 July 1999, at approximately 2:30 a.m. (0230 hours) PST.

According to sources, PAF F-7MP fighters were supported by two F-16 Fighting Falcons providing back-up which conducted electronic jamming of the intruder IAF 'bandits'. The F-16s were scrambled whereas the F-7MPs were already on Combat Air Patrol (CAP) duty when the incursion occured.

The PAF F-7MP air defence interceptors were immediately vectored by GCI towards the intruding 'bandits' within seconds of their crossing into Pakistan airspace. The PAF fighters intercepted the Indian fighters and 'locked' on them with their missiles. In fighter terms, this is an invitation for a dogfight. However, the IAF fighters refused to engage in return and instead fled straight back into the airspace of Indian-held Kashmir in what PAF pilots perceived was sheer panic. "It was not a very orderly or dignified exit", remarked a PAF officer.

According to PAF sources, even the Dynamic Launch Zone (DLZ) perimetres had been met for launching of the air-to-air missiles which means that the PAF pilots had got the AAM tone indicating the bandits were well within shoot-down range of the PAF fighters. A missile tone is achieved when the missile's infrared heat-seeker or its radar has picked up the hostile aircraft. "It looks as if we gave them a fright", says a PAF officer, "Their RWR signal would have been blasting off in the cockpits as our interceptors tracked them". If the missiles were short-range heat-seeking missiles, then this would imply that the distance between the PAF and the IAF fighters was less than 10 kilometres - "Too close for comfort", as the PAF officer remarked.

PAF fighters did not shoot down the Indian fighters even though they were within range of the air-to-air missiles of the PAF fighters. The Indian fighters were perilously close to the Line of Control and their wreckage may have fallen inside Indian-held Kashmir territory which, going by their track record, would have given the Indian authorities the opportunity to blame the PAF for the intrusion.

According to the PAF Rules of Engagement (ROE), three conditions have to be met in peacetime before an enemy aircraft can be shot down: (i) the enemy aircraft must violate Pakistan's airspace; (ii) it must be a combat aircraft and (iii) its wreckage must fall inside Pakistani territory. 'Peacetime' in the context of India and Pakistan means when no war has been declared.

In this instance, the third criterion may not have been met as the IAF fighters were too close to the LoC and their wreckage may have fallen on either side of the LoC.

"All the intruder Indian fighters fled when our our air defence fighters locked on them", said a PAF officer.


A second intrusion occured seven and a half hours later, at approximately 10:00 a.m. (1000 hours) PST, when two IAF fighter jets violated Pakistan's airspace in the Mushkoh-Olding sector in Jammu & Kashmir. Two F-7MPs were immediately scrambled from a forward PAF air base to intercept the two intruders. However, the IAF jets sensing the PAF fighters fast approaching them, turned back and fled into Indian-held Kashmir before the PAF interceptors could get a missile lock-on them.

In both cases, the IAF intruders had taken off from Srinagar air base, according to PAF GCI controllers.

It is pertinent to mention here that earlier this year, on 27 May 1999, two intruder Indian Air Force MiGs - a MiG-27ML and a MiG-21bis - were shot down by the Air Defence Command of the Pakistan Army using Anza-II SAMs after the IAF jets had violated Pakistan's airspace in the Jammu & Kashmir region. The wreckage of both the Indian aircraft fell 10-12 kilometres inside Pakistani territory near Hamzi Ghund. One Indian pilot, Flt. Lt. K. Nachiketa, was captured whereas the other pilot, Sqn. Ldr. Ajay Ahuja, was killed. Sqn. Ldr. Ahuja's body was returned to India with full military honours and Flt. Lt. Nachiketa was released shortly afterwards.

IAF Mirage-2000 aircraft attempted a lock-on at a PAF F-16A. The PAF F-16 immediately dropped down from 20,000 ft to hardly 500 ft over the terrain and deployed a cloud of chaff. His A/A radar went in standby mode. The Mirage pilot thought that the F-16 had ran away when the F-16 tried to close in on him using the cover of the mountains and valleys.
The F-16 closed in on the Mirage but at 15 nm distance the Mirage pilot again tracked the Viper closing in fast. Equipped with only two Magic-2s, the Mirage pilot banked sharply increasing the range to 20 nm and disengaged with full afterburners.
Fulcrum buzzing Falcon.....Fat Chance
F/L Gaurav Chibber incident - The true story
Armed with four AA-10 and two Magic-2 [or probably AA-11] missiles, Gaurav Chibber a MiG-29 pilot acquired a lock on at two PAF F-16As orbiting over Skardu. The F-16s at once repeated their drill of engine to idle thrust, deploying a cloud of chaff and dropping down from 20,000ft to 500ft AGL with AA Radar on standby mode. Gaurav Chibber must have had a wry smile on his face under his helmet when he lost the lock-on. Angry with the avionics Gaurav again searched for the Vipers when he felt that the avionics of his aircraft had jammed. Gaurav tried all methods and probably had his A/A Radar functional again when he saw no sign of any aircraft in his radar. He felt something suspicious and decided to move out. As he started his way back to the base he saw two tracks appearing suddenly on his A/A Radar from behind. He quickly took evasive action but was relieved that he is well inside his territory and the tracks turned back in Pakistan.
As fate would have it, F/L Gaurav Chibber met his end when the Mig-29 ,he was flying crashed in Bilaspur distric of Himachal Pardesh on August 6, 1999.

At first IAF tried to use military helicopters and conventional aircraft as the Canberra bombers and MiG-21/27 combination. The MiG-21 Bis was inferior than PAF’s F-7MPs and the MiG-27 did not had an A/A radar and was a dedicated ground attack aircraft. When IAF lost some aircraft and helicopters in the earlier days of their campaign they brought in Mirage-2000 and MiG-29 combination.
IAF used PGMs and Laser Guided Bombs from very high altitudes to avoid Stinger SAMs and small arms fire. IAF conducted these attacks with professionalism due to two reasons:
1/- They had no aerial opposition in that region and they knew that PAF will not engage them till they cross the international boundary line.
2/- Their was no threat of medium and high altitude SAMs or jamming systems.

Lessons learnt by PAF

PAF after the conflict learned that:
1/- PAF was lacking BVR capability. A commission was set up and F-16 aircraft conducted live tests of AIM-7F missiles. Chinese version of AIM-7 was also tested but was turned down. South African DARTER series of missiles was approached and successful negotiations took place for the armament for PAF ROSE-II Mirages.
2/- PAF decided to equip all aircraft with all aspect close combat missiles and gradually modified all aircraft to carry AIM-9L and Magic-II all aspect short range missiles.
3/- PAF showed interest in Chinese FT-2000A system which was looked at with suspicion by India that Pakistan might have inducted this system, which in fact is still suspected today.

PAF learnt it lessons well and due to that PAF responded well in the 8 month long OPERATION SENTINEL.
tasallee he hai chahy dil ko jitnee marzi day lo.

in the end we lost bhai g. and its a bitter truth.
 
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tasallee he hai chahy dil ko jitnee marzi day lo.

in the end we lost bhai g. and its a bitter truth.
Dil ko tasali deney sey nateja tabdeel nai ho jata.....
Are we discussing the conflict or the war here. ??? NO.....you see it took the Indians 50 years to finally admit that they lost around 40 aircraft due to PAF strikes in the first two days of 1965 war. There's plenty of false claims circulating even now which have to be countered and debunked... in any case, even now some Indians with their head on shoulders are admitting that India never won Kargil on it's own accord rather Pakistan and particularly Nawaz Shariff buckled under US pressure and forced to withdraw.

@Bilal Khan 777 @Oscar @Irfan Baloch @Xeric @Tipu7 @HRK

Your thoughts gentlemen.
 
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tasallee he hai chahy dil ko jitnee marzi day lo.

in the end we lost bhai g. and its a bitter truth.

Scroll to end the of the article as
Lessons learnt by PAF

and compare toady's PAF with what it was back then. PAF's post 2006 era is full of hi tech equipment inductions and steps that had bolstered its capacity to strike hard when required.

Moral: PAF has learnt even those lessons which were suppose to be learnt in case of any future eventuality (GOD forbid there be any).
 
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How IAF Firepower Severely Dented Pakistan’s Psyche During The Kargil War

http://swarajyamag.com/defence/how-...dented-pakistans-psyche-during-the-kargil-war

Yup, we can see the big dent right there.


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@Windjammer

IAF challenged PAF ; PAF refused the challenge

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http://swarajyamag.com/defence/how-...dented-pakistans-psyche-during-the-kargil-war

Lambeth quotes Air Marshal (retired) Vinod Patney, the then head of Western Air Command:

“I think my insistence to mount CAPs across the (command’s entire area of responsibility) at different heights and times to give the message that I was ready and angling for an enlarged conflict helped.

It was akin to throwing a glove, but it was not picked up.”
 
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@Windjammer

IAF challenged PAF ; PAF refused the challenge

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http://swarajyamag.com/defence/how-...dented-pakistans-psyche-during-the-kargil-war

Lambeth quotes Air Marshal (retired) Vinod Patney, the then head of Western Air Command:

“I think my insistence to mount CAPs across the (command’s entire area of responsibility) at different heights and times to give the message that I was ready and angling for an enlarged conflict helped.

It was akin to throwing a glove, but it was not picked up.”
Yea, IAF challenged from their own air space,
Since Pakistani forces had occupied Indian bunkers on Kargil hills, shot down two fighter jets and a helicopter, what stopped IAF from carrying out cross border strikes.... nothing but lies and nonsense to keep up the tail.... and if Kargil wasn't enough proof then 2002 decisevly proved that IAF had no appetite for combat.
 
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On 12 June 1999, Pakistani Foreign Minister Sartaj Aziz hastily arrived in New Delhi, ostensibly to discuss ways of ending the Kargil War. Aziz, who deeply resents India, had landed with a single agenda – he implored India to “stop its airstrikes”.

Here was a conservative hawk, who is known to attack India in the most vicious manner, begging New Delhi to call off the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) round-the-clock barrage on Pakistani positions. You don’t get more desperate than that.

Aziz’s desperation was a result of the incredible display of firepower that the IAF – in tandem with the Indian Army’s 24/7 artillery barrage – had brought to bear on the Pakistanis. The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-16s had been repeatedly buzzed by India’s MiG-29s, and the PAF pilots had simply refused to offer combat. This had allowed the Indian Army and the IAF’s ground attack jets to blast away with impunity.

Aziz hadn’t come to buy peace; he had come to buy time, and Pakistan Army lives. It wasn’t ‘international’ (read American) pressure that made him dash to New Delhi but the desire to save the Pakistani military establishment from a humiliating 1971 war-like defeat.

http://swarajyamag.com/defence/how-...dented-pakistans-psyche-during-the-kargil-war

@Windjammer

You want to talk of 2002
The fact is THIS

Pakistan and General Musharraf said to USA that PAF cannot defend and Pakistan will resort to an
IMMEDIATE nuclear strike if India attacked

This was the level of confidence of PAF
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Because of the aerial superiority achieved by the IAF in the war – and later during the 2002 border standoff – the PAF’s “psyche took a big beating”, says a Strategy Page report.


The situation changed little during the 2002 border crisis between India and Pakistan. Strategy Page adds:

“One Pakistani military expert observed that the PAF’s perceived inability to defend the country’s airspace and even put up a token fight against the IAF was the biggest driver for Pakistani leaders’ warnings that any Indian attack would lead to an immediate nuclear strike by Islamabad.

It would be no exaggeration to say that after the Kargil and 2002 experiences, PAF’s psyche took a big beating.”

http://swarajyamag.com/defence/how-...dented-pakistans-psyche-during-the-kargil-war
 
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Why is that every Six Months since PDF started (how many years is that?) That a thread like this is stated again? Are we that sad that there is no current topic to discussed?
 
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We have a single pic to cheer about and that is of a aircraft which we shot down through Anza. Nothing else other than that. God forbid if we have another war with India we will be left with this pic only and some people will keep on opening threads with same picture on it.
 
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We have a single pic to cheer about and that is of a aircraft which we shot down through Anza. Nothing else other than that. God forbid if we have another war with India we will be left with this pic only and some people will keep on opening threads with same picture on it.

You are a WISE person ; Welcome to PDF
 
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@Windjammer

Your Original post is Nothing but FULL of lies and the BIGGEST FAIRY TALE
ever written in Human History

It took Seventeen YEARS for you to write this FAIRY TALE
Change your lines and tune before @Oscar gives you another clipping around the ear,
The fact you are in so much bother proves how facing the reality is troubling you.
You people are just victims of your own media that feeds you BS on daily basis.
Here's some more stark realities for your absent mind, it was your PM who first wrote to Bill Clinton requesting help to end the war.

Internationalising Kashmir

The Vajpayee Government, however, has not confined itself to diplomatic efforts to mobilise international public opinion. It has gone considerably further in efforts to enlist the help of the United States to end the present conflict. The Vajpayee Government has been hailing the U.S. position as a vindication of its stand on the Kargil issue. Prime Minister Vajpayee wrote a letter to President Bill Clinton which was handed over to the U.S. National Security Adviser, Sandy Berger, in Geneva on June 16. The contents of the letter have not been published; it is reported that India requested the U.S., prior to the G-8 summit in Cologne, to stop Pakistan from getting loans from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and other multilateral agencies. The Government and BJP spokesmen have appealed to the U.S. to follow up its stand that the LoC should not be violated, with concrete steps to make Pakistan withdraw its forces from the infiltrated areas. These moves by the Vajpayee Government have the potential to help internationalise the Kashmir issue.
 
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