vish
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And thats exactly why IA did not 'stop' taking casualties anymore than they took those positions. I agree, your mass infantry attacks were stupid and they didnt work which would OBVIOUSLY mean that they took casualties. And as far as I'm concerned, "mass infantry attacks" are hardly ever used as 'probing parties' meant to 'examine and analyse the enemy's positions', they tend to come after that. So you have contradicted yourself and proved my point, I know many of your probing parties were wiped off, that doesnt mean those who followed did much better. And as far as artillery and the IAF is concerned, that wasnt much help either given the terrain and fortifications; that much has been confirmed by members of your own military as well as foriegn observers, so I wont bother going into it.
But feel free to refute all this, I'm sure it must be hard acknowledging you took casualties at the hands of Pakistanis in a head on fight. Surely, most of your dead were scouts just 'checking out' our positions, not those assaulting it, is what keeps you comforted. So 'spoting' one of your own bunkers from a far is much more dangerous than storming it eh? The writer of the article got this aspect of the Indian mind-frame right atleast.
You jump the gun; you assume that me being an Indian would have trouble accepting that IA's jawans were killed by PA soldiers; you talk about logic: that my friend is a contradiction.
I said the probing parties were followed by massed infantry attacks; you assumed there were large probing parties.
I said the IA did suffer most of its casualities in these initial stages (both with probing operations and infantry attacks); you assume that I'll have trouble accepting IA's casualities.
The artillery and the IAF played a very significant role in the conflict; this has been acknowledged by one and all. In some places both artillery and airpower were ineffective; herein, the IA did the things the good old fashioned way.
Sources: 1999 Kargil Conflict
So you yourself have agreed your international standing was fragile enough to be undermind by tactical attacks across the LoC. And on the other hand you seem to think India can just walk over Pakistan in a full scale war and the world wont say anything? But surely if Pakistan was so 'internationaly isolated' you would have had nothing to worry about here? Impailed by your own rhetoric eh?
You are free to dream all you want, but the fact is there is no way you can know that. Pakistan was not nearly as isolated as you like to hope, no more than we were in the last couple of wars for that matter. It is useless arguing with some one like you on this point, feel free to think what you want, but dont expect us to fall for it because we know something about war too. And more so about our country and its defences than you ever will.
Again thanks, actually I do regularly(wish I could same the thing about you though)
The reason we did not cross the LoC had nothing to do with our "fragile" (perhaps only according to you) international position. We did not want you to have any room; had we crossed the LoC the international goodwill would have been weakened. Pakistan was internationally isolated; even the PRC refused to "support" it.
Impailed by own rhetoric; glad to hear your generalization and personal slur.
I never said IA will roll over Pakistan and PA would do nothing about it; I said that had an all-out war broken out Pakistan would have lost much more; you assume something particularly contrary.
"hahaha" would mean I am laughing, which I was at your friends feinted confidence despite not knowing Kargil happened 10 years from now. Lecturing us(like you) about what this military analysis has to say is nonsense...was and is pretty funny seeing the amount of credibility you have to back it up, but surely you didnt need me to spill all that out for you? Hope that answered your question, so perhaps you can find it in youself to forgive my amusement.
So, let me get this straight, "hahahaha" implies you have nothing to say. Thanks.