Karakorum - 8 (K-8) | Jet Trainer Aircraft.

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Considering the love of Italian tech in PAF might be an option as well
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Leonardo M346 - Fascinating Aircraft.

I've had the pleasure of being up close to it at last years Air Show, and she truly is a beauty.

I suppose you could compare the M346 with a Alfa Romeo Giulia. Small, Fast, Reliable and extremely expensive for its category.

PAF currently has 38 K-8's in its inventory.

If we were to compare the M346 with the L-15, this is what it'll look like - more or less.

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The price quoted for both may be at flyaway conditions. That being said, a fully loaded M346 could actually go up to the price of a JF-17 Block II. Whereas, the Chinese could bring the price down for a loaded L-15.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa)​

@araz @airomerix @Hodor @Knuckles @Adam_Khan @GriffinsRule @Akh1112 @HRK @khanasifm @Mirage Battle Commander @mingle @NA71 @Pakistani Fighter @PanzerKiel @Path-Finder @Signalian @Stealth @StormBreaker @TheTallGuy @ziaulislam @PradoTLC

 

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Leonardo M346 - Fascinating Aircraft.

I've had the pleasure of being up close to it at last years Air Show, and she truly is a beauty.

I suppose you could compare the M346 with a Alfa Romeo Giulia. Small, Fast, Reliable and extremely expensive for its category.

PAF currently has 38 K-8's in its inventory.

If we were to compare the M346 with the L-15, this is what it'll look like - more or less.

​

The price quoted for both may be at flyaway conditions. That being said, a fully loaded M346 could actually go up to the price of a JF-17 Block II. Whereas, the Chinese could bring the price down for a loaded L-15.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa)​

@araz @airomerix @Hodor @Knuckles @Adam_Khan @GriffinsRule @Akh1112 @HRK @khanasifm @Mirage Battle Commander @mingle @NA71 @Pakistani Fighter @PanzerKiel @Path-Finder @Signalian @Stealth @StormBreaker @TheTallGuy @ziaulislam @PradoTLC

possible option and we all know quality has its own merit SAR are Chinese as well and Italian defense industry saw jump of whooping 400/500 Million US $ in couple of years from Pakistan ,some thing from 200 odd million to 700 million $. Pakistan is lucrative market and please for the love of God stop comparing 2 of them ,This is scenario where we are saying PAF needs replacement of trainers

 

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...and please for the love of God stop comparing 2 of them.

Look, its comparison of either these two or the Yak-130 and/or the KAI T-50.

If one is looking for just the purpose of Trainers, than I don't see anything wrong with the L-15, however, if you're looking a lil' extra kick out of 'em..., then yeah - the M346 is ideal.

This is scenario where we are saying PAF needs replacement of trainers

Yeah, ofcourse this is only in the scenario if PAF was looking at replacements of Trainers. Highly unlikely, though.

 

[Adam_Khan]

Look, its comparison of either these two or the Yak-130 and/or the KAI T-50.

If one is looking for just the purpose of Trainers, than I don't see anything wrong with the L-15, however, if you're looking a lil' extra kick out of 'em..., then yeah - the M346 is ideal.

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Yeah, ofcourse this is only in the scenario if PAF was looking at replacements of Trainers. Highly unlikely, though.

Hell of a kick I agree but will cost more than a JF.17.

 

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Hell of a kick I agree but will cost more than a JF.17.

Price being kept aside, the elephant in the room is the obvious: the Honeywell F124 turbofan engines.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Price being kept aside, the elephant in the room is the obvious: the Honeywell F124 turbofan engines.

That's not a big deal. K-8s are flying with American engines right?

 

[mingle]

Leonardo M346 - Fascinating Aircraft.

I've had the pleasure of being up close to it at last years Air Show, and she truly is a beauty.

I suppose you could compare the M346 with a Alfa Romeo Giulia. Small, Fast, Reliable and extremely expensive for its category.

PAF currently has 38 K-8's in its inventory.

If we were to compare the M346 with the L-15, this is what it'll look like - more or less.

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The price quoted for both may be at flyaway conditions. That being said, a fully loaded M346 could actually go up to the price of a JF-17 Block II. Whereas, the Chinese could bring the price down for a loaded L-15.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa)​

@araz @airomerix @Hodor @Knuckles @Adam_Khan @GriffinsRule @Akh1112 @HRK @khanasifm @Mirage Battle Commander @mingle @NA71 @Pakistani Fighter @PanzerKiel @Path-Finder @Signalian @Stealth @StormBreaker @TheTallGuy @ziaulislam @PradoTLC

Alpha Romeo

 

[Trailer23]

That's not a big deal. K-8s are flying with American engines right?

That was then. Who's to know if they'd pull a fast one now.

Alpha Romeo

www.alfaromeo.com

 

[Adam_Khan]

That's not a big deal. K-8s are flying with American engines right?

Not sure if the other operators are also using the honeywell engine,it has had a superb safety record in Paf. Only one crash in almost 26 years service and that too was due to a bird hit.

 

[air marshal]

https://falcons.pk/photo/Hongdu-K-8P-Karakorum/2819

 

[Akh1112]

That was then. Who's to know if they'd pull a fast one now.

www.alfaromeo.com

The Americans have no issue working with us directly, they more were punishing Turkey by withholding the export license for the T129's

 

[jupiter2007]

Look, its comparison of either these two or the Yak-130 and/or the KAI T-50.

If one is looking for just the purpose of Trainers, than I don't see anything wrong with the L-15, however, if you're looking a lil' extra kick out of 'em..., then yeah - the M346 is ideal.

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Yeah, ofcourse this is only in the scenario if PAF was looking at replacements of Trainers. Highly unlikely, though.

Look, its comparison of either these two or the Yak-130 and/or the KAI T-50.

If one is looking for just the purpose of Trainers, than I don't see anything wrong with the L-15, however, if you're looking a lil' extra kick out of 'em..., then yeah - the M346 is ideal.

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Yeah, ofcourse this is only in the scenario if PAF was looking at replacements of Trainers. Highly unlikely, though.

I thought Italy offered M346 to Pakistan. I would love PAF to have it but it cost as much as JF-17 block2.

 

[Nomad40]

Leonardo M346 - Fascinating Aircraft.

I've had the pleasure of being up close to it at last years Air Show, and she truly is a beauty.

I suppose you could compare the M346 with a Alfa Romeo Giulia. Small, Fast, Reliable and extremely expensive for its category.

PAF currently has 38 K-8's in its inventory.

If we were to compare the M346 with the L-15, this is what it'll look like - more or less.

View attachment 650073
​

The price quoted for both may be at flyaway conditions. That being said, a fully loaded M346 could actually go up to the price of a JF-17 Block II. Whereas, the Chinese could bring the price down for a loaded L-15.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa)​

@araz @airomerix @Hodor @Knuckles @Adam_Khan @GriffinsRule @Akh1112 @HRK @khanasifm @Mirage Battle Commander @mingle @NA71 @Pakistani Fighter @PanzerKiel @Path-Finder @Signalian @Stealth @StormBreaker @TheTallGuy @ziaulislam @PradoTLC

PAF can Easily upgrade FT-7pg to LIFT.

 

[GriffinsRule]

PAF can Easily upgrade FT-7pg to LIFT.

No it cant. And JF-17 is not an expensive fighter. LIFT aircraft may cost just as much, but thats not somehow a bad thing on its own.

 

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PAF can Easily upgrade FT-7pg to LIFT.

Seriously.
At this point - how can you even put 'FT-7pg' and 'upgrade' in the same sentence?

[Jaan chutay uun manhoos jahazö say - jald-say-jald]
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I can't wait for them to be replaced by what..., 2025[InshahAllah].