Karachi should be made a separate province

[W.11]

Perhaps Karachi needs to be liberated from the Mafia known as MQM first, maybe than we would think about it.

sorry bro you cant eliminate the mandate of karachi, its like wishing for PMLN to be wiped out of punjab

you cant just keeping eliminating one's mandate either be it PPP in sindh, PMLN in punjab and PTI in KPK

 

[Edevelop]

Whatever happened to that Bahawalpur Province we heard so much about it in 2012?

Before partition Bahawalpur was an independent state. People talking about it becoming a province, is a good call.

As far as Serikis are concerned, it has always been part of Punjab. Dirty politiics is behind it. PPP in particular wants it to become a province due to the fact that there are Feudals, having relationship with Sindhis and in long term, it would benefit them to gain vote.

 

[Leader]

it will become the direct manipulation of the federal government, is that the reaon why provinces were given provincial autonomy? and all powers were decentralised?

fed constituencies are independent. its like self governing cities, completely delegated authority to the city itself with Mayor as its Premier, only defence, communications, and foreign affairs remain with the federal.

 

[pkuser2k12]

it will become the direct manipulation of the federal government, is that the reaon why provinces were given provincial autonomy? and all powers were decentralised?



you are an idiot, its the wish for all the karachiites

this thread is not about how its not possible but it asks, should this be allowed or not for its advantages or disadvantages

it is going to be through mechanism

if i say can imran can be prime minister logically people will answer no as he doesn't have necessary vote in NA fot this(The mechanism comes to mind logically)

AS IT IS APPARENT FROM MY PREVIOUS POST THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE MADE A PROVINCE AND I ALSO VOTED FOR IT

CHOICE COMES IF MECHANISM ALLOWS IT WHICH IS 2/3 MAJORITY FROM SINDH AND NATIONAL ASSEMBLY


AS I SAID BEFORE

ant gonna happen sindh assembly will not approve it with 2/3 majority as ppp does not want this .and they are in majority.

then it should also have to be approved by national assembly with 2/3 majority.

 

[RangerPK]

sorry bro you cant eliminate the mandate of karachi, its like wishing for PMLN to be wiped out of punjab

you cant just keeping eliminating one's mandate either be it PPP in sindh, PMLN in punjab and PTI in KPK

I think people might have realized by now, where does the "mandate" of MQM comes from.

MQM is famous for Bhata Khori, murder, bori and rigging the elections. They are known for ruining Karachi..

 

[Kompromat]

Pakistan needs at least 80-100 specially administered zones with a robust local governance system. It will weaken the sardari hold on our provincial politics and we can micro manage our economy more easier. The very concept of states and provinces is trash, it should be weakened by seeding power to the most remote level possible.

 

[W.11]

Pakistan needs at least 80-100 specially administered zones with a robust local governance system. It will weaken the sardari hold on our provincial politics and we can micro manage our economy more easier. The very concept of states and provinces is trash, it should be weakened by seeding power to the most remote level possible.

what you are suggesting is not even remotely possible in the current system of governance, what is possible is karachi being made separate province

 

[Kompromat]

what you are suggesting is not even remotely possible in the current system of governance, what is possible is karachi being made separate province

That wont solve ANY problem. The provinces/SEZs need to be developed on administrative basis. Turkey might be a good blueprint for us.

 

[W.11]

That wont solve ANY problem. The provinces/SEZs need to be developed on administrative basis. Turkey might be a good blueprint for us.

if karachi is made separate province, it will have its own local body system and thus yes it will solve the problem

police wont be manipulated by sindh government and other departments

 

[Kompromat]

@W.11

You have a 'very' simplistic approach towards it, i don't buy it. If new provinces are to be made, lets make a 100 tiny ones. Creating more provinces without proper planning, will be a disaster.

The goal is to provide good governance, and to obliterate the Sardari nizam. That will be achieved only if the provincial govt is, weakened and new SAZs are more integrated with the federation.

My idea is to turn every zila into a province,each of whom must prove itself worthy of Federal funding. It must have a microeconomics model,an industrial zone in each and a robust tax system.

For the size of Karachi,we need to have 15 tiny provinces or special administration zones. That model should be applied to Punjab...make 50 SAZs out of it.Then the same should be done to other provinces.

Next thing you'll know is the unsustainable sardari system is on a decline and Federation is able to provide good governance more easily.

 

[W.11]

@W.11

You have a 'very' simplistic approach towards it, i don't buy it. If new provinces are to be made, lets make a 100 tiny ones. Creating more provinces without proper planning, will be a disaster.

The goal is to provide good governance, and to obliterate the Sardari nizam. That will be achieved only if the provincial govt is, weakened and new SAZs are more integrated with the federation.

My idea is to turn every zila into a province,each of whom must prove itself worthy of Federal funding. It must have a microeconomics model,an industrial zone in each and a robust tax system.

For the size of Karachi,we need to have 15 tiny provinces or special administration zones. That model should be applied to Punjab...make 50 SAZs out of it.Then the same should be done to other provinces.

Next thing you'll know is the unsustainable sardari system is on a decline and Federation is able to provide good governance more easily.

creating so many provinces require money which currently pakistan doesnt have, money is generated by karachi so it should have its own administration and dynamics of karachi is a lot different then entire pakistan, karachi is multi ethnic

making hundred provinces will also demand too much time for planning and implementing which karachi doesnt have

and generating so many province wont change the dynamics of the smaller units of lets say sindh of punjab, that system cant be applicable under current government which is not even in favour of local body system

dividing karachi into 15 more provinces is like dividing newyork city into 15 different pieces, karachi already has four to five zones which will function under same mayor/local government

 

[Slayer786]

It is a touchy subject. Some people believe if it is made separate maybe they will lose Karachi. How can that be? Karachi will always be a part of Pakistan. Now there will always be a difference of opinion here, but lets think logically. If by separating Karachi develops and become a model state, wont that be good for Pakistan. The federal govt will always control the law enforcement agencies but the rest should be given to the local govt. People of karachi should vote and elect honest people to run them. During the local elections, army should be placed on ALL polling booths so that no chance of rigging. It is time to move forward.

 

[jbond197]

I guess it will not be a bad idea. More over many more provinces should be carved out of big states like Punjab. Smaller provinces are easy to administer. In India, look at Punjab, Haryana, Himachal they were carved out of Punjab and now are doing much better than many of the bigger states of India.

My view is just from the administration point of view.

 

[Slayer786]

I guess it will not be a bad idea. More over many more provinces should be carved out of big states like Punjab. Smaller provinces are easy to administer. In India, look at Punjab, Haryana, Himachal they were carved out of Punjab and now are doing much better than many of the bigger states of India.

My view is just from the administration point of view.

Thankyou thats makes sense. Spearting of province should be based for economic reason and not beacuse of ethnic tensions. We should take an example of the Indian states.

 

[tarrar]

Making Karachi a seprate Province will give MQM half victory for their dream to have a sperate country.

My answer is NO.