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looks lovely
I wana see a BVR Missile on both wings
I had put this question in the other thread but since this is the proper K-8 thread so let me repeat.
Since K8 is a joint pakistan/china project and quite an old one, how comes we still are getting these planes from china? We want to manufacture a multi-role fighter plane here but cant build a trainer jet? and that too as we are acquiring quite a few of K8 so it makes sense to build them here, no?
So my question is
1. Do we manufacture any part of the K8 or is it totally build in china?
2. The facility to build the JF-17, is it a new one? if not what other project have been carried out in that location?
lol
and probably with an aesa radar and TVC too, right?
I had put this question in the other thread but since this is the proper K-8 thread so let me repeat.
Since K8 is a joint pakistan/china project and quite an old one, how comes we still are getting these planes from china? We want to manufacture a multi-role fighter plane here but cant build a trainer jet? and that too as we are acquiring quite a few of K8 so it makes sense to build them here, no?
So my question is
1. Do we manufacture any part of the K8 or is it totally build in china?
2. The facility to build the JF-17, is it a new one? if not what other project have been carried out in that location?
I had put this question in the other thread but since this is the proper K-8 thread so let me repeat.
Since K8 is a joint pakistan/china project and quite an old one, how comes we still are getting these planes from china? We want to manufacture a multi-role fighter plane here but cant build a trainer jet? and that too as we are acquiring quite a few of K8 so it makes sense to build them here, no?
So my question is
1. Do we manufacture any part of the K8 or is it totally build in china?
2. The facility to build the JF-17, is it a new one? if not what other project have been carried out in that location?
PAF has about 40 K-8s. We don't know how many they plan to have in the next 5 or 10 years. The planes Zimbabwe bought were at $4.2m each. PAF will get them cheaper because they invested in the development. If say, they get the planes about 25% cheaper, it means PAF would have saved about $40m on the 40 planes. Now, how much does it take to build the factory, buy the equipment, train the people and keep the line running? Very likely more than the $40m they would be saving, i.e. overall, it is cheaper to buy from China.
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Also, considering that PAF have know the JF-17 is coming, it would be the more important project and they you have decided to put manufacturing efforts/resources there instead. Aircraft making skills? ... ... they knew JF-17 was on the way, to give them better skills than from the K-8s.
Joint designing and production of the K-8 (Karakoram) advanced jet trainer by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Kamra, and China's Nanchang Aircraft Manufacturing Company (NAMC). The current manufacture is being done at the NAMC. Pakistan had earlier unilaterally developed a similar aircraft, but sought a partnership with China to further advance production and technology standards of that aircraft. It first flew in 1990 and is intended to completely replace the T-37s in service with the PAF by 2005. The total order for the PAF may reach upto 100 aircraft.
* AMF manufactures certain sub-assemblies for the K-8. The aircraft, described as an intermediate and advanced jet trainer, is assembled in China, with its parts being made in both countries. Plans call for Pakistan's share in the co-production of the aircraft to be increased from the present 25 per cent to 45 per cent by 2001, following which the plane would be considered for assembly at Kamra.
* Earlier, PAC officials had dropped plans to set up an assembly line for the K-8 at Kamra due to various constraints, including infrastructure problems. Instead, it had been decided that the PAC would increase its share in the production of high-value components, including fin, horizontal stabilizer, elevator, engine cowling and spare parts support.
* When Mushaf Ali Mir took over as DG PAC, however, he pushed hard for going ahead with the plan to assemble the K-8 in Pakistan. Export sales of PAC-assembled K-8s, he argued, could become a source of substantial foreign currency earnings for Pakistan. As air chief, he would now be in a better position to ensure that this message gets to be heard in the highest quarters of the Pakistan government.
Initially the plan was for pakistan to have its own production line, but this plan was later shelved as it was considered uneconomical.
Pakistan produces about 40% of the parts for the k-8; whether these are used for pakistani k-8's , or all k-8's produced in china, I don't know.
When the country was under US embargo, the plan was to replace all T-37 basic trainers with K-8's asap, as spare parts for the t-37 would not be available. My guess is that as it is now easier to keep the T-37's flying, the rate of induction of the K-8 is slower that it was planned back then.
Everybody considers the technical aspect of defence production, few consider the economic one.