K-P starts reconstruction of Hindu temple, SC told

[wolfschanzze]

And While in Bharat, we give them all the rights to build and preach their religion.Why shouldn't Hindus implement such laws for Muslims in Bharat?

 

[Viny]

The report said that to keep harmony between the two religious communities of the area, reconstruction has started on five conditions agreed upon by both the communities during different meetings.

1. The Hindu community will not preach their religion.

2. They will only be allowed to offer their prayers.

3. They will not be allowed to arrange huge religious gatherings at the Samadhi.

4. They will not be allowed to construct any large-scale prayer place on the site.

5. They will not be allowed to purchase any further land in the areas and will be restricted to the premises of the Samadhi.

Is this what you call religious freedom?
Not allow to preach, not allow to do religious gathering, not allow to construct prayer place.

Such an insecure country and religion at large.

Is hinduism organized? They allow and disallow everything at will...it is not a set of beliefs

Hinduism is a way of life based on Karma, all the practicalities , beliefs and culture is is custom build by individuals, groups , societies etc to enjoy or attain the Hinduism way of life. Hence there is so much diversity.

 

[Dubious]

A framework allows for different systems to co-exist. Didn't you read what I wrote? Each system has a rule. But it doesn't mean there has to be one homogeneous system with one set of rules.

But rules never contradict each other hence why they become laws and rules not theory....

1 god or 2 million is a VERY clear contradiction....no need to even look further!

Not all can be right for all levels.

When the start up is confusing 1 or 2 million who wants to look deeper for more mistakes?

An a working system is only formed when the rules work if they can be changed at will they are not rules nor laws coz they dont adhere to principals

Like if gravity wished to change at will, for sure nothing would be on the planet for long and would be roaming in space!

Hinduism is akin to science and science cannot be homogeneous.

Really?

. Laws of Newtonian mechanics will apply to large objects, but at the subatomic scales Quantum mechanics prevail. Similarly, Bhakti yoga will help those who are uninitiated, but for those who have conditioned minds and the capacity to understand, Jnana yoga is the path to follow.

Ahhh discrimination as usual...If you are not good enough you get the lower rank forget trying to make yourself good you just get awarded anyway ...Imagine that in reality....If ministers get awarded for not doing their work, where will the country go and how will it develop?

Also, just like science, Hinduism evolves.

If Newtonian mechanics was considered the final word, then there will be no place for Quantum mechanics. Similarly, if Samkhya was considered the final word, then there will be no place for Yoga, Nyaya or Vedanta. Get it?

Then it is not a law but theory...The only reason science evolves is coz we dont know it to its maximum potential and keep finding new pieces of the puzzle...If Hinduism is missing some pieces in its puzzle it is not perfect nor is it worth to be called a set of laws.....

If gravity wished to evolve at will, just imagine how much chaos we would have!

Here is where Islam differs, we consider everyone equal (in the state of trying to achieve to be better hence all laws apply to everyone...no one gets the special quota system and no one is above the law....

Then all laws are same (in the Quran) only things that change are some laws based on improvement (like now we have DNA and forensics which were not in the law but the word proof is used so if DNA comes in as proof it is proof) but the base remains...Everyone asks from the same god in the same manner no one gets special attention or yoga or whatever treatment....

You do sin you WILL be punished ...You do good you WILL be rewarded...no matter you are brown, orange, pink, yellow, green or white the same laws apply...

Get it? As simple as can be nothing special for the special criers...

The idea of numbers can arise only in the space-time continuum. Before there was a Big Bang, or to be more precise out of the realms of space and time, there exists no numbers. In a singularity there is neither 1 nor 2 million. When you give a number, then it can be 1 and 2 million and infinity. Not common sense. Logic.

Yes but that was before, we are talking about now...if there were 2 million or 1 before it would remain the same esp if it is one who you ask things from and remember or pray to....until and unless your god is like mercury and splits and recombines...but even when it splits it still looks like the same thing as it was when it was in its combined form doesnt change form...

You got a problem?

You are the one the problem with the nation as you mentioned:

the notion that a religion has to have a dogma and a set of rules, all explained in a single book and we should all follow those rules like zombies.

Is this what you call religious freedom?
Not allow to preach, not allow to do religious gathering, not allow to construct prayer place.

Sorry it is not India where you hide behind freedom of shit and give not an ounce of freedom ...we are not hypocrites...

Such an insecure country and religion at large.

The religion is non living it doesnt require to be protected however, human beings and confusion coming from across the border does, the people agreed and accepted the terms whats your problem? You not happy in india doesnt mean you come here and spit your venom if you are happy in india then good stay in your land stop being a busy body aunty!

 

[Jaanbaz]

1. The Hindu community will not preach their religion.

2. They will only be allowed to offer their prayers.

3. They will not be allowed to arrange huge religious gatherings at the Samadhi.

4. They will not be allowed to construct any large-scale prayer place on the site.

5. They will not be allowed to purchase any further land in the areas and will be restricted to the premises of the Samadhi.

Imagine if all Non Muslim countries had the same rules regarding Islam and Muslims. What kind of double standards is this? Everyone should have the right to practice and preach their faith.

 

[Dubious]

Hinduism is a way of life based on Karma, all the practicalities , beliefs and culture is is custom build by individuals, groups , societies etc to enjoy or attain the Hinduism way of life. Hence there is so much diversity.

So basically even a murderer can walk free and wait for karma to hit him....if he is lucky it just might miss him...That just mean you are bound by karma ...and nothing you do can change it...so one who murders and repents is too late karma hit him already...damn what a weird way to live....

So if everything is man made it is not divine hence not a religion as it is not from god

Imagine if all Non Muslim countries had the same rules regarding Islam and Muslims. What kind of double standards is this? Everyone should have the right to practice and preach their faith.

They have the right to practice just not preach we already have mentally sick people combining discrimination practices from across the border....

As for freedom of preaching...You have a problem Saudi preaching their crap in madrassa but you have absolutely no problem with hindus twisting Islam or sending any form of weirdos like RSS from across the border....that is sad

 

[Josef K]

Yes but that was before, we are talking about now...if there were 2 million or 1 before it would remain the same esp if it is one who you ask things from and remember or pray to....until and unless your god is like mercury and splits and recombines...but even when it splits it still looks like the same thing as it was when it was in its combined form doesnt change form...

Before and now? Does God change in number before and now? Hinduism is very clear about the existence of Brahman as the only primordial Consciousness. But that is not God. The idea of God as a single number itself appears after numbers start to exist. But for that the space-time continuum has to exist. Then again God cannot exist as a single number or a multiple number within this space-time because, It is the one that gives rise to this. Within the space-time continuum, to satisfy the human need for quantifying things we give a quantity to God. As it is since we have assigned a physical dimension to God, which itself cannot be logical, then why stop at that? You can assign any number of anthromorphical features and any number of forms and have umpteen number of deities. The problem of 1 or million arises only when you quantify something that is not quantifiable. Hinduism hence becomes very clear in this saying that Brahman is neither one nor many. However Hinduism also agrees that deities are many. Even the mercury example that you gave, quantifies that glob of mercury as one. Hinduism says there is not even 1, because Brahman is beond that.

When the start up is confusing 1 or 2 million who wants to look deeper for more mistakes?

An a working system is only formed when the rules work if they can be changed at will they are not rules nor laws coz they dont adhere to principals

Like if gravity wished to change at will, for sure nothing would be on the planet for long and would be roaming in space!

But rules never contradict each other hence why they become laws and rules not theory....

1 god or 2 million is a VERY clear contradiction....no need to even look further!

Then why does gravity become irrelevant at quantum levels. Why does a electron not behave like a particle, but instead appears like a wave in double slit experiment, even when the rules say it should be forming impingement patterns and not diffraction patterns? Also why does light waves form an impingement pattern in that same experiment instead of forming diffraction patterns when we expect them to?

Rules can apply for men. You cannot even apply a rule to an electron/light-wave and you want to apply a number value to something that is unquantifiable?

Then it is not a law but theory...The only reason science evolves is coz we dont know it to its maximum potential and keep finding new pieces of the puzzle...If Hinduism is missing some pieces in its puzzle it is not perfect nor is it worth to be called a set of laws.....

If gravity wished to evolve at will, just imagine how much chaos we would have!

I have already told you how you are nonsensically applying laws to something which does not even exist in a space-time continuum. Comparing gravitational force which is quantifiable and exist only within this continuum to something that exists beyond this is laughable.

You do sin you WILL be punished ...You do good you WILL be rewarded...no matter you are brown, orange, pink, yellow, green or white the same laws apply...

Get it? As simple as can be nothing special for the special criers...

These are laws for humans. How can you have laws for humans sent from someone who is beyond laws. Laws for humans are set within Maya. The laws can evolve because the idea of sin can evolve with time. These are human matters and not divine matters. The divinity is not concerned with this as per Hinduism. Only Karma (which exists within the Maya) is concerned with this and for that we have several shastras explaining the rules.

Ahhh discrimination as usual...If you are not good enough you get the lower rank forget trying to make yourself good you just get awarded anyway ...Imagine that in reality....If ministers get awarded for not doing their work, where will the country go and how will it develop?

What are you talking about? Did you even understand what I wrote?

You are the one the problem with the nation as you mentioned

I said "notion". Use a dictionary.

 

[kaku1]

These rules are made to prevent mass conversions into Hinduism. Hundreds will join if given the chance.
No offense intended.

This rule is for preventing Pakistanis to seek asylum in India.

 

[Dubious]

Before and now? Does God change in number before and now? Hinduism is very clear about the existence of Brahman as the only primordial Consciousness. But that is not God. The idea of God as a single number itself appears after numbers start to exist.

So lets say the existence of Brahman - now existence already places a number 1...it can be many but I am sure it would be in plural then...

But for that the space-time continuum has to exist.

Says who? If space - time didnt exist and Brahman existed than that is counted as 1 in the least...it cant be nothing when Brahman clearly existed

Then again God cannot exist as a single number or a multiple number within this space-time because, It is the one that gives rise to this.

But if something already existed a number has to be applied ....irrespective of what continuum is...you cant count something as zero...

Within the space-time continuum, to satisfy the human need for quantifying things we give a quantity to God. As it is since we have assigned a physical dimension to God, which itself cannot be logical, then why stop at that? You can assign any number of anthromorphical features and any number of forms and have umpteen number of deities. The problem of 1 or million arises only when you quantify something that is not quantifiable.

Not really, it is clear an elephant gets 1 number and a monkey gets another, a blue man gets another number and a man with multiple hands gets another number....So, you confusing 1 and million is your confusion not the confusion of nature....

Hinduism hence becomes very clear in this saying that Brahman is neither one nor many. However Hinduism also agrees that deities are many. Even the mercury example that you gave, quantifies that glob of mercury as one. Hinduism says there is not even 1, because Brahman is beond that.

No Hinduism didnt say that....it has a verse saying Brahman is one...Something that is there is quantifiable...Even 1 blob of liquid mercury is considered 1 blob...

Then what is this:
"Ekam evadvitiyam"
"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]
"His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]


"Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures."
[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

Then why does gravity become irrelevant at quantum levels. Why does a electron not behave like a particle, but instead appears like a wave in double slit experiment, even when the rules say it should be forming impingement patterns and not diffraction patterns? Also why does light waves form an impingement pattern in that same experiment instead of forming diffraction patterns when we expect them to?

At least in every country they are constant and not changing...I am talking about earth and gravity where it exists.....I dont know quantum physics and nor am interested coz it is not established and still in research ......it has changed since its first introduction and has been expanding so until that field is stable enough you cant use it as an example...

Rules can apply for men. You cannot even apply a rule to an electron/light-wave and you want to apply a number value to something that is unquantifiable?

Until and unless men can become an electron you have fallen out of the discussion

have already told you how you are nonsensically applying laws to something which does not even exist in a space-time continuum. Comparing gravitational force which is quantifiable and exist only within this continuum to something that exists beyond this is laughable.

Until and unless you are living in that continuum you follow the rules and laws of the earth and that sent to earth

These are laws for humans. How can you have laws for humans sent from someone who is beyond laws. Laws for humans are set within Maya. The laws can evolve because the idea of sin can evolve with time. These are human matters and not divine matters. The divinity is not concerned with this as per Hinduism. Only Karma (which exists within the Maya) is concerned with this and for that we have several shastras explaining the rules.

So tomorrow if something is claimed legal it will no longer be a sin even if it may destroy another? Great carry your gibberish to your land and lock it within those borders!

No one lives on quantum levels so I suggest you get back to earth and live like a human ...

What are you talking about? Did you even understand what I wrote?

Yes I did you discriminated between 1 person who claims to have reached some level and another who cant be bothered to improve himself....No matter how you put it masters of discrimination can only put it as that...

These rules are made to prevent mass conversions into Hinduism. Hundreds will join if given the chance.

Of course everyone wants to be part of a lawless and without rules a havoc yet we dont see them crossing border to die on your land

Denial + fairy land...Carry on boy!

I said "notion". Use a dictionary.

Sorry my bad but

Maybe it is difficult for you to understand because you grew up with the notion that a religion has to have a dogma and a set of rules, all explained in a single book and we should all follow those rules like zombies.

My reply still applies you are in Saudi

 

[Bang Galore]

Still forms part of your religion...explain the Kanes from rig veda also ...

No problem, read it with Rg veda X18.8. Maybe that will make sense of what was left behind on the funeral pyre.

 

[Dubious]

No problem, read it with Rg veda X18.8. Maybe that will make sense of what was left behind on the funeral pyre.

Post it here ...both of them and explain what you mean!

 

[holysaturn]

And people want sharia in France Lol

 

[Josef K]

So lets say the existence of Brahman - now existence already places a number 1...it can be many but I am sure it would be in plural then...

Number is an abstract concept. For 1 to exist, there should be a scope for 2 to exist. I cannot teach you basic math.

But if something already existed a number has to be applied ....irrespective of what continuum is...you cant count something as zero...

What already existed is not existing as a physical entity. Consciousness is not a physical entity. So you cannot apply a number to something that does not have a beginning or an end or a boundary. Once again I cannot teach you math, philosophy or physics in this forum and neither do you seem capable of understanding any of that.

Not really, it is clear an elephant gets 1 number and a monkey gets another, a blue man gets another number and a man with multiple hands gets another number....So, you confusing 1 and million is your confusion not the confusion of nature....

When an elephant can be defined with boundaries and within a space and when there is a scope for another elephant (even though it may not exist), then the concept of number arises.

Until and unless men can become an electron you have fallen out of the discussion

But we are talking about God, aren't we? Quantifying God and all that stuff?

Until and unless you are living in that continuum you follow the rules and laws of the earth and that sent to earth

We are living in that continuum. Can't help it if you did not go to school. Can't educate you here.

So tomorrow if something is claimed legal it will no longer be a sin even if it may destroy another? Great carry your gibberish to your land and lock it within those borders!

No one lives on quantum levels so I suggest you get back to earth and live like a human ...

If someone claims incest is legal will you start doing it? There are certain basic concepts of morality that is within you. Apriori sense of morality. Only that lasts for ever.The rest evolves. What is not moral will not become legal. But that is not decided by God and such. That is OUR sense of morality. Do atheist or secular or predominantly atheist countries legalize murder?

Yes I did you discriminated between 1 person who claims to have reached some level and another who cant be bothered to improve himself....No matter how you put it masters of discrimination can only put it as that...

Now you don't understand English also? I said each one can follow his own path to God depending upon his capability. You are just plain nonsensical. Don't talk gibberish and stop making a fool out of yourself further.

"Ekam evadvitiyam"
"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]
"His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]

"Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures."
[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

That demigod mentioned in Gita also means the god that is given a number. Upanishads have explained the same concept that I explained above. There is no scope for number 2 and so number 1 does not exist. Only Ultimate Reality exists.

My reply still applies you are in Saudi

So?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Nothing in Hinduism is compulsory why is it compulsory to call it a religion which actually has a set of "rules"?

Nothing should be compulsory. Free will and moral compass is independent of religion. Spirituality is divine. Religions including Islam are instruments of fraud to fool and manipulate people.

 

[scorpionx]

Rig Veda X.18.7 "Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as corrylium ( to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned." -- [ Rig Veda X.18.7 ] [ Kane 199-200 ]

I am not sure about the other texts but there is no mention of Sati custom in Rg. As you quoted the Rg 10.18.7, there in fact was a confusion. The sloka ended as " Aaro hantu janayah yonim agre"; what most of the scholars mistakenly interpreted it was not agre (first) but agne (Fire), which led them to believe that Sati custom was a vedic one.This misinterpretation had been corrected at least hundred years ago from today, not sure how still it manages to survive. Sati pratha was not a vedic custom. It was most probably an unholy invention during late Gupta period.

No problem, read it with Rg veda X18.8. Maybe that will make sense of what was left behind on the funeral pyre.

Exactly. This very verse requests the widow to return to the family, leaving the departed.

 

[Mike_Brando]

Number is an abstract concept. For 1 to exist, there should be a scope for 2 to exist. I cannot teach you basic math.



What already existed is not existing as a physical entity. Consciousness is not a physical entity. So you cannot apply a number to something that does not have a beginning or an end or a boundary. Once again I cannot teach you math, philosophy or physics in this forum and neither do you seem capable of understanding any of that.



When an elephant can be defined with boundaries and within a space and when there is a scope for another elephant (even though it may not exist), then the concept of number arises.


But we are talking about God, aren't we? Quantifying God and all that stuff?


We are living in that continuum. Can't help it if you did not go to school. Can't educate you here.


If someone claims incest is legal will you start doing it? There are certain basic concepts of morality that is within you. Apriori sense of morality. Only that lasts for ever.The rest evolves. What is not moral will not become legal. But that is not decided by God and such. That is OUR sense of morality. Do atheist or secular or predominantly atheist countries legalize murder?


Now you don't understand English also? I said each one can follow his own path to God depending upon his capability. You are just plain nonsensical. Don't talk gibberish and stop making a fool out of yourself further.



That demigod mentioned in Gita also means the god that is given a number. Upanishads have explained the same concept that I explained above. There is no scope for number 2 and so number 1 does not exist. Only Ultimate Reality exists.



So?

Leave it mate, i bet she won't understand the philosophical aspect of Dharma even if you go on to teach her for a full year.You see, these sorts of things happen when you are forced to follow some non-flexible concepts where even questioning the Prophet on any point can be termed as blasphemy and is considered to be a capital offence!!