Journalist Matiullah Jan goes missing

[El Sidd]

So no activity on the thread today?

Incredible

 

[HRK]

Dear sir, why does the government itself, all the journalists, even judiciary not read that? Don't they know that? and where is the explanation from those who read it and still let him go after hours. (My view is don't take him, if you do then don't leave him, and if u do that then u r fishy and to blame) Can any person i.e. any Pakistani, no matter what be picked up without giving a reason, whether after or before the act? The whole chapter is too big, can you point out relevant section(s) Regards.

OK Government, Court or any other Institution OFFICIALLY declared this event of Matiullah as ABDUCTION .... ??? if no then why ... ???

Today IHC was hearing about this what is the end result .... ???

Well what is your point about his release ... ??? do you think his release was illegal or taking in custody for investigation was illegal ... ???

IF this is the case why Matiullah himself or any other Social Media activist or Journalist Organization file a case against the institution who picked Matiullah .... ??? He can surely tell who kept him under custody and for what alleged reason ....

May I know why he or any other [so called] supporter of Matiullah is not doing this .... ??

My dear read again you yourself have clearly mention the relevant clause in your post ....

And above all May I know why any segment of society should be above the Law or should be given exemption of facing the legal process .... ????

You can file a complaint against Police, Judges or even Politicians can you tell me where you could file a complaint against the fake news or against a Journalist in Pakistan .... ???

And IF any LEA question any journalist he suddenly become symbol and Hero of Dissenting Voices and present himself as the only Tarzan who is opposing the 'Establishment'

 

[pak-marine]

Silly act by our sec agencies , stupid move back fired and now it will cause a lot more embaracment internationally

 

[Aasimkhan]

He once was in PMA ...or i am wrong ?

He was DRUMMED OUT of PMA for character failure in 1988. He has not forgiven pak Army for this treatment since last 32 years.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1285500577338871808

This woman has performed HAJJ on tax payers money and she says its HALAAL, One can imagine her credibility.

What type of a psychopathic person are you? I personally know his son and him. Only God knows what they are going through right now. What he spoke against the army?( Don’t know what charges were against him) and I don’t give a shiit. Half of my family is in the army so if today i speak out against any wrong doing i will be branded a traitor? Even i will speak out against any wrong party be it the army even thou i have deep affiliation with them.... but your remarks are outrageous. What if your parents were abducted tomorrow? Show some restraint while talking about such issues and think with your brain rather than your blind yes sir mentality.

I know Matiullah Jan since 1985. He is an ill disciplined, characterless, anti-state element. He was drummed out of PMA for character failure. Dont defend a rascal like Matiullah.

 

[Xeson]

OK Government, Court or any other Institution OFFICIALLY declared this event of Matiullah as ABDUCTION .... ??? if no then why ... ???

Today IHC was hearing about this what is the end result .... ???

The officials of government, people sitting in cabinet sure called it so, I don't think one can find a written notification but wont that be a bit too dumb. As for the Courts go, the proceedings included the case of abduction, and state institutions were criticized all over. If it was arrest the police should have had record of why and where he was taken. Since that is not the case so other LEA did this while the report is to be given in two weeks by Govt/Police who would take two weeks to figure out who and why did this LAWFUL act, so untill govt./police figures out as they did not arrest him should it not be considered abduction anyway, lol?
https://www.dawn.com/news/1570483/s...ns-abduction-demands-police-report-in-2-weeks
https://www.geo.tv/latest/299298-sc-asks-ict-police-to-submit-report-matiullah-jans-abduction

According to the FIR, Matiullah Jan was sitting in his car outside the Federal Government Girls Primary School at G-6-1/3 when armed people wearing black uniforms came in cars, double cabin vehicle with police light installed on it and an ambulance who forcefully abducted Matiullah Jan.
Meanwhile, the Islamabad High Court (IHC) Tuesday directed Secretary Interior, Chief Commissioner and IGP Islamabad to immediately recover missing journalist Matiullah Jan or appear in this court today (Wednesday) in person. (Arrested is not missing and is not recovered)

Well what is your point about his release ... ??? do you think his release was illegal or taking in custody for investigation was illegal ... ???

IF this is the case why Matiullah himself or any other Social Media activist or Journalist Organization file a case against the institution who picked Matiullah .... ??? He can surely tell who kept him under custody and for what alleged reason ....

My point about release is that either LEAs released it out of pressure (#fail) or cox they got caught (#fail) or cox they didnt have anything concrete (#fail). While LEAs can investigate, its the manner in which this happened. Proof again is that GOVT, Police, Couts all have begin investigation of it which means it is not lawful and against basic rights to pick someone up like that.

Well, for one, even if He said, and if that is same as what others are saying, would You believe it? so Him saying does not matter. What matters is what the one who did it say. Beside in our countary one has to go through 2 weeks of investigation to find out about a legal arrest.

My dear read again you yourself have clearly mention the relevant clause in your post ....

And above all May I know why any segment of society should be above the Law or should be given exemption of facing the legal process .... ????

You can file a complaint against Police, Judges or even Politicians can you tell me where you could file a complaint against the fake news or against a Journalist in Pakistan .... ???

Yes i did mention in EDIT, after I found it, though i dont see how it works. Police clearly did not do it, where he was kept is still unknown and there is no mention of allowing to place a person at unknown location like "abduction" and release in the night like that. Even after such, valid reason is to be given.

The red part really too make me think that we might actually be living in "Banana Republic". Journalists are to be dealt by the govt, courts, LEAs and system but "LAWFULLY". These words are the point of whole discussion, lawful or not.

Point is I did not know this guy but now I see him from NYT to WSJ to every Pak channel and Newspaper, where not even the GOVT, Courts, Police or any institution has shown guts to defend what happened, most probably because they can't. LEAs messed up big time, opening flood gates on self from all sides (NOT LONG AFTER AHSAAN ESCAPE STORY) and it should neither be left alone like a holy cow nor kept aside quitely. No matter who messes up we should accept and I would as much or more glad to know that they did not mess up but really does not seem to be.

 

[HRK]

The officials of government, people sitting in cabinet sure called it so

One or two officials represent whole of Government .... ??? bhai read defination of the government as per SC ruling even PM is not government

and BTW how one could take personal tweets of those officials as Government Stance, on individual basis they can be mistaken like any other person

I don't think one can find a written notification but wont that be a bit too dumb. As for the Courts go, the proceedings included the case of abduction,

Then wait for the court decision till the time rather to termed it abduction, for me he was taken in custody by any of the civilian LEA

Well, for one, even if He said, and if that is same as what others are saying, would You believe it? so Him saying does not matter. What matters is what the one who did it say. Beside in our countary one has to go through 2 weeks of investigation to find out about a legal arrest.

I am only asking one thing that Matiullah must have come to know about his so called 'abductors' in his 12 hours long confinement with them and he was free when IHC was hearing case on his behalf why he did not choose to inform the court or media till now about the identity of Institution or Individual who had take him under their custody ..... ???

At least this will pin which can be investigated might be less then 2 weeks .... Why is he silence till now ..... ??? So your point of time period for investigation about Matiullah case in invalid in its basis ...

The red part really too make me think that we might actually be living in "Banana Republic".

May be your understanding not mine ....

Journalists are to be dealt by the govt, courts, LEAs and system but "LAWFULLY". These words are the point of whole discussion, lawful or not.

Can you really post the relevant law which can specifically deal with Journalists or Media houses .... ???

The whole community is against the Media Courts .... why ???

And IF any of Government institution deals with them with existing law they start propagating negatively .... why ???

My point about release is that either LEAs released it out of pressure (#fail) or cox they got caught (#fail) or cox they didnt have anything concrete (#fail). While LEAs can investigate, its the manner in which this happened. Proof again is that GOVT, Police, Couts all have begin investigation of it which means it is not lawful and against basic rights to pick someone up like that.

For the purpose of Investigation LEA could detain a person for questioning for limited time and could release If arrest is not made in the result of investigation ..... this is exactly what happen in this case .....

So for You it may be an ABDUCTION which I refuse to accept ....

As far as your point of investigation on court order is concern it is related to determine the LEA who picked him, as he was not picked by local Police

 

[WebMaster]

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[Xeson]

Thank you for the detailed reply, @HRK , I would leave it at agreeing to disagree.
I would sure have agreed if only the LEA that "arrested/abducted" him had come forward after the whole scene (including launch of investigation) and said we legally detained him because of this reason. Not accepting to have arrested or detained is illegal and part of what is called disappearance or abduction. Lets see the development and outcome of the process underway.
This action in my view greatly dents the perspective of how our LEAs work. I have fastened my seat belt for the unfortunate painful event to get quotes of this incidence every single time something relatable happens, anywhere by anyone, like the missing people, in the near future at least.
Regards.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Silly act by our sec agencies , stupid move back fired and now it will cause a lot more embaracment internationally

this is how it is being played at.
but I beg to disagree with the narrative.

the carefully selected scene for convenient CCTV footage
the short duration of alleged "kidnap"
the smug face of Mutti Ullah jan after "kidnap"
the social media on standby to post their outrage during the event
His immediate interview about the "ordeal"

all points to me a stage drama.

contrary to what Social Media Buffs and mainstream media are selling. our agencies don't operate on emotions and knee jerk reactions. he would've been kept for few days and beaten to a plup for his foul mouthing Pak army since the day he was dishonorably booted out of PMA for conduct unbecoming of a gentleman cadet one being sodomy charges.

but narrative being presented is already selling because well , people hate Imran Khan and by extension hate Pakistan army and hating Pakistan army is left wing liberalism and it is is a populist thing to do.

 

[ps3linux]

this is how it is being played at.
but I beg to disagree with the narrative.

the carefully selected scene for convenient CCTV footage
the short duration of alleged "kidnap"
the smug face of Mutti Ullah jan after "kidnap"
the social media on standby to post their outrage during the event
His immediate interview about the "ordeal"

all points to me a stage drama.

contrary to what Social Media Buffs and mainstream media are selling. our agencies don't operate on emotions and knee jerk reactions. he would've been kept for few days and beaten to a plup for his foul mouthing Pak army since the day he was dishonorably booted out of PMA for conduct unbecoming of a gentleman cadet one being sodomy charges.

but narrative being presented is already selling because well , people hate Imran Khan and by extension hate Pakistan army and hating Pakistan army is left wing liberalism and it is is a populist thing to do.

Please correct me if I am wrong the CCTV footage is unclear where "allegedly" Matiullah was being "abducted" there is no conclusive evidence that it was Matiullah. even if I agree it was Matiullah, first thing he does is to throw away his phone.

Few minutes later his twitter handle "tweets" strange?

another very patriotic journalist Ahmed Noorani tweets, matiullah was so forward looking that he left his password on a paper and the tweet was made by his son.

Then another very patriotic journalist Aizaz syed shares his wife's POV that he was kidnapped in front of the school, when he went to drop the children. Ahmmm, Ahmmm schools I thought were closed, his wife was at home I hope she had access to a spy satellite with military level resolution.

Car is red or golden no idea. Pure B.S a staged drama to get sympathies and find something to get out of that "Contempt of Court" case.

One thing about agencies, we have become a very strange country anyone who can get away with it doesn't honor, summons from any LEA. Then may be file a perfunctory apology or better yet go to La-Whore court or Minallah court and get a free restraining order on LEA, pre arrest bail or something. Where does it leave room for LEA. Its not ideal but as long as they don't make it a permanent "missing person" I guess one should digest that pill bitter or sweet.

 

[pak-marine]

this is how it is being played at.
but I beg to disagree with the narrative.

the carefully selected scene for convenient CCTV footage
the short duration of alleged "kidnap"
the smug face of Mutti Ullah jan after "kidnap"
the social media on standby to post their outrage during the event
His immediate interview about the "ordeal"

all points to me a stage drama.

contrary to what Social Media Buffs and mainstream media are selling. our agencies don't operate on emotions and knee jerk reactions. he would've been kept for few days and beaten to a plup for his foul mouthing Pak army since the day he was dishonorably booted out of PMA for conduct unbecoming of a gentleman cadet one being sodomy charges.

but narrative being presented is already selling because well , people hate Imran Khan and by extension hate Pakistan army and hating Pakistan army is left wing liberalism and it is is a populist thing to do.

A journalist will stage all this drama to blame army , most absurd theory

 

[F86 Saber]

My advise to ISI, since they are being blamed for such abductions anyway, they should take care of a few who deserve to go "Missing".

 

[Crimson Blue]

Moeed Pirzada has revealed today that officials which picked up Mattiullah Jan were disciplined and transferred.

Has this been reported anywhere else?

 

[Crimson Blue]

In the same speech, Moeed Pirzada has also suggested that none of the kidnapping or beating of the journalists in past 10 years was authorized by civilian administration.