Journalist Matiullah Jan goes missing

[The Eagle]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1285557850866094080

Well, 24hrs is always with the LEAs to present the accused. Wait for the brigade to claim a victory.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1285557850866094080

I bet if he can produce High Court order mentioning the word Abducted.

 

[Dil_Pakistan]

If the "state" was known not to do deals and give free passes, i would have said better. Looks like Rana Sanaullah, he would too be let go after some "deal", or maybe in this case court itself intervenes like IHC has done.
The only people receiving bad mouth will be the poor Govt. and their concerned relevant minister who will be made scapegoat or become scapegoat after asking to cover, justify or explain the situation..

 

[crankthatskunk]

This is gonna cause ripples.
ISI would be targeted by Pakistani media.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The libtards have an excuse again. Seems our establishment keeps giving them excuses. This is unprofessional and stupid. Its ok to surprise arrest anyone but then u have to accept it and not make it look like u dont know anything abt it.

Agree - not sure on who's orders this was done, but it was handled very poorly, so far.

If there was a valid reason and strong evidence for such a 'dramatic' arrest, then the arresting institution needs to at least hold a press conference or issue a statement outlining why the arrest had to be made this way. Specifics compromising the investigation don't have to be offered, but a general statement regarding concerns that the suspect might destroy evidence etc could be made.

 

[Amaa'n]

Agree - not sure on who's orders this was done, but it was handled very poorly, so far.

If there was a valid reason and strong evidence for such a 'dramatic' arrest, then the arresting institution needs to at least hold a press conference or issue a statement outlining why the arrest had to be made this way. Specifics compromising the investigation don't have to be offered, but a general statement regarding concerns that the suspect might destroy evidence etc could be made.

pressure tactic

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So the throwing of fone is suspicious to u but a citizen being abducted by uniformed men does not bother u at all? Why do we have the police and courts then?

Arrests/detentions can be made without court orders or warrants in the US as well, and there is a certain amount of time that the police can hold an individual - this by itself is not something to be critical of.

What is important is that the laws are followed in terms of how long an individual is arrested/detained for, whether they can call a lawyer etc

This looks bad because he's high profile and knowing that the target was high profile, a press release should have been ready to avoid the media backlash.

 

[I S I]

Was he a critic of niazi?

 

[TNT]

Agree - not sure on who's orders this was done, but it was handled very poorly, so far.

If there was a valid reason and strong evidence for such a 'dramatic' arrest, then the arresting institution needs to at least hold a press conference or issue a statement outlining why the arrest had to be made this way. Specifics compromising the investigation don't have to be offered, but a general statement regarding concerns that the suspect might destroy evidence etc could be made.

Not even that, just say he is arrested, thats it, for unknown reasons. Imagine a citizen arrested like this and then no news, the relatives would worry if he really is kidnapped or arrested. There been many cases where LEAs accepted person been arrested after weeks, is this how civilized and professional institutes work? Unprofessional behavior of american police caused such an uproar, such tactics should never be used. It only aids and strengthen our internal and external enemies.

Arrests/detentions can be made without court orders or warrants in the US as well, and there is a certain amount of time that the police can hold an individual - this by itself is not something to be critical of.

What is important is that the laws are followed in terms of how long an individual is arrested/detained for, whether they can call a lawyer etc

This looks bad because he's high profile and knowing that the target was high profile, a press release should have been ready to avoid the media backlash.

Yes and i never argued abt court orders or anything. My point is first be professional and arrest ppl like professional LEAs do, not kidnap like thugs. Give the person a chance to collaborate and go with u voluntarily first. If not then use force. 2ndly if u "pickup" someone like that, inform their family abt being arrested, so they know he is with authorities and not with terrorists.
Ur right, he is a guy known by many so in this case, atleast a tweet or press release was important. See the hatred spewing on twitter and indian pitching in and all ganged up against Pakistan state. This all could have been avoided if our security agencies were not morons.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Was he a critic of niazi?

He is a nuisance against Pakistan. Long before Imran became Prime Minister.
You to blame.
But from your quote above, it could easily be asserted which party you may belong to.

 

[m52k85]

Dishonourably kicked out while caught..... that's the day instead of hiding in shame; he never misses a chance to bark against Military. The reason he was kicked out from academy and his barking as such; proves that why specific lot hates Pakistan Army so much.

We have to decide making someone disappear is ok or not till what extent. Involved in violent state subversive activities - hmm but OK. Making someone disappear because of their narrative, however toxic, not ok to me.

So arresting an accused is called abduction to you? You have your side to call him innocent while I have my understanding of situation. Uniform personnel arresting an alleged culprit in bright daylight. When it comes to a suspect as such; everything becomes suspicious. I will give it to LEAs as compare to a cheap sellout like Matiullah.

Do you know that an arrest being made in uniform, is not an abduction until & unless people wearing alleged uniform are actually fake from some terrorist group. How you call it?

Arresting entail both of:
1. Acknowledgement - A LEA comes forth and says we have done this
2. Production in court - Sometime within 'X' days, whatever the law says.

Has any LEA acknowledged yet?

 

[The Eagle]

We have to decide making someone disappear is ok or not till what extent. Involved in violent state subversive activities - hmm but OK. Making someone disappear because of their narrative, however toxic, not ok to me.


Arresting entail both of:
1. Acknowledgement - A LEA comes forth and says we have done this
2. Production in court - Sometime within 'X' days, whatever the law says.

Has any LEA acknowledged yet?

You call it disappear while I see them detaining him and will produce him accordingly. Why do we need LEAs to acknowledge the same on TV or any other medium. That business belongs to certain quarters and eventually, news will get it when they produce him as per law. Everyone saw men in Uniform arrests him so, there is no need to prove further. Has it been the intention to make him disappear; why don't people consider that there are ways to do so but not our approach in this case.

 

[litman]

still no news on bbc. they wont let go any chance to defame pakistan agencies. i suspect an unknown journalist like matiullah will be forming headlines on international media "famous journalist gone missing in pakistan. picked up by agencies................" etc

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

We have to decide making someone disappear is ok or not till what extent. Involved in violent state subversive activities - hmm but OK. Making someone disappear because of their narrative, however toxic, not ok to me.


Arresting entail both of:
1. Acknowledgement - A LEA comes forth and says we have done this
2. Production in court - Sometime within 'X' days, whatever the law says.

Has any LEA acknowledged yet?

Something doesn't quite add up - Jan was being summoned by the Supreme Court over contempt of court charges stemming from some of his tweets.

Why arrest him now when he was likely going to be dragged through the mud by the Supreme Court anyway?

 

[m52k85]

You call it disappear while I see them detaining him and will produce him accordingly. Why do we need LEAs to acknowledge the same on TV or any other medium. That business belongs to certain quarters and eventually, news will get it when they produce him as per law. Everyone saw men in Uniform arrests him so, there is no need to prove further. Has it been the intention to make him disappear; why don't people consider that there are ways to do so but not our approach in this case.

Im calling it disappear because in the past people who have disappeared for months on end have been picked up by uniformed people, but you are right, as off right now it could be 'disappear' or 'arrest'. Let the LEA comeforth with their action and settle it as an 'arrest'.

"Why do LEA need to acknowledge", are you serious? Imagine your relative being picked up for whatever reason by the local thana, you go there and they say we dont know. Someone needs to tell his wife they have him, doesnt have to be on TV, doesnt have to be a minister.

Something doesn't quite add up - Jan was being summoned by the Supreme Court over contempt of court charges stemming from some of his tweets.

Why arrest him now when he was likely going to be dragged through the mud by the Supreme Court anyway?

Yes the proper thing, and easier to handle on media, would have been to wait for the courts to issue a warrant to produce him before them. We need to learn to fight the media war effectively and without screwing up, hope our friend @The Eagle can understand.

 

[The Eagle]

"Why do LEA need to acknowledge", are you serious? Imagine your relative being picked up for whatever reason by the local thana, you go there and they say we dont know. Someone needs to tell his wife they have him, doesnt have to be on TV, doesnt have to be a minister.

Did his wife speak truth that she isn't informed as of yet? I don't see the whole lot as such will speak about information. He has been detained in daylight. When it has to be a disappearance; you wouldn't know the way it happened. Local police station will deny sometimes because, they will have to check with all the agencies before confirmation. He isn't some ordinary guy but a journalist, as they all say. No disappearance as such is possible. His wife must have seen the CCTV similarly Hamid Mir had it quickly.

Yes the proper thing, and easier to handle on media, would have been to wait for the courts to issue a warrant to produce him before them. We need to learn to fight the media war effectively and without screwing up, hope our friend @The Eagle can understand.

It isn't necessary to understand or acknowledge every basic thing. An arrest warrant of such a media mouth, isn't that easy nor will be done within time. Sometimes, you don't have much of an option knowing the approach & tactics of other side. He could have just vanished way before Court could issue warrants as such. What if the case at hand is different than normal practices to opt a warrant at first.

Don't just make your mind that I can't get it. May be my point is different than yours. I am not worried about media in this case. They will rant all day. LEAs has to do what is must to be done within time.