You understood me correct right, i am not saying that he will definitely make this into reality but he's gonna try.
Another thing you metioned "change of plans". What he's doing is obvious right. Being pro-Arab, stand with them against common enemy, rising bilateral trade, having political influence (
he start to gain some as Egypt, discarded their maritime agreement with cyprus and israel, saying that "Turkey should be involved in the agreement" ), collaborating in defence industry, helping poor Arab states like Tunisia by TİHA.
I think, this thing will go on ( Good relations + Political Influence ) to an extent which will allow Turkey to setting course.
^^^ This is Neo-Ottomanism, do you see anything wrong with it ? ( Don't look at this with a nationalist arabs eyes. )
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mahatir, what do you think about Neo-Ottomanism ?
Depending which country your talking about , but in the case of countries like Egypt , Syria today and Iraq they would rather go with Turkey than associate themselves with Arabs .
After all Arabs do not get along among themselves Today , especially Egyptians they are deeply hated and despised by other Arabs , seeing them today opening up to Turkey is understandable .
The same goes for Syrians to , they were abandoned by Arabs during their revolution especially the Gulf here we refused to take any refugees . Turkey shares 1000 km border with Syria and important cities in Syria is in the north witin 50 km from Turkish border . Naturally and through out history it was known that who rules Asia minor influenced Syria .
Turkish movies , music and series have been much more popular among Arabs than those made in Egypt or Syria before their current civil war. The number of people learning Turkish in Egypt has increased for instance , the Turkish cultural centre in Cairo now had to open more branches to accomodate the rise in number of people interested in learning Turkish .
Egyptian Congressmen Visited the Turkish School in Cairo
Turkish school to open many new branches in Egypt
Great interest shown in Turkish school in Egypt
This Article is about learning Turkish language in Egypt. It says in 12 universities in Egypt 5000 people learned Turkish in one year and around 1200 learned Turkish in Turkey's cultural centre in Cairo , now you got around 6200 learned Turkish and this number will increase in the coming years.
Egyptians Are Learning Turkish (HABER TURK) - Press - Yunus Emre Enstitüsü - M?s?r
I do not call this neo-ottmanism but rather modern day kemalism with an Islamic touch on the surface.
with its growing Economy and industrial capability Turkey will easily have swallowed Iraq and Syria by 2023 , I mean by integrating the economies of these two countries within the Turkish one.
Just like KRG economy right now , all their foreign trade is with Turkey and everything built there from houses to power plants was undertaken by Turkish construction companies. Iraq will be further partitioned , the Sunnis will be given central Iraq and Shiah locked in the south . If you know Tarek al hashmi , the strongest leader among the Sunni community in Iraq lives in Istanbul as a political refugee right now . The future central Sunni province in Iraq will be also bound with Turkey , after all the Arabs abandoned the sunnis of Iraq since the American invasion .
Simply there is not one Arab country that has a strong industrial base and a well diversified economy like Turkey . If we talk about the Gulf , its all based on oil and petro-chemicals , nothing really special about it .
The Arabs are not the same people after all , this is something people always get confused about . For instance the Gulf regions never accepted " Arab nationalism " that was promoted by Gamal Abdulnasser and Saddam hussein during the 1960s-1970s . In the gulf were talking about monarch regimes that only care about ensuring their own survival and that means they would prefer seeing Turkey taking over Syria than see it fall into the hands of a regime that promotes revolution .
This is the difference between Turkey and Iran . Turkey is simply looking for economic expansion and to achieve that it is supporting stability , on the other-hand Iran is looking for promoting Shia religion and establishing a theocratic Islamic empire based on Shia doctrine and to achieve that they need to spread terror and civil war to topple Arab regimes .
This is why Iran failed in achieving anything in the Arab world , given that it does not have a culture today after the Islamic regime of Iran bans films and music in addition to the fact neither they have a strong industrial capability like Turkey or integrated within the International community .
There is not a single Arab regime that has any strategy of influencing anything outside their own borders , all they care about is ensuring their own survival . Simply there is not any competition and Turkey is simply rising , the only obstacle to its growing influence was Iran and now this obstacle is fading after Iran's role in Syria .
You understood me correct right, i am not saying that he will definitely make this into reality but he's gonna try.
Another thing you metioned "change of plans". What he's doing is obvious right. Being pro-Arab, stand with them against common enemy, rising bilateral trade, having political influence (
he start to gain some as Egypt, discarded their maritime agreement with cyprus and israel, saying that "Turkey should be involved in the agreement" ), collaborating in defence industry, helping poor Arab states like Tunisia by TİHA.
I think, this thing will go on ( Good relations + Political Influence ) to an extent which will allow Turkey to setting course.
^^^ This is Neo-Ottomanism, do you see anything wrong with it ? ( Don't look at this with a nationalist arabs eyes. )
@
mahatir, what do you think about Neo-Ottomanism ?
Depending which country your talking about , but in the case of countries like Egypt , Syria today and Iraq they would rather go with Turkey than associate themselves with Arabs .
After all Arabs do not get along among themselves Today , especially Egyptians they are deeply hated and despised by other Arabs , seeing them today opening up to Turkey is understandable .
The same goes for Syrians to , they were abandoned by Arabs during their revolution especially the Gulf here we refused to take any refugees . Turkey shares 1000 km border with Syria and important cities in Syria is in the north witin 50 km from Turkish border . Naturally and through out history it was known that who rules Asia minor influenced Syria .
Turkish movies , music and series have been much more popular among Arabs than those made in Egypt or Syria before their current civil war. The number of people learning Turkish in Egypt has increased for instance , the Turkish cultural centre in Cairo now had to open more branches to accomodate the rise in number of people interested in learning Turkish .
http://www.hizmetnews.com/index.php/latest-news/item/593-egyptian-congressmen-visited-the-turkish-school-in-cairo
http://www.hizmetnews.com/index.php/latest-news/item/366-turkish-school-to-open-many-new-branches-in-egypt
http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?load=detay&link=189532
This Article is about learning Turkish language in Egypt. It says in 12 universities in Egypt 5000 people learned Turkish in one year and around 1200 learned Turkish in Turkey's cultural centre in Cairo , now you got around 6200 learned Turkish and this number will increase in the coming years.
http://yunusemreenstitusu.org/egypt/index.php?lang=en&page=10&anIIcat_2=0&anIIitm_2=12
I do not call this neo-ottmanism but rather modern day kemalism with an Islamic touch on the surface.
with its growing Economy and industrial capability Turkey will easily have swallowed Iraq and Syria by 2023 , I mean by integrating the economies of these two countries within the Turkish one.
Just like KRG economy right now , all their foreign trade is with Turkey and everything built there from houses to power plants was undertaken by Turkish construction companies. Iraq will be further partitioned , the Sunnis will be given central Iraq and Shiah locked in the south . If you know Tarek al hashmi , the strongest leader among the Sunni community in Iraq lives in Istanbul as a political refugee right now . The future central Sunni province in Iraq will be also bound with Turkey , after all the Arabs abandoned the sunnis of Iraq since the American invasion .
Simply there is not one Arab country that has a strong industrial base and a well diversified economy like Turkey . If we talk about the Gulf , its all based on oil and petro-chemicals , nothing really special about it .
The Arabs are not the same people after all , this is something people always get confused about . For instance the Gulf regions never accepted " Arab nationalism " that was promoted by Gamal Abdulnasser and Saddam hussein during the 1960s-1970s . In the gulf were talking about monarch regimes that only care about ensuring their own survival and that means they would prefer seeing Turkey taking over Syria than see it fall into the hands of a regime that promotes revolution .
This is the difference between Turkey and Iran . Turkey is simply looking for economic expansion and to achieve that it is supporting stability , on the other-hand Iran is looking for promoting Shia religion and establishing a theocratic Islamic empire based on Shia doctrine and to achieve that they need to spread terror and civil war to topple Arab regimes .
This is why Iran failed in achieving anything in the Arab world , given that it does not have a culture today after the Islamic regime of Iran bans films and music in addition to the fact neither they have a strong industrial capability like Turkey or integrated within the International community .
There is not a single Arab regime that has any strategy of influencing anything outside their own borders , all they care about is ensuring their own survival . Simply there is not any competition and Turkey is simply rising , the only obstacle to its growing influence was Iran and now this obstacle is fading after Iran's role in Syria .
I didn't quite understood what is "unwanted interfering in Arabs affairs". I think for the past 10 years Turkey is on a roll and it seems it is going to continue in the future. In 2023, we are expecting Turkey to be the undisputed dominant power ME. If that happens it will effect the whole ME.
In fact it was the Gulf that pushed Turkey to interfere back in 2004 because simply they cant do **** about other Arab countries affairs and face Iran .