I am unfamiliar with Pakistan's involvement in 1956. I know that relations have been up and down since then, but mostly good has happened.
During the 1967 and 1973 wars, Pakistan stood with Egypt and sent its military aide, technicians, and personnel to aid the Egyptian military at war with Israel.
In 1974, President of Egypt Anwar Sadat visited Pakistan to attend the second OIC meeting held in Lahore, Punjab, and generally supported Pakistan's plans to become a nuclear power. But, however, the relations with Pakistan went sour when Pakistan began ties with the former Soviet Union. The worsening of relations of Pakistan with the United States further played a key role. Nonetheless, the relations were normal with Egypt after the removal of Prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. In 1980s, President Hosni Mubarak and President Zia-ul-Haq further enhance the relations; Egypt also played a vital role in Soviet war in Afghanistan where Egypt widely provided manpower (see Afghan Arabs) and military equipment to Afghan mujahideen in their fight against the Soviets. In 1988-90 and 1993–96, Egypt's relations were soured with Pakistan Peoples Party formerly led by Benazir Bhutto who was generally close with the Soviet Union. In 1995, a disastrous car bombing took place in Islamabad that targeted the Egyptian Embassy which the Egyptian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for. A massive manhunt was initiated by ISI and all assailants were arrested in 2001 and were extradited to Egypt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt–Pakistan_relations
I don't see any reason why the relationship should be soured in any way. If anything, relations should be at their best for many reasons. Muslim nations, both flying F-16s, Mirage Vs and even the terrific K-8 Karakorum.
PAF pilots volunteered to assist Egypt during the October War of 1973 and arrived after the cease fire. Their support has been quite appreciated by the Egyptian Armed Forces till this day.
I'm pretty sure you could have easily replied to my quote without making it personal. Did I offend you somehow by disagreeing with what you said? You also said it was the best pilot program to which I'm also pretty sure we can point out many things that would easily challenge that theory, especially when we include programs such as the USAF, the US Navy & Marine Corps. The only difference is one is mostly a volunteer program (although the US does have outreach programs for pilots, a bit similar to the IDF) while the other is part of the mandatory service. The rest of the process is identical as far as training and qualifying and subsequent education. As a matter of fact, the US has much tougher requirements since naval cadets need to learn both forms of taking off and landing from conventional runways and on carriers, something the IDF doesn't come close to. Marine Corp aviators have been flying a combination of conventional fixed wing aircraft as well as jump jets, also something the IDF doesn't come close to with VTOL. The US has advanced training like none other in Red Flag and Fightertown, where many of these Israeli pilots come to train. Forget about those who end up as Aggressor pilots or instructors.
The only air force that flies the most lethal fighter in the world and will be the only country to fly all 3 variants of the F-35. The pilots who end up in all of these are the best of the best. Put aside the method they select the pilots who will be part of the USAF Thunderbirds and USN Blue Angels demonstration teams. These are the cream of the crop since they have to perform dangerous stunts and train separately to fly modified F-16s and F-18s. We shouldn't forget Larmee de L'air or the French navy or even the Brits and the recruiting, training and eventual quality of the pilots they develop.
If you don't require quoting them, then why are you quoting them? Please explain that, if you can, because it doesn't make any sense. Just FYI, what happens many times in cases like this is people end up digging themselves deeper into the hole they started, especially when they're up against ones who aren't as gullible as others.
The only one who's showing any familiarity with you doesn't even know what you are, and is only assuming what you might be or might've been. So those whom you think know you, or should know you don't even really know you! And if you're on a public forum and wish to be taken seriously as to who you're portraying yourself to be...yes...you definitely require a character certificate! Especially if you're going to make such disparaging remarks about other military programs and nationalities and not just any programs, the air force programs while at the same time dumping those disparaging remarks on Pakistani pilots which in the end, makes them look bad. If someone claimed Egyptian or Saudi or Chinese or whomever pilots made such remarks, I'd be all over it for the same exact reasons.
So why are you pursuing the subject, then? Now they're "predictably unpredictable?" In what way exactly? I'd like to know more about what you've been "briefed" since you're standing by what you said, albeit now you're referring to something a bit different. Let's revisit what you originally said since you're sticking to it.
"Least trustworthy among all the Arabs and besides are poor professionals." Since that's quite the accusation, you now have the responsibility to explain in great detail what you mean by that and show examples, that way we can see if there is any truth to what you said or more likely, the extent of untruth. If you want to be believed as legitimate and not a fraud, bring
convincing examples that shows them to be least trustworthy among all the Arabs and that they are poor professionals. I'll be waiting.
I guess you were quite wrong about that, ey? What does that say about the rest of your comments? That they're much more likely to be your own made up and personal bias?
2009 Exercise Bright Star in Egypt. This is supposedly a pic of 4 Pakistani Mirage V 'Roses' and a single TuAF F-16. There's only a couple of pics showing PAF in Egypt, I wish there were more.
Here's just a few reasons why I know for sure you're full of it, putting it as mildly as possible.
When military entities put together exercises that involve their pilots flying with others in any forms, they always select a group that is either the most qualified or from their top tier participants. This is standard across the board with the exception of large air forces such as the US or Russia or China, even Japan and SK because they hold a MUCH larger pool, from which they can select lesser ranking members to gain that particular experience, but out of squadrons that have a leading CO with a certain level of flying hours. The reasons for this are very obvious since there is an inherent danger associated with flying fighter jets with other nationalities, hence experience in the leadership and the pilots is essential. You have language barriers that need to be resolved for the obvious sake of coms and safety, so those who speak the best English are the ones selected. There's a tremendous investment in equipment involved and out of an average of 12 jets, there's a considerable monetary consideration attached to all that equipment that let's say, is around $60+ million per AC plus all associated hardware etc., that adds up to quite a lot. There is a MAJOR liability associated with these exercises which requires many strict rules to be implemented. No one wants to be the cause of a devastating accident. In return, there's critical safety measures instilled and followed using very defined rules such as minimum flying altitude, flight areas & benchmarks, max air speed among many others. These are not taken lightly by any single air force in the world. This is most evident during formation flights within these exercises. Tight formations with other pilots and aircraft is not something given to a bunch of nitwits.
There is also a tremendous emphasis put on representing one's air force which brings us to professionalism, hence why certain pilots are selected for these exercises. This is something that every nation takes VERY seriously. By selecting the better (or some of the top tier), in some cases the best, you essentially have the cream of the crop participating in these exercises. Not poor, unprofessional and untrustworthy hacks.
The EAF has participated with the USAF and the US Navy for decades since the early 80's with 0 incidents of any kind. The UAE and EAF, for almost two decades, have been training together. Kuwait and Egypt have performed Yarmouk exercise for 10+ years. Saudi Arabia and the EAF just completed Faisal 11 (the 11th of such exercise). Most of the commanding officers leading the EAF Squadrons in these exercises have between 2000 and 4000 flight hours. These aren't the losers you're falsely portraying them to be, or more accurately, accusing the Pakistani pilots of making that claim.
Egypt doesn't even have A2A refueling yet every time they have air refueling qualifications, they pass with flying colors, as do all other air forces.
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Hey, how about both of those "untrustworthy" and "predictably unpredictable" and "unworthy" Arabs performing air refueling during actual, military operations over Yemen.
Going way back to 1982/85. This is a formation flight between USN and EAF jets. Americans are flying an F-14 Tomcat, an F-8 Crusader and a EA-6B Prowler. EAF Jets are MiG-21, F-16, F-4, Mirage V, F-6 and MiG-17. That MiG-17 was a 2-seater and was flown by an EAF veteran with over 3000 hours in MiGs and in the backseat was the US naval commander himself.
Do they fly aggressively when they need to? Of course they do when they're dog fighting. Also going way back.
I'm pretty sure the US pilots had their own lock-on's during many of these exercises.
More US & Egyptian formation flying.
Recent Greek & Egyptian Mirage 2K formation flying.
Very strange behavior considering these are nothing but tarmac toys.
I almost forgot; every other Saudi is a spy?
Those briefs were either fiction or some comedy routine.
J/K BTW.
