John Kerry Just Visited. But Should We Just Forget About India?

[IND151]

What? India is not serving the white masters properly????????

Man...... this is a shock for many people here

Aren't we supposed to lick the boots of our WHITE MASTERS as some people here always blame??

Dont take the trolls from the land to our west and the inhabitants (self proclaimed?) of worlds's so called oldest continuous civilization seriously.

Its simple, America has nothing to offer to us. Thats why we dont offer them becoming another lapdog of the USA

Amercia can offer us many things, but naturally will want something in return.

We keep our interests above everything else, US will off coarse try to pressurize s to do many things, just it presently pressurized us to sign TFA.

But we have to ensure that our interests are not threatened.

 

[Donatello]

You are wrong. They can not ban the IT industry. They would be sued at WTO the next day and the ban revoked within 7 days. Or

India can choose to respond using trade wars, banning Coke, PepsiCo and a couple of others will lead to far greater loss of US than they can do to India.

So please try to understand, apply logic. US can not ban something without running foul of global trade conventions just as we can not ban their companies without the same repercussions. Its not something US is doing out of generosity by allowing Indian companies to work there.

Secondly, on defense technology, India is one of the few nations in the world that can purchase military goods from almost every major defense producer on the planet. US wins tenders of Indian MoD, if US wishes to not participate, we would buy the next best available. So not having something like the C-130 would not be debilitating at all, we can purchase the European equivalent. Now had India not been a paying customer then your statement would have been true. But since India does not take aid, this is a commercial transaction.

Again, I see Pakistanis tend to have a view that US is doing India a favour. That is not so. They are as much constrained by global trade realities as we are. I dont understand why you all put US on a pedestal.

There is a reason why we have an independent foreign policy, its because we factor in all these things when we make our choices. We put our interest first, not US's.

You can ban all the coke/pepsi/mcdonalds you want, it will affect your country more than anything. it would be Indians out of jobs. Coke and Pepsi ruled the world before as well. You tried the 'banning or restricting economic import' approach up till the 1990s, how did that work out? You had to open up and let those $$$ role in. Same here. Banning US products would hurt your people more. Coke closes it's plant down, Indians out of job. USA can get the IT services from elsewhere, or on their own. They defined what ICT means, not India. It will cost them more, but they can shift their business back. Americans aren't exactly lining up to migrate to India, but rather Indians wanting to go to the USA.

Of course this is all if things turn ugly, then USA can do what they want. India needs $$$ more than USA needs INR. Like i have said before, reality is, India is not in a position to dictate anything, certainly not to the US.

 

[Raphael]

There are two unspoken rules here. The first is that any deepening entanglement in the US-India relation can only be motivated by containing China. Right now, China-India ties are stable, so India probably doesn't feel the urgency of acceding to the fairly subservient terms the US has proposed. But if there is ever a breakdown in China-India ties, then I would expect India to go running to the US, no matter how humiliating the terms of cooperation are. The second is that the US is a "jealous" power, and deepening US-India necessarily requires that India cut ties with Russia, apply sanctions, and condemn whatever Russia does in lockstep with other US allies. As of now, India is not prepared to do this.

 

[Contrarian]

You can ban all the coke/pepsi/mcdonalds you want, it will affect your country more than anything. it would be Indians out of jobs. Coke and Pepsi ruled the world before as well. You tried the 'banning or restricting economic import' approach up till the 1990s, how did that work out? You had to open up and let those $$$ role in. Same here. Banning US products would hurt your people more. Coke closes it's plant down, Indians out of job. USA can get the IT services from elsewhere, or on their own. They defined what ICT means, not India. It will cost them more, but they can shift their business back. Americans aren't exactly lining up to migrate to India, but rather Indians wanting to go to the USA.

I dont know what you think will happen or how India is, but the second India bans these cola giants, Indian companies will buy those factories and start their own drinks within 30 days.

US can buy IT services elsewhere, but it will make their companies non-competitive compared to the rest of the world. There is a concept of arbitrage. Its buy high quality at lowest price. There is a reason why Indian companies have US and Europe in the bag in ICT services.
The same reason why US companies can move out of China and manufacture in US. Nothing stops them ofcourse, but they wont/cant do it because their costs will increase and their products will get uncompetitive vis-a-vis the rest of the world.

Lastly, it is because we had a closed economy for many decades and used protectionism that we have Indian companies and skill sets in everything from Steel to education to oil refining to automobiles. Our country needed time to learn and capture the domestic market before being open to competition.

Of course this is all if things turn ugly, then USA can do what they want. India needs $$$ more than USA needs INR. Like i have said before, reality is, India is not in a position to dictate anything, certainly not to the US.

Of course we are not. But you seem to think that US is in a position to dictate anything to India. That is also incorrect.
And decidedly so by our actions across the globe. US is unable to influence us on any matter except over ones where Indian interests converge with US.

There are two unspoken rules here. The first is that any deepening entanglement in the US-India relation can only be motivated by containing China. Right now, China-India ties are stable, so India probably doesn't feel the urgency of acceding to the fairly subservient terms the US has proposed. But if there is ever a breakdown in China-India ties, then I would expect India to go running to the US, no matter how humiliating the terms of cooperation are. The second is that the US is a "jealous" power, and deepening US-India necessarily requires that India cut ties with Russia, apply sanctions, and condemn whatever Russia does in lockstep with other US allies. As of now, India is not prepared to do this.

Incorrect. US proposed such subservient terms the last time as well. India rejected that.
Since then we have had equitable terms and one of the reasons why India has rejected US as an ally. We donot need their aid in any form - either defense or developmental because those come only after agreeing to subservient terms.

We have a commercial relationship on these aspects. Even the sensitive communication equipment on their planes was asked to be removed by us and Indian components fit in, because to get those equipments, US needed India to sign CISMOA. Something we rejected.

We are not American allies as we have made clear, we are partners.