John Kerry Just Visited. But Should We Just Forget About India?

[Spring Onion]

Perfect we never wanted Usa as an ally which has blood of millions on his hand.We are doing good as for now so will be in the future.

USA will never consider us his equal partner but it wants us to be it's sidekick puppet like israelis, Pakistanis, British, Japan which we are not.
India not want to be west sidekick or card which they put against rising chinese.we always have history to be neutral when it comes to statergic policies

UNSC seat???

 

[Echo_419]

Look likes some American (an indian american at that) is pretty mad at India.
Here comes the rant....

John Kerry Just Visited. But Should We Just Forget About India? - The Daily Beast
Here’s how bad things are between Washington and New Delhi these days: It’s news that Kerry even made the trip. Why this reluctant partnership might be best left to wither.

So low is the bar in U.S.-India relations right now that the best thing that can be said about John Kerry’s two-day hop-over to New Delhi was that he went there at all. A relationship that burst into true blossom under George W. Bush, one that held for many Americans the promise of a mold-breaking alliance for the 21st century, lies shabbily dormant. Indeed, the only memorable episode in Kerry’s visit was his scolding by India’s foreign minister, Sushma Swaraj, for the NSA’s spying on her political party.

Should America care? India has little or nothing to contribute to American efforts to tackle the crises in Gaza, Ukraine, Syria, and Iraq. It is a reluctant partner, at best, in Washington’s efforts to rein in Iran and will have no truck with the West in any showdown with Vladimir Putin and Russia. Its incessant push for permanent membership of the United Nations Security Council, while understandable for a country that is the world’s second-most populous, isn’t exactly in America’s interests: New Delhi and Washington frequently find themselves on different sides of votes on U.N. resolutions.

The two countries converge in their legitimate fears of Chinese aggression and expansion in Asia, but even here, India has been loath to embrace any formal alliance that would act as a check on Beijing, for fear of provoking the Chinese into military incursions into Indian territory that New Delhi is shamefully unprepared to counter. Besides, in recent weeks, India has been party to the setting up of a BRICS Bank, with Brazil, Russia, China, and South Africa. This institution was conceived as a way to break America’s global financial hegemony—a word beloved in bureaucratic Delhi, where America is still regarded with a suspicion that is as potent as it is irrational. The BRICS Bank looks, for all its founding rhetoric, like a platform for Chinese hegemony instead. Once more, China appears to have taken India for a ride. But that is another story.

India offers America nothing of concrete strategic value that Washington cannot, currently, live without. Not only does it balk at an alliance of any kind, its political and intellectual elites are wedded still to nonalignment, that antediluvian credo from the years of the Cold War. Intellectual worthies in New Delhi have cooked up something called “Non-alignment 2.0,” by which “India must remain true to its aspiration of creating a new and alternative universality.” For those masochists who want to acquaint themselves better with this Cold War mummy come to life, I suggest a visit to this website. It will swiftly become clear that there is no room in this starry-eyed arrangement for a compact with Washington.

America gets neither strategic comfort nor a fair economic opportunity from India. Perhaps it’s time for Washington to shrug its shoulders and move on.

Forget matters strategic, you may say; banish from your head all thoughts of a military or security handshake. What about economics? Doesn’t India matter to America as a market, a place for wise and profitable investment? Here again, Americans must resign themselves, for the moment, to disappointment.

For all Narendra Modi’s free-market rhetoric in the run-up to the elections, for all the assurances given to investors in back rooms, he has offered scant evidence, in his two months in power, of being the man who will shake up the Indian economy and make his country a more rational place in which to do business. His national budget was only marginally less squishy and Fabian than other, recent Indian budgets, and Thursday’s capricious scuttling by India of a World Trade Organization deal that would have vastly streamlined the global trade system calls into question Modi’s professed ardor for free trade.

American private enterprise has always tread cautiously in India, and there is every indication that it will have to continue to tiptoe its way through, around, and over the cactus grove of Indian regulations. The job of the Obama administration (and that of a likely Hillary administration) will be to persuade India to change its ways. That will be immensely difficult if Mr. Modi continues to backtrack on economic reform. (Why is he doing so? Is it his belief that, having won an emphatic but contentious election, he needs to “buy” social harmony by embracing the sops and subsidies he inherited from the previous quasi-socialist government of Manmohan Singh?)

So, as things stand, America gets neither strategic comfort nor a fair economic opportunity from India. Perhaps it’s time for Washington to shrug its shoulders and move on, leaving a warmer relationship with India to a time when Indians have made up their muddled minds about the kind of country theirs is—or ought to be.

 

[gau8av]

good, all this talk of the US looking at India as their counter balance to Chinese dominance in our region pisses me off. We applaud the rise of China and strive for better relations with all our neighbours and hope to grow together.

in Washington’s efforts to rein in Iran and will have no truck with the West in any showdown with Vladimir Putin and Russia.

damn straight !

 

[NKVD]

UNSC seat???

Its Not So Important That If Jeoperdize Our Sel Esteem. U Will Not Find Modi To More willingly Bow Against Americans Like Manmohan.Singh. As he is A Product of Right Wing Ideology.

 

[Spring Onion]

Its Not So Important That If Jeoperdize Our Sel Esteem. U Will Not Find Modi To More willingly Bow Against Americans Like Manmohan.Singh. As he is A Product of Right Wing Ideology.

Modi will not last forever. Besides self-esteem is a hogwash, an emotional phrase in front of changing world scenario and interests of every country.

 

[Donatello]

Too much damn hypocrisy in this thread. Maybe India needs to realize it is not at that stage that it assumes it is at.

 

[IceCold]

India does not offer this, India does not offer that.......is only what i could read in the article. How about what america can offer? No every country has leaders as shameful as Pakistan. Learn to live with it.

 

[Koovie]

Too much damn hypocrisy in this thread. Maybe India needs to realize it is not at that stage that it assumes it is at.

Its simple, America has nothing to offer to us. Thats why we dont offer them becoming another lapdog of the USA

 

[danger007]

Too much damn hypocrisy in this thread. Maybe India needs to realize it is not at that stage that it assumes it is at.

so you mean .. We should bow to US and become US lapdog? ?? we don't want become another US lapdog. .. If India accept US wishes .. it will destabilise Asia ..

 

[Donatello]

so you mean .. We should bow to US and become US lapdog? ?? we don't want become another US lapdog. .. If India accept US wishes .. it will destabilise Asia ..

No it won't, and being cocky with the only superpower in the world, which will remain as such until atleast 2030, isn't exactly going to do wonders.

Its simple, America has nothing to offer to us. Thats why we dont offer them becoming another lapdog of the USA

You must be joking. Majority of your IT industry gets its revenues from USA. If they were to impose bans, say good bye to those IT people seeking H1 visas. the fact that your companies seek H1 Visas desperately, seems to suggest that America offers a lot. America is a big market, and in return if India behaves, it can get what it wants from US defense industry, something it will never be able to produce on its own in the next 20-40 years probably. So don't be cocky without anything. While one is a superpower, the other is piss poor third world. We all know how that works out.

 

[danger007]

No it won't, and being cocky with the only superpower in the world, which will remain as such until atleast 2030, isn't exactly going to do wonders.



You must be joking. Majority of your IT industry gets its revenues from USA. If they were to impose bans, say good bye to those IT people seeking H1 visas. the fact that your companies seek H1 Visas desperately, seems to suggest that America offers a lot. America is a big market, and in return if India behaves, it can get what it wants from US defense industry, something it will never be able to produce on its own in the next 20-40 years probably. So don't be cocky without anything. While one is a superpower, the other is piss poor third world. We all know how that works out.

it will... so you wanted us go along with US moves ... become pawn for US pivot Asia ???

 

[Bang Galore]

What's with so many people here having a go at the U.S. ? It's not an opinion of anyone in the U.S. administration, just one of many, many opinion writers. Can find a dozen in favour to every one like this. There is a reason Kerry came to India, there is a reason Modi made light of the earlier slight. This relationship (US-India) is important & until someone in the U.S. government says differently, we really should ignore pieces like this one except to use it to understand the "other" view. There are plenty in India who advocate cutting off relations with the U.S., we don't take them seriously nor do the Americans, so why should we do any different in this case.

 

[Koovie]

No it won't, and being cocky with the only superpower in the world, which will remain as such until atleast 2030, isn't exactly going to do wonders.



You must be joking. Majority of your IT industry gets its revenues from USA. If they were to impose bans, say good bye to those IT people seeking H1 visas. the fact that your companies seek H1 Visas desperately, seems to suggest that America offers a lot. America is a big market, and in return if India behaves, it can get what it wants from US defense industry, something it will never be able to produce on its own in the next 20-40 years probably. So don't be cocky without anything. While one is a superpower, the other is piss poor third world. We all know how that works out.

I am talking about what the US government has to offer and not American companies

 

[Contrarian]

No it won't, and being cocky with the only superpower in the world, which will remain as such until atleast 2030, isn't exactly going to do wonders.



You must be joking. Majority of your IT industry gets its revenues from USA. If they were to impose bans, say good bye to those IT people seeking H1 visas. the fact that your companies seek H1 Visas desperately, seems to suggest that America offers a lot. America is a big market, and in return if India behaves, it can get what it wants from US defense industry, something it will never be able to produce on its own in the next 20-40 years probably. So don't be cocky without anything. While one is a superpower, the other is piss poor third world. We all know how that works out.

You are wrong. They can not ban the IT industry. They would be sued at WTO the next day and the ban revoked within 7 days. Or

India can choose to respond using trade wars, banning Coke, PepsiCo and a couple of others will lead to far greater loss of US than they can do to India.

So please try to understand, apply logic. US can not ban something without running foul of global trade conventions just as we can not ban their companies without the same repercussions. Its not something US is doing out of generosity by allowing Indian companies to work there.

Secondly, on defense technology, India is one of the few nations in the world that can purchase military goods from almost every major defense producer on the planet. US wins tenders of Indian MoD, if US wishes to not participate, we would buy the next best available. So not having something like the C-130 would not be debilitating at all, we can purchase the European equivalent. Now had India not been a paying customer then your statement would have been true. But since India does not take aid, this is a commercial transaction.

Again, I see Pakistanis tend to have a view that US is doing India a favour. That is not so. They are as much constrained by global trade realities as we are. I dont understand why you all put US on a pedestal.

There is a reason why we have an independent foreign policy, its because we factor in all these things when we make our choices. We put our interest first, not US's.

 

[GURU DUTT]

No it won't, and being cocky with the only superpower in the world, which will remain as such until atleast 2030, isn't exactly going to do wonders.



You must be joking. Majority of your IT industry gets its revenues from USA. If they were to impose bans, say good bye to those IT people seeking H1 visas. the fact that your companies seek H1 Visas desperately, seems to suggest that America offers a lot. America is a big market, and in return if India behaves, it can get what it wants from US defense industry, something it will never be able to produce on its own in the next 20-40 years probably. So don't be cocky without anything. While one is a superpower, the other is piss poor third world. We all know how that works out.

US is indeed the sole super power as of now and will remain in the same spot for at least 3 more decades if not more but for that it needs India as we all know indian feelings against china and US also thinks that way but the thing is niether china nor US will think twice to ditch us if there interests are harmed so why on earth should we tow there action plan

as for IT sector or the services well even if US imposes ban it will be distsrous to its own economy more than indian and i dought they will put there economy on libne for such trivial matters

US needs india as a counter wieght to china and need indian market desparatelli to gets its economy back into top gear

so the bottom line is like we both need each other and cant igonre each other for long but its a two way traffick and we will make sure it benefits owr interests as much as its benefits US


but as of now US is tryingto bully us and that for at least last 4 decades for the same lets see who blinks first