Jharkhand Court Convicts 11 'Gau Rakshaks' of Murder in Alimuddin Lynching Case

[Advaitagrata]

I was not aware that "Hinduism" is something that can be given and taken; controlled and monitored. Clearly you must be one of those "bhakts" we keep hearing about.

If , as per your new claim Hinduism cannot be given or Taken, controlled and monitored, What exactly did you mean when YOU asked " how much more Hinduism is needed?"

Its the equivalent of asking "how much more air is needed".

I am indeed a Hindu Bhakt . Was that suppose to be an insult ?

These mindless acts of the deluded few ought to have been stopped much earlier before it could snowball out of control. Sadly, it takes our judiciary to fulfill the obligations of the executive. Nevertheless, it is a step in the right direction and there's lot more to do..

Vigilante justice is not a mindless act. Its a deliberate act in repose to lack of police action to protect public interest.

Also judging a criminal act is NOT the function of the executive ...... its definitely the role of the judiciary.

Get an education.

 

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If , as per your new claim Hinduism cannot be given or Taken, controlled and monitored, What exactly did you mean when YOU asked " how much more Hinduism is needed?"

Its the equivalent of asking "how much more air is needed".

I am indeed a Hindu Bhakt . Was that suppose to be an insult ?



Vigilante justice is not a mindless act. Its a deliberate act in repose to lack of police action to protect public interest.

Also judging a criminal act is NOT the function of the executive ...... its definitely the role of the judiciary.

Get and education.

These criminal activities are very much mindless in the sense that the perpetrators of such types of vigilantism are easily swayed away towards the path of pathological hatred and violence without the least regard for the law of the land or the values espoused by the Indian Union.

Understanding the psyche of deranged individuals and taking preemptive action accordingly to prevent further flaring up of tempers is the core responsibility of an effective and efficient executive.

And I have to say with a heavy heart that the executive has failed us citizens in that regard.

 

[WreckingBall]

If , as per your new claim Hinduism cannot be given or Taken, controlled and monitored, What exactly did you mean when YOU asked " how much more Hinduism is needed?"

Its the equivalent of asking "how much more air is needed".

I am indeed a Hindu Bhakt . Was that suppose to be an insult ?



Vigilante justice is not a mindless act. Its a deliberate act in repose to lack of police action to protect public interest.

Also judging a criminal act is NOT the function of the executive ...... its definitely the role of the judiciary.

Get and education.

No, it is the equivalent of asking - "How much role should a religion play in a modern nation state?"

Only as much as "secular" is an insult.

 

[Advaitagrata]

These criminal activities are very much mindless in the sense that the perpetrators of such types of vigilantism are easily swayed away towards the path of pathological hatred and violence without the least regard for the law of the land or the values espoused by the Indian Union.

Understanding the psyche of deranged individuals and taking preemptive action accordingly to prevent further flaring up of tempers is the core responsibility of an effective and efficient executive.

And I have to say with a heavy heart that the executive has failed us citizens in that regard.

Pathological hate is a natural response to denial of justice and in the face of repeated insult and injury.

That it would mix with vigilante justice is hardly surprising.

Which is why western nations have JURIES of their peer who get to decide their actual status, and not just on cold law.

That a cow smuggler was operating with such impudence under the nose of the police, was just a time bomb waiting to explode.

So yes, the executive did fail us, and so did the polity when it indulged in minority vote banks.

No, it is the equivalent of asking - "How much role should a religion play in a modern nation state?"

Only as much as "secular" is an insult.

How did "Hinduism" become equal to "religion" ? Hinduism is just ONE specific religion.

In your eagerness to demonstrate your "secularism" , you forgot to ask how much "christiantiy and how much islam was needed"

Even then, your whole premise of the question is wrong.

Who is the "modern nation state" to decide the role of religion ? This can only mean that you DO BELIEVE Hindusim needs to be controlled and monitored by the nation state.

So either you deliberately LIED earlier when you said that you do not seek to control it, or you so stupid that you do not understand the significance of your question. SO which is it ?

Considering you appear to be a "secular", I would think you are just plain stupid. I would have preferred you to be a liar. At least there is hope for a liar to reform.

 

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Pathological hate is a natural response to denial of justice and in the face of repeated insult and injury.

That it would mix with vigilante justice is hardly surprising.

Which is why western nations have JURIES of their peer who get to decide their actual status, and not just on cold law.

That a cow smuggler was operating with such impudence under the nose of the police, was just a time bomb waiting to explode.

So yes, the executive did fail us, and so did the polity when it indulged in minority vote banks.

I find it quite unbelievable that people are still trying to pander to these heinous acts of crime citing historical injustice apparently on religious grounds. More instances wouldn't have occurred had the first lynching been nipped in the bud with an iron hand. And I am not even delving into the propriety of it as it would be opening an Pandora's box.

There are good reasons as to why trial by jury has been abandoned in India in favour of bench trial. Thank God for that!

But I do agree with you when you say that the legislature is equally at fault, because these incidents are a result of their own doing.

 

[Advaitagrata]

I find it quite unbelievable that people are still trying to pander to these heinous acts of crime citing historical injustice apparently on religious grounds. More instances wouldn't have occurred had the first lynching been nipped in the bud with an iron hand. And I am not even delving into the propriety of it as it would be opening an Pandora's box.

There are good reasons as to why trial by jury has been abandoned in India in favour of bench trial. Thank God for that!

But I do agree with you when you say that the legislature is equally at fault, because these incidents are a result of their own doing.

People have been laying claims on Jerusulem for the last 2000 years based on historic injustice and religious grounds. I find your "surprise" Naive.

The first lynching would not have happened if the law had nipped the illegal cattle trade in the bud. If the law had arrested when a calf was illegally stolen, killed and feasted by a family in UP.

The Gujarat riots would not have happened, if mob of Muslims had not locked a train compartment and set it on fire with women and children inside.

You reap what you sow. That is the universal law of nature.

As for the lack of Jury system in India, It only demonstrates the lack of faith, people like you have on your fellow citizens. Maybe you would like to have the British back since you seem to suggest both the citizens and the polity has failed you.

 

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People have been laying claims on Jerusulem for the last 2000 years based on historic injustice and religious grounds. I find your "surprise" Naive.

The first lynching would not have happened if the law had nipped the illegal cattle trade in the bud. If the law had arrested when a calf was illegally stolen, killed and feasted by a family in UP.

The Gujarat riots would not have happened, if mob of Muslims had not locked a train compartment and set it on fire with women and children inside.

You reap what you sow. That is the universal law of nature.

As for the lack of Jury system in India, It only demonstrates the lack of faith, people like you have on your fellow citizens. Maybe you would like to have the British back since you seem to suggest both the citizens and the polity has failed you.

How conveniently you use the word 'polity' time and again in response to my reply, are you trying to be wilfully ignorant or you are really in dark about the connotations of the two words.

What stops you from implementing the said law in my home state of Assam, or for that matter in Arunachal, Nagaland or Mizoram. Are the Hindus residing in those provinces not your own? Do the holy cows and calves there not require protection from the cattle smugglers and the beef-eaters? O savior, where art thou?

 

[Advaitagrata]

How conveniently you use the word 'polity' time and again in response to my reply, are you trying to be wilfully ignorant or you are really in dark about the connotations of the two words.

What stops you from implementing the said law in my home state of Assam, or for that matter in Arunachal, Nagaland or Mizoram. Are the Hindus residing in those provinces not your own? Do the holy cows and calves there not require protection from the cattle smugglers and the beef-eaters? O savior, where art thou?

You mean apart from the fact that I am not the CM of Assam or Nagaland or Mizoram ?

The protection of the cows and calves in these states is the responsibility of the people of these states.

SO this is as question I should be asking haters like you. What are YOU doing about it ? .... other than abusing the executive and somehow pretending that its MY responsibility. What a hypocrite.

 

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You mean apart from the fact that I am not the CM of Assam or Nagaland or Mizoram ?

The protection of the cows and calves in these states is the responsibility of the people of these states.

SO this is as question I should be asking haters like you. What are YOU doing about it ? .... other than abusing the executive and somehow pretending that its MY responsibility. What a hypocrite.

There goes your duplicity for a toss. Apart from Entry 15 of the seventh schedule, cattle slaughter also falls under the ambit of Directive Principles of State Policy under Article 48. Therefore it is not only the CMs of Assam, Mizoram and Nagaland but also the Central Government who can frame laws to that effect.

If a right-wing predominantly Hindu centre won't look after the interests of the Hindus of those far flung states, who will then?

 

[Advaitagrata]

There goes your duplicity for a toss. Apart from Entry 15 of the seventh schedule, cattle slaughter also falls under the ambit of Directive Principles of State Policy under Article 48. Therefore it is not only the CMs of Assam, Mizoram and Nagaland but also the Central Government who can frame laws to that effect.

If a right-wing predominantly Hindu centre won't look after the interests of the Hindus of those far flung states, who will then?

Are you under the impression I am Modi ?

In any case, Law and order is a state subject as you very well know. Its quite shameless of you to deny responsibility and expect Me and Modi to be responsible.

What are YOU doing about this violation of the Law of this country ? First tell us that. After all you said you Live in Assam where all this take place.

 

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Are you under the impression I am Modi ?

In any case, Law and order is a state subject as you very well know. Its quite shameless of you to deny responsibility and expect Me and Modi to be responsible.

What are YOU doing about this violation of the Law of this country ? First tell us that. After all you said you Live in Assam where all this take place.

What I want your kind to do is to do nothing about it, just stay put and let people be. People with such rabid ideologies have been nibbling away like termites at the very foundation of our nation-state that took our forefathers years to build. Do you want our country to turn into another Pakistan or Bangladesh? Don't give those vultures a sniff, they have been waiting in anticipation for us to get mired in further decadence.

Let us keep our religious beliefs personal without being overly imposing, and let others profess their faith the same way. If you think you can't coexist with some other faith,fine, at least try to be indifferent to it.

 

[Advaitagrata]

What I want your kind to do is to do nothing about it, just stay put and let people be. People with such rabid ideologies have been nibbling away like termites at the very foundation of our nation-state that took our forefathers years to build. Do you want our country to turn into another Pakistan or Bangladesh? Don't give those vultures a sniff, they have been waiting in anticipation for us to get mired in further decadence.

Let us keep our religious beliefs personal without being overly imposing, and let others profess their faith the same way. If you think you can't coexist with some other faith,fine, at least try to be indifferent to it.

LOL... Nobody gives a $hit as to what you want pappu.

How old are you anyway ? This is not your fathers house where you can go around telling people what you want.

BJP is a party that will wipe away people with rabid ideologies nibbling at the foundations of India.

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Also what makes you think that you can offer unwanted and unsolicited advice to others ? First learn to respect alternate views and learn to be tolerant about it, before you go about telling people what you want and what you think.

 

[Max]

They will get relief from supreme Court of gangaland like modi.

 

[comfortably_numb]

LOL... Nobody gives a $hit as to what you want pappu.

How old are you anyway ? This is not your fathers house where you can go around telling people what you want.

BJP is a party that will wipe away people with rabid ideologies nibbling at the foundations of India.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...m&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=TOIIndiaNews

National anthem played for first time in Tripura Assembly


Also what makes you think that you can offer unwanted and unsolicited advice to others ? First learn to respect alternate views and learn to be tolerant about it, before you go about telling people what you want and what you think.

I honestly don't know what these words like 'tolerance', 'secular' or 'alternate views' mean anymore. Often see such words(oh, and pappu as well) strewn around in random sentences, never cared much about it. Need to keep abreast with the thinkings of our nouveau-enlightened 'brigade' who are bent on changing the idea of India in a massive way.

 

[Advaitagrata]

I honestly don't know what these words like 'tolerance', 'secular' or 'alternate views' mean anymore. Often see such words(oh, and pappu as well) strewn around in random sentences, never cared much about it. Need to keep abreast with the thinkings of our nouveau-enlightened 'brigade' who are bent on changing the idea of India in a massive way.

Glad to see that you have finally decided to get an education. You have my full support.