JF17:---More Hard Points Bigger Engine---Why!!!!!

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Where the Paf failed and made the error was not understanding the concept of the USAF of modern BVR combat in a timely manner---.

To be fair the PAF Rose upgrade was meant to be just that, to give the Mirages BVR capability. PAF was looking into it as early as the mid 90s. Why a BVR was not acquired for the Mirage is beyond me

 

[MastanKhan]

To be fair the PAF Rose upgrade was meant to be just that, to give the Mirages BVR capability. PAF was looking into it as early as the mid 90s. Why a BVR was not acquired for the Mirage is beyond me

Till late---the BVR was considered as a secondary capability not too reliable---the BVR capability in the mirage rose upgrade was considered because the change has taken place---.

The current concept of the BVR that the Paf is displaying now---which the USAF had 25 + years ago---if that had been considered---the JF17 would be a different aircraft----.

 

[GriffinsRule]

What is the technical issue that would keep the JF-17 from not being able to employ the H2/H4?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

What is the technical issue that would keep the JF-17 from not being able to employ the H2/H4?

Maybe ground clearance

 

[Falcon26]

To be fair the PAF Rose upgrade was meant to be just that, to give the Mirages BVR capability. PAF was looking into it as early as the mid 90s. Why a BVR was not acquired for the Mirage is beyond me

what options were available at the time? PAF was always quite interested in both BVR and AWACS during the 1990s and even earlier but lacked suppliers.

Couple of points:
1. The JF-17 was designed BEFORE the Ra'ad so a possible argument is that the Ra'ad should have been designed to be carried by the JF-17. This brings me to point 2.
2. An ALCM capability was needed for strategic purposes at all costs. I believe that the designers simply did not have the time, resources, and technology to design the perfect ALCM that is capable of being carried by all aircraft in PAF. They had limited time, resources, and technology and they did the best they could to give PAF a capability it lacked.

Now that that capability has been there for a while and has matured more things (such as SOW for JF-17) are coming online and I am reasonably certain that a smaller ALCM is in development.

SOM from Turkey is always an option. But for that to happen PAF needs to be creative and stop fixating on the Ra’ad. SOM is a stealthy next generation cruise missile that can prove useful against Indian AD systems.

 

[Deino]

Even on mirage the intake only drops out after launch and before launch it’s inside the missile body

But does this make that CG real?

 

[GriffinsRule]

Maybe ground clearance

If it can carry tanks under the wing, it should be able to carry the South African missiles too. There is plenty of clearance.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

what options were available at the time? PAF was always quite interested in both BVR and AWACS during the 1990s and even earlier but lacked suppliers.



SOM from Turkey is always an option. But for that to happen PAF needs to be creative and stop fixating on the Ra’ad. SOM is a stealthy next generation cruise missile that can prove useful against Indian AD systems.

IMO making your own SOW in the competitive market is not easy. If we want to make our own SOW with aim to export it then its a very long shot.
So the only good solution in my opinion is Rokestan's SOM.

If it can carry tanks under the wing, it should be able to carry the South African missiles too. There is plenty of clearance.

What about SOM from Turkey???

 

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what options were available at the time? PAF was always quite interested in both BVR

The only other options were to buy the
1) Mirage 2000 and Mica missiles
2) Mica missiles and/or the R-Darter for the Mirage Rose. I believe the ROSE I aircraft were delivered in early 1999

In an ideal world the PAF would not have been sanctioned in the 90s. We would have got the required 100+ F16s. The older airframes would have been MLUed for the AIM7/120 and Lantrin pods in the mid 90s. As a result the PAF would have probably taken a potshot at that infamous MiG25 that flew over Islamabad, with a BVR and played a more active role in Kargil

 

[Falcon26]

IMO making your own SOW in the competitive market is not easy. If we want to make our own SOW with aim to export it then its a very long shot.
So the only good solution in my opinion is Rokestan's SOM.


What about SOM from Turkey???

plus with the upcoming naval version of the SOM, JF-17 can become a deadly anti-ship platform.

 

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AWACS during the 1990s

The Americans were willing to give PAF the E2 Hawkeye during the 80s but the PAF wanted the E3.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

what options were available at the time? PAF was always quite interested in both BVR and AWACS during the 1990s and even earlier but lacked suppliers.



SOM from Turkey is always an option. But for that to happen PAF needs to be creative and stop fixating on the Ra’ad. SOM is a stealthy next generation cruise missile that can prove useful against Indian AD systems.

SOM is smaller and shorter-ranged than Ra'ad/II. It'd fill a conventional role for sure, but another option could be to look at the heavier (but similarly ranged) Raptor III.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

SOM is smaller and shorter-ranged than Ra'ad/II. It'd fill a conventional role for sure, but another option could be to look at the heavier (but similarly ranged) Raptor III.

SOM also has low observability.

 

[denel]

Maybe ground clearance

ground clearance is the challenge.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

@khanasifm
What about better engine with more fuel efficiency which will free the 3 HPs we usually see occupied by Fuel tanks???