JF17 is an aircraft of present,Tejas is an aircraft of future - IAF chief

[My-Analogous]

Tejas mk1a has all the qualities that are required in jf blk 3.
Jf is only better in numbers that too because paf inducted jf as soon as it was delivered by China...
If paf would have wanted full fledged jf then the numbers would be much less ..
Iaf is not in hurry so it wanted all the features from day1.

What you are talking about is still not available in LCA its self and MK1a is far way from IAF reach and need another 3 to 4 years at least where as block 3 will be operational by next year and our up gradation program for block 1 and 2 will be progress simultaneously. IAF production line its self busy for next 3 year so don't talk big and be realistic. In real world PAF achieved her target on jf17 and LCA is still in lots of dark clouds over her. Our block 4 is now on drawing board if we are planning for that. So by the time lca1a start production our block4 entering PAF. As far as i thick JF17 will go upto block 5 and then we have 5th gen fighter

 

[GURU DUTT]

year 1990 war??? defence.pk should correct your title ELITE TROLL

First produce your AESA / HMD equipped plane then talk.

& what make you think that our JF-17 will remain same??? PAF will not only produce Block-3 but will also upgrade older version.

do you even make a 80CC moped engine or a water jet pump inhouse and tthen you guys dream of AESA Radar & HMD


but guess what we have already made LDRE Uttam AESA radar

https://www.quora.com/Is-India-developing-working-on-AESA-radars

http://idrw.org/its-uttam-aesa-vs-israeli-elta-2052-aesa-for-tejas-mk1a/

One answer to all your Like. JF17 flying LIKE fighter plane since 2008, while other is still in IOC configuration. JF17 have logs over 20,000 plus (in 2016 they achieved 19,000 https://quwa.org/2016/04/29/jf-17-logs-19000-operational-flight-hours/ and now we have 100 plus on air) operational flight hours compare to other just starting her life.
I hope you guys find solution for that as well to match operational hours of Tejas. Serious note: Tejas if start now it need atleast 6 to 8 years to test and understanding and develop tactics according to that whereas JF17 already passed that phase. JF17 is now 10 year old mature platform and that is the biggest advantage JF17 have over Tejas

wake up kidd tejas is already oprational and inducted and it does not needs kavery it has GE404 and MK1A alreay in intiration proces with a vrsion of 98 Kn GE414

there is second Production line already opration in full wsing and 8 already handed over to IAF 32 more to come in MK1 (FOC ) format after 83 that MK1A format (550-800 less wieght than MK1 version + AESA radar & Full GaN AESA based RWR+EW+ECM+Internal Jammer & avionics suits & internal forward looking IRST sensor & 360 degrees all aspect HOBS) so dont worry we already fight testing these capbilities on six diffrent platforms

BS argument. Must have been invented by some LCA fanboy to sleep well at night.

they are not Bs argument they are bitter facts JF 17 even does not have OBOGS which MK1 has

 

[Ultima Thule]

do you even make a 80CC moped engine or a water jet pump inhouse and tthen you guys dream of AESA Radar & HMD


but guess what we have already made LDRE Uttam AESA radar

https://www.quora.com/Is-India-developing-working-on-AESA-radars

http://idrw.org/its-uttam-aesa-vs-israeli-elta-2052-aesa-for-tejas-mk1a/


wake up kidd tejas is already oprational and inducted and it does not needs kavery it has GE404 and MK1A alreay in intiration proces with a vrsion of 98 Kn GE414

there is second Production line already opration in full wsing and 8 already handed over to IAF 32 more to come in MK1 (FOC ) format after 83 that MK1A format (550-800 less wieght than MK1 version + AESA radar & Full GaN AESA based RWR+EW+ECM+Internal Jammer & avionics suits & internal forward looking IRST sensor & 360 degrees all aspect HOBS) so dont worry we already fight testing these capbilities on six diffrent platforms

We have different approach to our JF-17, we are currently building base for our future Aviation product, IAF wants complete /finished product from all angles thats why LCA/Tejas become late and we wants incremental upgrade for our JF-17 @GURU DUTT

 

[GURU DUTT]

All this is your imagination. Indian masses are being fooled for last 40 years in the name of Teja. While comparing it with JFT, don't tell us it WILL have this or that technology. You already have delivered that BS at massive scale. Tell us only what your Teja has on it now! It is a paper plane that used to take ride on the back of a truck. Now after getting help from numerous foreign sources, it managed to get air born. Still it's just a flying plane (not a fighter plane) that cannot even demo a slow fly past leave alone it is equipped with weapon systems and is in active service with the IAF. In fact, IAF have turned it into a hanger queen have no real role in air defence.

do you have any idea how much time did it take to concve the idea of euro fighter typhoon or rafale or grippen even when both dassault & unted contorium makers typhoon or SAAB invested in there prograams or how mych time they took

or for how much time they were in this field

tell me dear what has pakistan invested or made on its on in las 70 years like a 80CC moped ingine or diesel engine for agro use or water pump set for irrigation ... anythng and you are taunting india ... a poor nation struggilng with acute poverty trying to come up with inovovtive ways to get even ... waht did you do forget us

We have different approach to our JF-17, we are currently building base for our future Aviation product, IAF wants complete /finished product from all angles thats why LCA/Tejas become late and we wants incremental upgrade for our JF-17 @GURU DUTT

but LCA teajs is nit the future of IAL like JF17 is your only future @pakistanipower

as i told you we already made it as a POINT defnce fighter to replace Mig21s & Mig27s and even in its MK1 format it is more than capable for all those role and even in single sortioes take more combat load in a single sortoe than a Mig 21 + a Mig27 in a single sortie and with atrategic deapth of owr western neugbpur and types & numbers & locations of air fields its going to be pasted its 350-400 Km combat radius on internal feull with full weapons load is more than a over kill for the kind of role ,wieght & size it has

 

[ALi Rizwan]

do you even make a 80CC moped engine or a water jet pump inhouse and tthen you guys dream of AESA Radar & HMD


but guess what we have already made LDRE Uttam AESA radar

https://www.quora.com/Is-India-developing-working-on-AESA-radars

http://idrw.org/its-uttam-aesa-vs-israeli-elta-2052-aesa-for-tejas-mk1a/

How many AESA & HMD equipped/integrated operational plane you have????
& i am not talking about testing, underproduction or drawing.

i am not sure if ELITE TROLL knows that but for your kind info not only weapon / system integration but also testing limit and making strategies accordingly take time its not like plug & play.

 

[Ultima Thule]

but LCA teajs is nit the future of IAL like JF17 is your only future @pakistanipower

as i told you we already made it as a POINT defnce fighter to replace Mig21s & Mig27s and even in its MK1 format it is more than capable for all those role and even in single sortioes take more combat load in a single sortoe than a Mig 21 + a Mig27 in a single sortie and with atrategic deapth of owr western neugbpur and types & numbers & locations of air fields its going to be pasted its 350-400 Km combat radius on internal feull with full weapons load is more than a over kill for the kind of role ,wieght & size it has

with due respect i already told you we have not a vast aviation industry as India has, we building our aviation base through JF-17 and our future will 5th gen project "AZM" with help of friendly countries like China and turkey, JF-17 isn't our first and last project @GURU DUTT

 

[GURU DUTT]

How many AESA & HMD equipped/integrated operational plane you have????
& i am not talking about testing, underproduction or drawing.

i am not sure if ELITE TROLL knows that but for your kind info not only weapon / system integration but also testing limit and making strategies accordingly take time its not like plug & play.

looks like you have some saught of reading problem

ok let me tell you again all LCA MK1 have Israeli DASH3 HMDS & HUD with PYTHON5 for HOBS & El/M-2032 MMR as radar & DERBY & I DERBY ER as BVR combo & Lietning3 G3 as Laser designation POD (withe paveway2 & Griffin & spike class PGM & SDB famlies)

now as for AESA

LRDE made UTTAM

ELTA Made EL 2052

Thales made RBE2AA

are tested with diffrent sets of avionics and EW+ECM+Internal jammaer suits(Gan AESA based)

with due respect i already told you we have not a vast aviation industry as India has, we building our aviation base through JF-17 and our future will 5th gen project "AZM" with help of friendly countries like China and turkey, JF-17 isn't our first and last project @GURU DUTT

my best wishes

we also did the same with LCA

it helped us creat a new R&D network from grounds up in almost every fiend concerning aviation that helped in almost every other field like aito industry to soft wares to medicen to space research and more its just how you apply your skills and the ammount of braon power you utilise

sanctions on india prooved to be blessing in disguise we lerned so many more things which we would have left other wise but now deu to entry of many elite tech clubs we will get the latest tech and machinerry to develop them even faster at world class level

chona could do so as they had 20 years ahead jump start than us but ok we will get ther better late than never

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

CAS os simply saying Tejas is getting ready for the Air WAR of the Future while PAF has readied its JF17 for the WAR in 1990s or early 2000s which isnt bad but is it really great to stand against the latest fighters laden with western weapons and Radars & counter measures and jammers..... think about that cause tejas is getting ready for it even though Tejas is not a Front tine Fighter .. it is just a POINT DEFENCE Fighter or a Internal Vigil & a internal Close aair Support providing fighter when the big boys of IAF will be bizzy attacking the enemy in enemy air space

You forget that JF17 is not a static platform and it too is developing with each block. There is nothing is Tejas plans that is not already considered by PAF. JF17 is BVR equipped fighter is stop this sour grapes bullshit.

Already explained what the CAS meant.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf17...-future-iaf-chief.555649/page-9#post-10453889


There was no nonsense in what he said. The only nonsense comes from what was interpreted from his words.

Now if the definitive version of the LCA, the LCA Mk1A, set to arrive from 2021 onwards, comes with AESA, advanced EW, sensor fusion etc, then wouldn't it be the aircraft of the future versus the currently operational JF-17 with older technologies, which is the aircraft of the present?

This is what he meant by "Depends on what we equip Tejas with".

Why are people overthinking this stuff?

When comparing Tejas and JF-17, you guys used to argue that the JF-17 is operational today (meaning it is available in the present) while the Tejas is not (meaning it will be operational in the future). So why are you now arguing against your own arguments when the CAS only said what you lot said?

In other words the CAS is saying that the JF-17 is operational today, the LCA will be operational tomorrow with better technologies. Simple.

You forget to mention the entirely corrupt indian procurement system is yet to jump in and yet still sabotage any teas developments in favor of buying super expensive kickback paying aircraft from outside.

 

[Vapnope]

Why an aircraft of the future is being rejected time and again?

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Where is Tejas you say.
Tejas is inducted in the IAF serving with the Flying daggers No. 45 squadron.

HAL has 2 production facilities that can produce 8 Tejas annually whereas a third production facility is going to open next year that will produce 8 more, bringing up the production rate to the promised 16 per year.

When was Tejas Started?
How much money has been spent on Tejas development?
How many Tejas have been inducted?
How many are in production?
What is unit cost per aircraft?

When you will look at the numbers, you will realize that aside from the duty of trying to demoralize Pakistani progress online, your Tejas is only a pile of horse manure peddled by your DRDO and already rejected by professional pilots in IAF.

 

[ALi Rizwan]

looks like you have some saught of reading problem

ok let me tell you again all LCA MK1 have Israeli DASH3 HMDS & HUD with PYTHON5 for HOBS & El/M-2032 MMR as radar & DERBY & I DERBY ER as BVR combo & Lietning3 G3 as Laser designation POD (withe paveway2 & Griffin & spike class PGM & SDB famlies)

DO you know difference b/w flying and operational? & when it get FOC????

 

[GURU DUTT]

When was Tejas Started?
How much money has been spent on Tejas development?
How many Tejas have been inducted?
How many are in production?
What is unit cost per aircraft?

When you will look at the numbers, you will realize that aside from the duty of trying to demoralize Pakistani progress online, your Tejas is only a pile of horse manure peddled by your DRDO and already rejected by professional pilots in IAF.

1. 1993 as money was clered then
2.some 2.6 billion including every thing (R&D, buing engines, weapons , tools, avionics& pauing salries& making protyps)
3.25ofwhich 8 have been inducted till date in IAF
4.unit cost of Teajs 32 million can come down when mass production comes online
5. you are a dunce if you dont even know that DRDO does not do R&D for LCA but HAL & ARDE

last but not the least Tejas is at best a R&D project to make a aviation ecosystem in india which it did and india is proud to have it and its even in its MK1 format has all those capabilities and more that JF17 wants to aquire in its BLK III version weather you like it or not i does not change the fact

and weather tejas has less number it does not makes any diffrence as tejas is not the only fighter for IAF's future but JF17 sure is the future war horse of PAF so be reday for combined force of Jaguars+MIg29s+Mirage2000V5s+Su30MKI+Rafales+ Mig21 Bisons and then maube LCA

DO you know difference b/w flying and operational? & when it get FOC????

do you know tejas has 17 prototypes flight testing even now made more than 4000 flying hours of flight testing since jan2001 and it got FINAL OPERATIONAL CLEARENCE IN 2015 go do some research kid

Why an aircraft of the future is being rejected time and again?

cause the changes in latest techonoly of war once Pulse doppler radar was the best then PESA radar was the best ten came GaA radar now GaN radar in the best who know whats the best tomorrow ,, its called pushing the envelop thats why so much money is keep piurung in R&D of weapons and such non fruitfull things


tell me @Vapnope if JF17 is so great why did PLAAF reject it

You forget that JF17 is not a static platform and it too is developing with each block. There is nothing is Tejas plans that is not already considered by PAF. JF17 is BVR equipped fighter is stop this sour grapes bullshit.



You forget to mention the entirely corrupt indian procurement system is yet to jump in and yet still sabotage any teas developments in favor of buying super expensive kickback paying aircraft from outside.

so you mean IAF is sleeping about PAF and its war palns

and do you think there is no curruption is pakistani militarry procurment

have you ever seen the life stayles of even third genration of kids of pakistani militarry(army, navy & air force) women & kids living in UK , USA & europe

even richest indian kids from industrialist familes can only dream to spend like that

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We need more of our Block 3 Present plane

 

[randomradio]

You forget that JF17 is not a static platform and it too is developing with each block. There is nothing is Tejas plans that is not already considered by PAF. JF17 is BVR equipped fighter is stop this sour grapes bullshit.

Sure, the JF-17 is not static, but the CAS was talking about the operational JF-17s, not any future version of the JF-17.

There is indeed nothing special in Tejas, except that it was designed and developed in India. After the Tejas, it's obvious that the Indian industry will now move up the value chain.

You forget to mention the entirely corrupt indian procurement system is yet to jump in and yet still sabotage any teas developments in favor of buying super expensive kickback paying aircraft from outside.

Meh. If the procurement system is corrupt, then provide proof and become a millionaire. RaGa will pay you the money. You can then retire in the US, UK or Canada with your millions. As a bonus, you will see the Indian procurement system completely demolished, and it works in your favour.

I am sure that if not you, then at least the ISI will have proof of scams that can bring India's modernization plans to a grinding halt, like it did with Bofors. So why haven't you provided the proof yet?

Talk is cheap.

 

[HRK]

to all Pakistani members who are engaging a known troll poster who is posting BS need to know that their own intellectual capacity will be undermine if they keep doing the same

and for the BS posted by the known troll
http://www.tejas.gov.in/history/milestones.html