JF17 is an aircraft of present,Tejas is an aircraft of future - IAF chief

[MimophantSlayer]

Honestly tell the guy in the picture to take his rusty sack of balls and be off to goodness heavens in the politest sense. Again and again i see Indian give too much shit on money. LCA is a national security project and a scientist or manager should never be allowed to bring the money shtick into question. Oh look at me i saved 20 rupess vs ravi who only saved 1.5 rs. I am better blah blah blah. Tell them they will recieve their paycheck when X,Y,Z task has been completed. Otherwise... buzz off.

What's so wrong about proclaiming so.
There is no dearth of Tom, Dick and Harrys complaining infinite number of times how money is being wasted on something or the other.

 

[PurpleStone]

What's so wrong about proclaiming so.
There is no dearth of Tom, Dick and Harrys complaining infinite number of times how money is being wasted on something or the other.

The cost is low due to cheap labor and material in India.

How can they take credit for that?

 

[randomradio]

The cost is low due to cheap labor and material in India.

How can they take credit for that?

Materials cost pretty much the same everywhere, it's a commodity, like oil. The funds sanctioned for R&D did not consider pay and perks of the labour, they have a separate budget for that. So all of it went into actual development of a product, which is purely capital intensive.

Dude, I still consider you my Sialkoti neighbour.

 

[Windjammer]

JF17 is low cost budget fighter for low cost budget air forces

That says it all.

Meant for air forces that have the confidence to fly and display single engine fighter above the Capital....not for those who often play it safe on a trailer.

Even in decade From today you Pakistanis will still be swearing by the forty year old FFalcons

Yea one wonders why your so called $60 Billion budget agni pankh is still stuck with it's flying coffins not to mention Tejas, which will be close to 40 years when it's operational.

 

[PurpleStone]

Materials cost pretty much the same everywhere, it's a commodity, like oil. The funds sanctioned for R&D did not consider pay and perks of the labour, they have a separate budget for that. So all of it went into actual development of a product, which is purely capital intensive.

Dude, I still consider you my Sialkoti neighbour.

My dear friend from Peshawar, Material costs are not the same everywhere. If you build an entire subassembly from raw materials in India, it should cheaper than to build the same in EU or US. On the other hand if it a fully imported then it would be costlier in India due to markup and duties. Subassembly costs includes both material and labor. That is how accounting works.

 

[randomradio]

My dear friend from Peshawar, Material costs are not the same everywhere. If you build an entire subassembly from raw materials in India, it should cheaper than to build the same in EU or US. On the other hand if it a fully imported then it would be costlier in India due to markup and duties. Subassembly costs includes both material and labor. That is how accounting works.

The base costs are all pretty much similar. Chinese steel may be cheaper than Indian steel, but the difference is not a lot, only 10 or 15%. The actual volumes of materials that go into construction is actually not a lot for market differences to actually creep up.

Of course, most of the money did go into building the prototypes and LSPs, but we did do it on the cheap. Let's not forget that we still had to import 40% of the jet in value.

The fact is we used very less money to actually do what we did, ie, build an entire fighter jet ecospace from scratch using peanuts.

 

[My-Analogous]

Actually, quite a bit of the R&D was taking place abroad and it all stopped when the sanctions hit, and all of the said R&D was held back, which is why we had to start all over again.

The same will not happen with AMCA as now we have the requisite facilities in which we can R&D fighter planes, the same facilities for which we had to go to america and the like.
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Its is a lame excuse and India was having Russian alternative but Pakistan don't. Even then we produce results and Russian aeronautics were far superior to Chinese on that time. Don't give lame excuses

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

JF17 is already present. Tejas future depends on the kickback on the next LCA tender.

 

[Pseudonym]

We are working on both 5th and 6th gen designs. We are even working on 7th gen designs, stuff that can fly into space. The foundation technologies for the 7th gen design is being worked on today through ISRO.

7th gen stuff that can fly into space and attack martians?

Aren't you the same guy who claimed that the Rafales india is getting is superior to F-22 and F-35?


oh wait.. here you are:

Rafale is not 4th gen. It only looks like a 4th gen, the version we are going for through the tender will be more advanced and capable than the F-22 and F-35.

 

[Malik Usman]

He actually means JF 17 is present and Teja Bahi is past. Ready to display in museum.

 

[Ultima Thule]

We are already producing 4th gen stuff, we are already choosing manufacturers for 5th and 6th gen stuff and conducting foundation research for 7th gen stuff. It's all happening as we speak.

first you do complete your 5th gen AMCA than think about 6 gen jets @randomradio and there is no 7 gen jets project on horizon currently neither in USA or China/Russia they are working 6th gen jets, and its not a 7 gen jet but a boost glide vehicle to do the job of spying/satellite launcher, USA/Soviet was working on a similar concepts through out cold war like X-20, MIG-105

@randomradio

 

[Path-Finder]

7th gen stuff that can fly into space and attack martians?

Aren't you the same guy who claimed that the Rafales india is getting is superior to F-22 and F-35?


oh wait.. here you are:

 

[randomradio]

first you do complete your 5th gen AMCA than think about 6 gen jets @randomradio and there is no 7 gen jets project on horizon currently neither in USA or China/Russia they are working 6th gen jets, and its not a 7 gen jet but a boost glide vehicle to do the job of spying/satellite launcher, USA/Soviet was working on a similar concepts through out cold war like X-20, MIG-105
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@randomradio

Everybody important is working on 7th gen.

This is India's.

US:

Russia:
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-lethal-seventh-generation-fighter-jets-15379
Even before its first fifth-generation stealth fighter completes development, Russia has embarked on developing sixth and even seventh-generation follow-ons to the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA.

China:
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/22...et_Based_on_J_20_Stealth_Fighter#.WqkkoajwaUk
China is preparing to commence research on a sixth-generation fighter aircraft
(Chinese 6th gen = Western 7th gen)

India has two such projects:
One is ISRO's and the other is DRDO's. DRDO's project is called AVATAR.

Official ISRO website referring to the project.
https://www.isro.gov.in/sites/default/files/usq251.pdf
Feasibility study of project"AVATAR)" has been done by a group of scientists in DRDO. ISRO has no connection with the project.

All the above are 7th gen jets.

7th gen stuff that can fly into space and attack martians?

Aren't you the same guy who claimed that the Rafales india is getting is superior to F-22 and F-35?


oh wait.. here you are:

Unified sensor suite vs distributed sensor suite. Anybody with brains will agree with me.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Everybody important is working on 7th gen.

This is India's.

US:

Russia:
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-lethal-seventh-generation-fighter-jets-15379
Even before its first fifth-generation stealth fighter completes development, Russia has embarked on developing sixth and even seventh-generation follow-ons to the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA.

China:
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/22...et_Based_on_J_20_Stealth_Fighter#.WqkkoajwaUk
China is preparing to commence research on a sixth-generation fighter aircraft
(Chinese 6th gen = Western 7th gen)

India has two such projects:
One is ISRO's and the other is DRDO's. DRDO's project is called AVATAR.
fficial ISRO website referring to the project.
https://www.isro.gov.in/sites/default/files/usq251.pdf
Feasibility study of project"AVATAR)" has been done by a group of scientists in DRDO. ISRO has no connection with the project.

All the above are 7th gen jets.



Unified sensor suite vs distributed sensor suite.

Unified sensor suite vs distributed sensor suite. Anybody with brains will agree with me.

Fcuk you won't understand these are not called 7th gen and do research before talk here, these systems are not for fighting but launching satt on space/spying don't fight war with other of similar kind these are all boost glide vehicle
do you have brain you damn fool @randomradio 7th gen mean rapid turnaround take fuel/armed with weapons, again in the sky or space with in a 10 mintue or so, these boost glide planes has/will no rapid turnaround it takes months to boost them again @randomradio the future of space plane either scramjet for pre-orbit fight or precoold jet engine for higher orbit @randomradio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramjet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precooled_jet_engine

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Its is a lame excuse and India was having Russian alternative but Pakistan don't. Even then we produce results and Russian aeronautics were far superior to Chinese on that time. Don't give lame excuses

What excuses?
This is not like playing truant in your school, these are multi billion dollar projects even a small hiccup can cause delays for years.

Russians are known to be extremely difficult to work with in big projects, look at FGFA.

Back then India didn't have a great relationship with USA like pakistan did and even then we chose to take that risk and work with the Americans instead of Russia with whom our relations were at the peak, that should tell you how difficult it is to work with the Russians.
And you expect our scientists to have started the process all over again with the Russians?

Also, you didn't produce results, China produced results.