JF-17B Updates, News & Discussion

[Windjammer]

Twitter speculation. Even if they do, it's simply not making the most of an already limited small airframe with hardpoint and fuel constraints.

As some one pointed out that such platforms have an escort and Bravo has IFR capability.

 

[The Raven]

As some one pointed out that such platforms have an escort and Bravo has IFR capability.

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It will still need 3 external tanks, given the internal space taken up by second seat, leaving effectively only 2 hardpoints for EW pods, and no other hard point for weapons, aside from the wingtip rails for Fox-2s only.

 

[Raider 21]

I do not like to derail the thread from its topic but I can’t help but notice the dichotomy between the above two statements.

We do have significant Q Anon believers in the populace so you can not expect an “American answer “ to be always curious and accepting/agreeable to a new set of facts presented. If just interacting with few USC students can lead to generalization about all Pakistani engineers (or CAE grads) and their mindset, the same can also be applied elsewhere. Anyhow everyone has their own mental picture based on their lived experiences and I am not aiming to change that. There are curious minds everywhere as no one has a monopoly on curiosity.

We unfortunately stifle curiosity at school level, do not teach maths as the foundational language of STEM and thus our best and brightest minds have a handicap at the world stage.

Still in my experience they have met those challenges head on and overcome that handicap and still excelled. There are many CAE grads/ex-faculty who are currently faculty in US Universities and there was one who I think became the head of the aerospace department at a decent university here.

I know one, he worked with NASA in his later years after leaving PAF. And he was part of the pioneering team for the JF-17. Right now heads the aerospace dept at a university in Alabama.

I am sorry man but I have studied with the so called engineers. I did my undergrad at SMME and had the chance to take a post-graduate course with these guys from kamra and boy did they suck... I also talked to a couple of engineers at the kamra facility during one of our field trips. Did not impress me one bit as far as their knowledge about aerodynamics/aeronautics was concerned.

Education and qualification should not be confused as the same. Seen a few exceptional ones from PAF as Aero engineers, whereas the rest were below average due to the system that changed their entire mindset due to their assignments in the air force. Aircraft maintenance is not the same as aerospace engineering. It is very unfortunate, but I've heard lately they have been looking into it after getting a few slams of shame in conferences and courses.

As some one pointed out that such platforms have an escort and Bravo has IFR capability.

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A fantastic feature, very much needed.

 

[Windjammer]

It will still need 3 external tanks, given the internal space taken up by second seat, leaving effectively only 2 hardpoints for EW pods, and no other hard point for weapons, aside from the wingtip rails for Fox-2s only.

I highly doubt that PAC rolled out over a dozen Bravos just because PAF suddenly needed requirements of a trainer. So far all the Bravo images released show it either in clean configuration or with two drop tanks.

 

[The Raven]

I highly doubt that PAC rolled out over a dozen Bravos just because PAF suddenly needed requirements of a trainer. So far all the Bravo images released show it either in clean configuration or with two drop tanks.

Maybe, but in its current form, its quite limited for anything other than a trainer. You can't just slap on a few ECM pods and claim its a 'Wild Weasel' variant. A cursory look at at the F-18G or even the J-16D demonstrates the capability needed for an effective special mission aircraft. It doesn't even have an AESA.

 

[khanasifm]

Maybe, but in its current form, its quite limited for anything other than a trainer. You can't just slap on a few ECM pods and claim its a 'Wild Weasel' variant. A cursory look at at the F-18G or even the J-16D demonstrates the capability needed for an effective special mission aircraft. It doesn't even have an AESA.

it’s already addressed in Kassel tufail article in second to none utility of dual seaters more than training

 

[Incog_nito]

It should be.
Block 4 should merge with J10. A combined block of J10 and j17

Lolz. No need to merge. Rather an upgraded version with modern avionics and sub-systems.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Per PAF's own magazine, the Bravo's primary role will be training and fighter conversion for the time being. They are only producing a token number or them, enough for 1 B model for each operational unit and the rest for the FCU.
Apparently all JF-17 pilots have been first going to F-7, Mirages or F-16 units before converting to the Thunder. With the B variant now in service, younger pilots will start to convert on the JF-17 right after the academy if selected for Thunder squadrons.
Over time, PAF might order more, once it looks to expand the dual-seater into more specialized roles but it is not happening yet or soon. Maybe once the block 3 production run is over perhaps. But the platform is not suited for a dedicated escort jammer/ew due to its size and range. It can carry self protection pods on the centerline while still carrying 4 AAMs and 2 tanks in the air defense role.

 

[Windjammer]

The image (above), Serial No. 19-609 belongs to Squadron No. 18 (Sharp Shooters).

Anyone got a full image of it?

 

[Trailer23]

@Windjammer

Thank you - You Da Man!

 

[khanasifm]

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When is the official ceremony for conversion from f-7 to jf last one was number 28 back in 2018

typically 2 dual seater sqn and ocu usually get 4 dual seater but if a dedicated sqn for new role then may be a full flight of dual seater may be or full sqn
28 minus 14 , 2 per sqn and remind 14 goes to another sqn with dedicated role as advise by ac kasir tufail on 2nd to none

 

[Windjammer]

@Windjammer

Thank you - You Da Man!

Here's another one of the same.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Here's another one of the same.

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Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful!

No, @Stealth ?

 

[Oracle]

kia aapnay isko pulao aur zarda samjh rakha hai

Funny though , made me laugh

Lolz. No need to merge. Rather an upgraded version with modern avionics and sub-systems.

same logics were given by indians when they upgraded Mig21 by saying they upgraded it with latest avionics and missiles. and started comparing it with JF17.

also j10 comes in medium weight fighter with better engine and airframe. it will be benificial for pakistan.

just my thoughts. i am layman in terms of jet aircrafts , never flew one

 

[aziqbal]

Check this beauty by Zohaib Malik

JF17B in a steep climb