JF-17 You Beauty !!!!

[CriticalThought]

KISS: Keep it simple and stupid...

KISS: Keep it simple, stupid.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Sitting very close to this area right now in PAC.
Just flew two missions on our simulator at APF.
Beauty or not it's our own thing.We own it and that's the beauty.

The difference is like the nests built by magpies and sparrows!!! Sparrows build their nests inside palaces but magpies work hard to build their own beautiful and functional nests in the open air!!!!

 

[ziaulislam]

To summarize a lot of details, when done right, the cropped Delta wings of Thunder and Viper make for a highly maneuverable fighter at both high and low configurations, and very good consistent turn rate. Large Delta wings make for excellent instantaneous turn rate and provide good performance in thin atmosphere at high altitudes. The also have excellent climb rate. But their large surface area causes drag at low altitude causing altitude to drop during the turn. Cannards are a way of overcoming these problems. Think of them as equivalent to the horizontal stabilizer tails on the empennage, except they provide lift at the front, thus providing lift rather than stability. They can mess with the airflow of the main wings hence they need to be designed very carefully. In the end you live with a compromise and a complicated design. The Viper is a shining example of simple is powerful.

thanks
still doesn't answer my question though, i always thought delta with canard design is the future(hence gripen, rafale, eurofighter /90s designs), but again its PAF choice

 

[CriticalThought]

thanks
still doesn't answer my question though, i always thought delta with canard design is the future(hence gripen, rafale, eurofighter /90s designs), but again its PAF choice

It's design fanaticism. How come F-22 and F-35 don't have canards? Neither does SU-35. Europeans are simply fond of their complicated design. Let's see what the new 5th gen plane looks like.

 

[Storm Force]

Thunder. Has. Been a huge success for you Pakistanis imo.

For a nation with such huge financial constraints this will allow you to modernize
very large fleet of of obsolete fighters .

India with five times the budget has completely failed in this regard.

IE to replace uts vintage mig fleet with a home grown or license built fighter.

Well done on thunder

All you need now is few small nod of J31 in ten years time backing up two hundred plus thunders of three blocks and maintain small fleet of falcons

 

[BABA AGHORI]

What are those rectangular objects on the aft section???

@Windjammer @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Oscar @messiach

Air breaks.. to slow down...

 

[Trango Towers]

It's design fanaticism. How come F-22 and F-35 don't have canards? Neither does SU-35. Europeans are simply fond of their complicated design. Let's see what the new 5th gen plane looks like.

when you have thrust vectoring it does the job that the canards are designed to do i.e assist in agressive manoeuvres.

 

[Zhukov]

Thunder. Has. Been a huge success for you Pakistanis imo.

For a nation with such huge financial constraints this will allow you to modernize
very large fleet of of obsolete fighters .

India with five times the budget has completely failed in this regard.

IE to replace uts vintage mig fleet with a home grown or license built fighter.

Well done on thunder

All you need now is few small nod of J31 in ten years time backing up two hundred plus thunders of three blocks and maintain small fleet of falcons

I would prefer an improvised solution with help of Both China and Turkey instead of J31.
JF17s have already replaced fleet of all A5 aircrafts with block one. And block 2 will replace early F7 Models. But Replacing Mirage Rose is the big Question mark.

 

[Windjammer]

What are those rectangular objects on the aft section???

@Windjammer @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Oscar @messiach

They are called Air-brakes, every aircraft has them in a different location....some like the Typhoon or F-15 Eagle have one massive on the spine.

 

[Sinnerman108]

thanks
still doesn't answer my question though, i always thought delta with canard design is the future(hence gripen, rafale, eurofighter /90s designs), but again its PAF choice

This is how engineering works !

Each type of wing profiles has certain advantages in some parameters
and disadvantages in other parameters.

The delta wing is very good at super sonic speeds, but at low speeds it is not very efficient.
As for wing area; yes a larger wing area creates more lift, but it also creates more drag.
You cannot have one, without having the other.

 

[The Diplomat]

I think those might be air brakes.


100+? I thought PAF had 50 of Block I...50 of Block II all of which are not yet delivered and then Block III would start.

Upon research this is what I have found out; PAF has 50 Block I's which are in the process of being upgraded to Block II's. PAF is also inducting a total of 50 Block II's which will later be upgraded to Block III specs. PAF plans to have about 250 JF-17's total.
To date we have lost 2 JF-17's in crashes.

 

[CriticalThought]

when you have thrust vectoring it does the job that the canards are designed to do i.e assist in agressive manoeuvres.

Two different things.

Thrust vectoring diverts some of the exhaust in a different direction. The result is a loss of thrust, leading to a loss of lift. All those cool videos you see of Fulcrums prancing about in the air - they are falling like a rock as well.

Canards provide additional aerodynamic lift, but they also contribute to drag. They are specifically meant to remove the limitations in full delta wings, but they only achieve a compromise.

 

[messiach]

Too many alerts.
These r like spoilers on civilian jets except these brakes are installed on non-lifting surfaces, increases effective linear drag, does'nt affect lift except at critically low speeds.

What are those rectangular objects on the aft section???

@Windjammer @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Oscar @messiach

 

[CriticalThought]

Too many alerts.
These r like spoilers on civilian jets except these brakes are installed on non-lifting surfaces, increases effective linear drag, does'nt affect lift except at critically low speeds.

Apologies for taking your time madam. I always wait for your extremely informative posts. My only wish is that you should write short articles to share your experience and knowledge with us.

 

[STRANGER BIRD]

JF-17 Thunder while inverted flying over #Islamabad for Independence day celebration rehearsals.