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Nigeria got it directly from us and they seem to be satisfied.Myanmar is not satisfied with the product it has received for instance.
Hi,I wanted to see the Block3 fly. It would've been interesting how its FBW behaves as opposed to the older Jeffs.
This is why the JF-17 needs the WS-19 engine once it’s available, a 42-44% increase in thrust will let the plane perform to the full possibility of its flight envelope. The JF-17 won’t be underpowered then. It will have nearly the same amount of thrust as the PAF’s F-16s!
The JF-17 with its current engine is akin for the F-16/79 (both planes have similar empty weight and similar thrust), but with the WS-19 it will make the JF-17 equal on many levels with a standard F-16.
As of this year, it is accepted that the WS-19 engine is ready but it will be time until it goes into mass production. After meeting the demand for the J-35 project, sparing a few engines to develop a JF-17 model with this engine will take some time. So perhaps we will see a JF-17D by the end of the decade. If the plane needs to be redesigned to fit the engine, perhaps the plane will get more enhancements to maximize the use of the new engine; especially in EW but also in being able to do heavier strike role as well as ability to supercruise in the way the Gripen can supercruise with its F414 engine.
China Seeks Superalloys, Supply Chain Boost For Military Engines | Aviation Week Network
China's WS-10 and WS-15 turbofan engines are now in serial production following the finalization of material verifications.aviationweek.com
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Any indication how the JF-17 compares to the following specs from the F-16/79?:
I do not find Tejas impressive either. It is surprising to see a country that have a capable space program to settle for a lemon like Tejas. Indians are a strange bunch. Surprisingly good in some areas and lacking in vision in other areas.
From what I understand the WS-13 wasn’t much of a performance improvement over the RD-93, and even had a shorter engine life; time between overhauls, etc.China offered WS-13 for JF-17 but Pakistan chose RD-93.
China is building WS-19 for J-35.
Pakistan have invested heavily in the JF-17 program and introduced new variants from time to time. These jets are more likely to be used in defensive capacity in our case (less stress). This works for us because WE have larger medium-weight class jets to use in demanding situations.
Some countries want to use jet fighters heavily in a conflict situation (more stress) so not sure if JF-17 can work as a mainstay for some countries. Myanmar is not satisfied with the product it has received for instance.
I do not find Tejas impressive either. It is surprising to see a country that have a capable space program to settle for a lemon like Tejas. Indians are a strange bunch. Surprisingly good in some areas and lacking in vision in other areas.
Pakistan should seek a better engine in my view. Russian engines have low MBTF rating and greater serviceability requirements due to this factor. When possible, of-course.PAF has invested heavily in rd 93 n is very satisfied with the end product..... plus the cost to benefit ratio for switching to ws 13 at the moment is not much...so for the moment PAF does not feel the urge to switch
Thats bs is spread by indian sources n nothing wrong with the fc1 that Myanmar recieved .
Plus the Myanmar variant is the Chinese fc 1 n not Pakistani jf 17....they deal directly with catic n not Pakistan.
The Nigerian variant is the jf 17 n
Have not heard of any problems since induction.
Future JF-17 sales maybe limited by the Russian engine potentially being cut off or at the very least having serviceability problems now that Russia is having logistics problems, due to the war.Pakistan should seek a better engine in my view. Russian engines have low MBTF rating and greater serviceability requirements due to this factor. When possible, of-course.
Myanmar disclosed the problem, Indians milked the news (not surprised). Pakistan dispatched its engineers to inspect Myanmar jets to sort out their problems. One can hope that valuable lessons were learned from this experience.
No complaint from Nigeria (true), but Nigeria has ordered European jets:
NAF orders 24 Italian aircraft to replace ageing fighter jets
The Nigerian Air Force has struck a deal with an Italian defence company for the supply of 24 M-346 master aircraft.punchng.com
Sofema to modernize Nigeria’s venerable Alpha jets
Sofema, a renowned French company that specializes in the reconditioning of military equipment, is currently undertaking a comprehensive study towww.military.africa
Nigeria rejected Tejas also.
Both Pakistan and India are into making tall claims for domestic consumption, buddy. There is absolute lack of transparency and culture for asking tough questions. Because if you (generally speaking) ask them, you risk being taken to an unknown place for software update . A number of Asian societies are less open to discussing sensitive issues. Russia and North Korea take the cake though.
Irrawaddy is an anti regime publication. Not a reliable source.Myanmar disclosed the problem, Indians milked the news (not surprised). Pakistan dispatched its engineers to inspect Myanmar jets to sort out their problems. One can hope that valuable lessons were learned from this experience.
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AgaIN Presently the Chinese engine in comparison to the russian engine...does not give that big a bang for the buck to make the switchPakistan should seek a better engine in my view. Russian engines have low MBTF rating and greater serviceability requirements due to this factor. When possible, of-course.
Again they deal with catic directly n hence if any prob with the ac...will be addressed by catic n not PAF....so the news is not trueMyanmar disclosed the problem, Indians milked the news (not surprised). Pakistan dispatched its engineers to inspect Myanmar jets to sort out their problems. One can hope that valuable lessons were learned from this experience.
If PAF had the choice they would order western jets as well....no big deal their.No complaint from Nigeria (true), but Nigeria has ordered European jets:
Pakistan unlike India only brings any thing to light once the product has matured n all parameters have been met .....while on the other side of the border ndia which is in the habit of exhibiting products where the eggs are yet to hatch.NAF orders 24 Italian aircraft to replace ageing fighter jets
The Nigerian Air Force has struck a deal with an Italian defence company for the supply of 24 M-346 master aircraft.punchng.com
Sofema to modernize Nigeria’s venerable Alpha jets
Sofema, a renowned French company that specializes in the reconditioning of military equipment, is currently undertaking a comprehensive study towww.military.africa
Nigeria rejected Tejas also.
Both Pakistan and India are into making tall claims for domestic consumption, buddy. There is absolute lack of transparency and culture for asking tough questions. Because if you (generally speaking) ask them, you risk being taken to an unknown place for software update . A number of Asian societies are less open to discussing sensitive issues. Russia and North Korea take the cake though.
JF program was indeed a well planned and managed program. The approach adopted by PAF to go for incremental updates in a situation when no other option was available, worked very well.
IAF, on the other hand couldn’t have the same approach because, HAL isn’t under them and once a product is accepted by the IAF, HAL had proven to be an unreliable supplier. Hence, IAF insisted on a fully developed product. It caused all the delays, which we all know about.
Tejas being inducted now is fully completed and meets the IAF requirements. It is matched with JF block 3 in almost all criteria available in public domain. Both jets have one odd feature better than the other.
If someone wants to get in trolling, then there is no end to arguing and calling names, but, it is a well put together machine and should hold its own against a similar class aircraft.
It’s modular architecture and many Indian homegrown technologies would allow it to be brought up to latest standards as time passes.
It is a case of delayed work but a work done well in the end.
Pakistan has nothing to fear from any indigenous design effort by India.
Nobody gives complete TOT. No one gives complete know how of all whys and hows.they could have settled for a complete TOT of the mirage 2000 series which would have been better thing