JF-17 Thunder Test Flown By Several Nations!

[Mani2020]

Guys, don't argue with the Indians. Its useless.

Let the day come when the first order is placed, that would be the day all the Indians would get shut up.

Indians said we have no CFTs with F-16s and then we saw the CFTs on PAF F-16s.

Indians said JF-17 is not BVR capable and just recently we saw FC-1/JF-17s flying with PL-12s, even though they were BVR capable much before that, similarly CFTs were there much before we saw it.

Indians said we don't have the A-100s, and then we saw them recently in PA service.

So, let them say whatever they want, this is their way to satisfy their ego.

Don't waste your energies on them.

Believe me taimi still they will never
Why dont you make those pack their bags who are still persisting with childish arguments and creating a mess here,Make one an example and rest will shut-up after witnessing the consequences

 

[My-Analogous]

Why are we always explain each and every things to everybody. Just ignore them, if they say its 100% chinese so what ! we already have machine so enjoy. let them say what ever they want.

 

[emoriphious]

It's not like they divide up the revenue 50/50.

If China manufactures the plane, then whatever net profits that remain after the chinese take their profits is divided up 50/50.

So if the JF17 is sold for 25M, and the cost is 24M including profit margin for the Chinese, then the remaining 1 million is shared by both Pakistan and China.

The same is true also if Pakistan is the manufacturer.

The Engine, the Avionics, the Radar, the weapons has nothing to do with Pakistan by the way.

Pakistans 50%share is for the airframe of the JF-17. This is why Pakistan was trying to find Western engines, radars, avionics, and weapons for the JF17. Because all of these sub-systems is not included in the partnership.

It's just the airframe only.

But whatever profit is left over from the AIR FRAME, Pakistan gets it's 50% share.

 

[mirage 5000]

the problem is inside there hearts which are dark black for pakistan .

 

[razgriz19]

Jf-17 is cost effective and can still put up BVR fight the Chinese will make a nice shiny nickel off the Jf-17 though they have not inducted it themselves weird......

ok here is a deal fan boy, PAF needed a LIGHT fighter to replace its old fleet, china had the same requirments during 1990s, but were later changed to a bigger and heavier aircraft. Resulting in J-10!

 

[razgriz19]

surely we will wait for it , infect most of the members here on PDF waiting for it since long , any article from China Daily , i think that will put this debate to rest forever..

u want a china daily link then here u go!

Chinese Ambassador to Pakistan Luo Zhaohui addresses the rollout ceremony of a JF-17 Thunder fighter plane, first of its kind made in Pakistan, at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, some 60 kilometers northwest of the Pakistani capital Islamabad, November 23, 2009. The JF-17, unveiled on Monday, is a kind of advanced multi-role fighter jointly invested and developed by China and Pakistan. [Xinhua]


JF-17 Thunder fighter unveiled in Pakistan

 

[luckyyy]

It's not like they divide up the revenue 50/50.

If China manufactures the plane, then whatever net profits that remain after the chinese take their profits is divided up 50/50.

So if the JF17 is sold for 25M, and the cost is 24M including profit margin for the Chinese, then the remaining 1 million is shared by both Pakistan and China.

The same is true also if Pakistan is the manufacturer.

The Engine, the Avionics, the Radar, the weapons has nothing to do with Pakistan by the way.

Pakistans 50%share is for the airframe of the JF-17. This is why Pakistan was trying to find Western engines, radars, avionics, and weapons for the JF17. Because all of these sub-systems is not included in the partnership.

It's just the airframe only.

But whatever profit is left over from the AIR FRAME, Pakistan gets it's 50% share.

thanks for the post , this is excelty the point i was reffering to....

 

[Arsalan]

dont no how to we end up with indina members trolling on every thread that indicates something good for Pakistan and its armed forces.

lets not argue with them, for indian members, alright, you are correct.

JF is a 100% imported plane and we do not hqave any share in it. infact it is chinese pilots who fly these for us as our pilots are not capable of doing so. its the IAF that is the best and its the Su-30 which is F-22 killer and with with IAF pilots on board, it can go and bomb Jupiter (ofcource if it is not oly for you guys)!

you keep living in your rdreams and time will tell!!!

 

[Silk]

And LCA is more then f22.

 

[Silk]

It's not like they divide up the revenue 50/50.

If China manufactures the plane, then whatever net profits that remain after the chinese take their profits is divided up 50/50.

So if the JF17 is sold for 25M, and the cost is 24M including profit margin for the Chinese, then the remaining 1 million is shared by both Pakistan and China.

The same is true also if Pakistan is the manufacturer.

The Engine, the Avionics, the Radar, the weapons has nothing to do with Pakistan by the way.

Pakistans 50%share is for the airframe of the JF-17. This is why Pakistan was trying to find Western engines, radars, avionics, and weapons for the JF17. Because all of these sub-systems is not included in the partnership.

It's just the airframe only.

But whatever profit is left over from the AIR FRAME, Pakistan gets it's 50% share.

50% of the profit is split between the partners. It does not say anything else. So if we take Indian chopper Druv, which is a failed project, the producers of engine, avionics and all other stuff get the profit from India... India only gets the airframe part... Wait, even that is a copy from Eurocopter so it does not get anything. And LCA team has to pay its profit to General Electric for the engine and Israel for the avionics/radar. Sure. You can make anything you want but you did smoke a lot, didn't you?

 

[JonAsad]

Joint Production- Joint Venture- Joint Investment- in sab terms ki definition ka balatkar kerdia indians nay-

 

[SQ8]

Joint Production- Joint Venture- Joint Investment- in sab terms ki definition ka balatkar kerdia indians nay-

Born in uganda and raised in pondicherry..
what do you expect

Btw.. I see Wj's been here.
Ive been hearing rumors about the JF-17's absence at the Paris airshow and the interest it managed to generate regardless of that.
Any scoops on that?

 

[SBD-3]

sorry it is not, no where has it been stated that Pakistan has a 50% share in the JF-17 or it gets any part of the profits. A JV does not automatically mean a 50-50 deal unlike what many fanboys here say.

Pakistan contributed 50% of development cost even UAE gets the royalties for Block 60 technologies implemented on other planes by US since UAE funded the Block 60 development...its plain common sense, i wonder

 

[SBD-3]

It's not like they divide up the revenue 50/50.

If China manufactures the plane, then whatever net profits that remain after the chinese take their profits is divided up 50/50.

So if the JF17 is sold for 25M, and the cost is 24M including profit margin for the Chinese, then the remaining 1 million is shared by both Pakistan and China.

The same is true also if Pakistan is the manufacturer.

The Engine, the Avionics, the Radar, the weapons has nothing to do with Pakistan by the way.

Pakistans 50%share is for the airframe of the JF-17. This is why Pakistan was trying to find Western engines, radars, avionics, and weapons for the JF17. Because all of these sub-systems is not included in the partnership.

It's just the airframe only.

But whatever profit is left over from the AIR FRAME, Pakistan gets it's 50% share.

There is a distinction between profit and cost inclusive of profit. What you are referring to, is what is called economic profit i.e. Extraordinary profit after accounting for Costs and normal profit margin. The profit margin remains buffer over cost. so if the revenues are 100 Mln and costs are 80 Mln. The profit remains 20 Mln. The agreement is for sharing profits, not Economic or excess profits. So dont try to confuse what you can't comprehend

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

assalam alaikum

bhai iss dill ka kiya karain jo her pakistani acheivement per jul ker kala ho jata hay ( eventhough it is already black )

Dont waist ur time replying to them just enjoy their julna and bhoon na

ALLAH APNA KARAM KARAIN PAKISTAN PER AMEEN

TARIQ