JF-17 Thunder performing during Dubai Air Show 2017

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Fantastic flying very controlled, nice agressive turns and changes
In all honest flawless .....10/10

Few mistakes by the announces , they stated only 50 of the units manufactured when we know the true figures are almost 100 JF17 Thunders plus export order

Did not discuss Technical Radar / or weapon's package detail , more concerned with thrust power and turn.

No mention of BVR capabilities or recent enhancements with hardpoints and Block 1, Block 2 , Block 3 goals for plane, No mention of Air to Air refueling

Fairly uninformed commentators , these folks are strongly adviced to join PDF for further enhancement to their understanding

Seems like PAF need to ensure their Marketing person hands out brochures to such event's organizers so they can speak on key areas for the Thunder program instead of random comments

Or, they didn't want to!!! All the cats are coming out of their hats!!!!!!

 

[blain2]

can anyone explain to me why JF-17 does not perform a loop maneuver in any of the airshows? Is there a safety issue? is there a limitation on the thrust that will cause a stall? or is it just not important enough to do a manuevre like this. I know our F16s do a loop as a standard routine since the early 80s and has never had any issues. I saw the tejas also performing the loop in Bahrain last year. No flaming...just need to understand the reason why

I do not think there is any specific reason for not doing it (I am assuming you are referring to a vertical loop here). Its a routine flight demonstration that they fly and each maneuver requires the next one to be lined up seamlessly for the demonstration. They may feel that bringing in a loop may not showcase the flight control capabilities as well as the other maneuvers they execute in their program. In the past, our F-86s and F-6s (with the earlier Sherdils), with lower thrust to weight ratio used to do vertical loops back in the late 60s and early 70s demonstrations (when there air shows were a very common occurrence in Pakistan). If you look up some of the videos of the recent flight shows over in Clifton, Karachi, you may see the JF-17 carrying out a loop.

 

[VCheng]

can anyone explain to me why JF-17 does not perform a loop maneuver in any of the airshows? Is there a safety issue? is there a limitation on the thrust that will cause a stall? or is it just not important enough to do a manuevre like this. I know our F16s do a loop as a standard routine since the early 80s and has never had any issues. I saw the tejas also performing the loop in Bahrain last year. No flaming...just need to understand the reason why

A loop is easy with enough speed built up. Powering into a vertical climb right after take off requires a better than unity T:W ratio, something that may or may not be lacking (and being kept under wraps) in the JF-17's present state of development.

 

[BHarwana]

The commentator said the 2 seat version is not available but I think isn't that JF-17 B has been released?

 

[litman]

I don't know where you see sluggish. Maybe you are confusing it with the LCA.

this is the beauty of people of subcontinent. they like to over estimate their stuff . indians claimed their unborn LCA with the latest blocks of the falcons and we are not ready to accept reality about the latest performance of thunder.

 

[PakEye]

It defeats the purpose when you take a plane all the way to Airshow , and then you do the whole prep up of plane , pick the best pilot and routine is planned.

But when the actual Video demo starts on Internet or TV station the commentary of the fighter Jet , the folks are just not really aware of what the plane is capable of doing

Apart from the one mention of Thrust of the engines , not much came out on technical capabilities of the plane. They talked about the Seat manufactured in UK. Yes Russians were involved in engine

• The commentary could have focused on Total Numbers in Production
• The focus could have been on Hours logged by plane in Real Anti Terror missions
• The focus could have gone to Recent addition of Twin Seat Variant
• They could have talked about Various planned blocks for the plane
• Could have talked about active Role at Peak of Himalayas and various climates
• Finally the big ticket items BVR missiles and Weapons load & radar
• Air to Air refuel functionality
• If you are showing a complex Engineered machinery like JF17 Thunder you really have to showcase it's potential

The two folks in charge of introducing the plane did not appear to know much about the plane. The appeared to know how the plane will turn or what maneuver it will perform next

a commentator from PAC was the need to described the integration of new technologies and modifications in latest Block-II of JFT.

 

[DarX]

Did the LCA Tejas attend the show. Haven't seen any coverage anywhere for it. Indians made a big thing of the JF-17 not attending one of the previous shows where the Tejas was present. I wonder what they have to say for this.

 

[Raider 21]

 

[Mrc]

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Wow su 35 f22 as expected.. I never realized that russian went for LERX instead of canard in 35...

T129 is a beast...

Rafael.. small and nimble...

F 16 rocks as usual...

And with this crowd... a proud performer jf 17.... it takes guts to perform with such crowd... bravo

It also shows the confidence manufacturers have in their machine....

 

[Bossman]

Did the LCA Tejas attend the show. Haven't seen any coverage anywhere for it. Indians made a big thing of the JF-17 not attending one of the previous shows where the Tejas was present. I wonder what they have to say for this.

Tejas has had only one international outing and even that to a minor air show which hardly anybody attends i.e. Bahrain.

this is the beauty of people of subcontinent. they like to over estimate their stuff . indians claimed their unborn LCA with the latest blocks of the falcons and we are not ready to accept reality about the latest performance of thunder.

I disagree, give credit where it is due. JF might have other limitations but it is a very nimble aircraft and don't put Pakistanis in the same bucket as Indians. I suspect you are one of those pretenders because despite the flags your Indianess is showing.

 

[DarX]

You know I love the JF-17, but the flying routine should be changed to ensure more speed is built in. Pulling up immediately after lift off means the plane rises a bit slowly. I hope no troll shows up here, but the LCA Tejas was kept level immediately after lift off, and when it gained some speed, then it pulled up vertically. This ensured a much higher velocity for the jet, which is more thrilling for the spectators.

Tejas has had only one international outing and even that to a minor air show which hardly anybody attends i.e. Bahrain.

Yeah but the ruckus the Indians had kicked up for that was amusing. It sounded as if the Tejas was better than the F-22! "Pakistan withdraws JF-17 in the face of Tejas".. Haha!

 

[Trango Towers]

Unfortunately, there's higher wing loading and no relaxed stability. That said, they might have induced relaxed stability with the JF-17B, which has three-axis FBW for control and apparently longer wingspan (i.e. reduced wing loading). This could (likely should) translate over to the Block-III.

Longer wingspan equals reduced wing loading and higher lift due to increased surface area. I don't understand what you mean by induced relaxed stability.

 

[Bossman]

You know I love the JF-17, but the flying routine should be changed to ensure more speed is built in. Pulling up immediately after lift off means the plane rises a bit slowly. I hope no troll shows up here, but the LCA Tejas was kept level immediately after lift off, and when it gained some speed, then it pulled up vertically. This ensured a much higher velocity for the jet, which is more thrilling for the spectators.

Air shows have very strict restrictions on speed, altitude and other maneuvers. The planes flys in a virtual box which makes its impossible to show the potential performance of the plane. Further as the camera is moving with the plane it seems slower on screen. If one is physically at the show, the perspective is very different

 

[The Accountant]

I dont know why but commentator seems to be bit negative about thunder ...

The moron compares LERX with canard !

10.45.... commentator says it's nearly a 4 gen plus as well?? The English commentator says also to do with avionics but very sturdy airframe and great verticle climb

 

[Joe Shearer]

I hope it isn't stable. Fighter are designed not to be stable. That's what makes them highly agile

Actually the other way around. Fighters are designed to be stable. It's fly-by-wire that makes them dynamically unstable. No fighter can be designed to be inherently unstable; they would find difficulty taking off and landing.