JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[MIRauf]

AGM-65D, not sure if PAF has AGM-65A/B, but those are mated to F-16s. What other AGM IR/TV guided does PAF have ?

Is it some Chinese variant of Russian Kh-29T ?

 

[ziaulislam]

251?
So this is a new batch of Block II, thought 250 would be the highest?

Block 2 no. 51(total 101)

 

[aziqbal]

so we have

50 x B1
62 x B2

112 units

 

[Dazzler]

AGM-65D, not sure if PAF has AGM-65A/B, but those are mated to F-16s. What other AGM IR/TV guided does PAF have ?

Is it some Chinese variant of Russian Kh-29T ?

Simulation of C-802AKG with TV/IR seeker, being guided in man in the loop mode. Footage credit to Deka Ironworks aka DCS world.

 

[denel]

so we have

50 x B1
62 x B2

112 units

correct me, are there not 16-18 more B2 being stood up?

 

[aziqbal]

correct me, are there not 16-18 more B2 being stood up?

12 built in 2018

 

[AsifIjaz]

Want u are suggesting is a completely new aircraft with dual engine.
It will be as different from JF 17 as F 16 is from F 15..

Yes.. That is exactly what i swas saying. The only point i was implying on was maximum commonality / similarity with a single engine thunder i. e. Same engine, same mb seat, same radar, almost same amunition, rwr, same cockpit environment etc etc. Hence u get a dual engine thunder with 40/50% similarity and thus decrease maintenance cost.

 

[syed_yusuf]

so we have

50 x B1
62 x B2

112 units

 

[denel]

12 built in 2018

were those 12 inducted yet? any more blk2 being slated?

 

[messiach]

@Windjammer has answered.

What would be a realistic time frame for a prototype rollout/completion?

 

[Raider 21]

A JF-17 sits in the hangar on maintenance day at Peshawar AB.

 

[Sine Nomine]

@AsifIjaz @MastanKhan
Here Mirage 4000 case can be studied.

The decision to launch work on the production of a twin-engine aircraft concurrently with the single-engine Mirage 2000 was taken by the authorities in September 1976. Since the Mirage 4000 is a technological upgrade of the Mirage 2000 (except the front part of the aircraft which is equipped with a fixed canard ancillary wing, dismountable and adjustable in flight) – the design and construction of the two new aircraft were carried out simultaneously.

French aeronautical manufacturers self-financed the development of the Mirage 4000 in particular Avions Marcel Dassault-Breguet Aviation which was responsible for the airframe and supervised the assembly phase. Jet engines were borrowed from the government under the June 21, 1978 agreement with the Minister of Defense : the Snecma M 53 engines were taken from the stock of the Mirage 2000 program.

Composite materials used in the Mirage 4000 enabled a considerable weight reduction and excellent resistance to fatigue. The Mirage 4000 was the world’s first aircraft to have a fin made from a carbon-coated composite containing petrol.
The two Snecma M 53 engines with 10-ton thrust ratings put the Mirage’s weight-to-thrust ratio above one. Its design performance, moreover, outclassed every other aircraft in its category.
It has a fuel tank capacity three times greater than that of the Mirage 2000 and can also be refueled in flight.

On March 9, 1979, one year after the delivery of the Mirage 2000, the one-seat Mirage 4000 powered with two Snecma M 53 engines flew for the first time at Istres with Jean-Marie Saget at the controls. Right from its sixth flight, the Mirage 4000 achieved Mach 2, an exceptional performance. It confirmed predictions by reaching 50,000 feet at Mach 2 in 3 min 50 secs.

The king of Saudi Arabia and the Shah of Iran were interested in the Mirage 4000 program even before its first flight. Although serious talks went on, no agreement on the sale was reached.
No order was placed for the five planned production models and commercialization abroad became very uncertain.
In December 1977, the French Air Force asked the Defense Ministry’s Aeronautical Construction Department to look into a tactical combat aircraft to replace the Jaguar. Dassault-Breguet thus began work to design the ACX/Rafale.​

 

[AsifIjaz]

@AsifIjaz @MastanKhan
Here Mirage 4000 case can be studied.

The decision to launch work on the production of a twin-engine aircraft concurrently with the single-engine Mirage 2000 was taken by the authorities in September 1976. Since the Mirage 4000 is a technological upgrade of the Mirage 2000 (except the front part of the aircraft which is equipped with a fixed canard ancillary wing, dismountable and adjustable in flight) – the design and construction of the two new aircraft were carried out simultaneously.

French aeronautical manufacturers self-financed the development of the Mirage 4000 in particular Avions Marcel Dassault-Breguet Aviation which was responsible for the airframe and supervised the assembly phase. Jet engines were borrowed from the government under the June 21, 1978 agreement with the Minister of Defense : the Snecma M 53 engines were taken from the stock of the Mirage 2000 program.

Composite materials used in the Mirage 4000 enabled a considerable weight reduction and excellent resistance to fatigue. The Mirage 4000 was the world’s first aircraft to have a fin made from a carbon-coated composite containing petrol.
The two Snecma M 53 engines with 10-ton thrust ratings put the Mirage’s weight-to-thrust ratio above one. Its design performance, moreover, outclassed every other aircraft in its category.
It has a fuel tank capacity three times greater than that of the Mirage 2000 and can also be refueled in flight.

On March 9, 1979, one year after the delivery of the Mirage 2000, the one-seat Mirage 4000 powered with two Snecma M 53 engines flew for the first time at Istres with Jean-Marie Saget at the controls. Right from its sixth flight, the Mirage 4000 achieved Mach 2, an exceptional performance. It confirmed predictions by reaching 50,000 feet at Mach 2 in 3 min 50 secs.

The king of Saudi Arabia and the Shah of Iran were interested in the Mirage 4000 program even before its first flight. Although serious talks went on, no agreement on the sale was reached.
No order was placed for the five planned production models and commercialization abroad became very uncertain.
In December 1977, the French Air Force asked the Defense Ministry’s Aeronautical Construction Department to look into a tactical combat aircraft to replace the Jaguar. Dassault-Breguet thus began work to design the ACX/Rafale.​

Many thanks. I am grateful for this as it also gives me to read on a project i was never aware of.
Secondly, so what i understand is tht this is doable but the cost would be prohibitive factor. I wonder what was the cist of mirage 4000 vs rafael. And french equipment is always a bit extra pricey and chinese are masters of producing low cost stuff.
But then again if mirage 4000 is any indication then jf17 twin version.. Aint gonna happen

 

[mingle]

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A JF-17 sits in the hangar on maintenance day at Peshawar AB.

Changing the engine oil 

 

[Sine Nomine]

Many thanks. I am grateful for this as it also gives me to read on a project i was never aware of.
Secondly, so what i understand is tht this is doable but the cost would be prohibitive factor. I wonder what was the cist of mirage 4000 vs rafael. And french equipment is always a bit extra pricey and chinese are masters of producing low cost stuff.
But then again if mirage 4000 is any indication then jf17 twin version.. Aint gonna happen

Time and cost comes down many folds when many things are drawn from an existing working system.Mig 27 is a known example.
In our case we need to enlarge that airfarme and make calculations for adjusting another engine.
RD93 is already flying in duel configuration onboard Mig-29 series,and that won't be problem.
Though this is better said then done but it is doable,if we desire so.