JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[Basel]

East Pendulum reported citing NRIET deputy director Wang Hongzhe that the KLJ-7A has a range of 170 km against aerial target with 3m² RCS (radar cross-section) or 200 km against aerial target with 5m² RCS. It can track 15 targets and engage four simultaneously. Though equipped with 1,000 TRMs, it is not known if the KLJ-7A’s TRMs are built from gallium arsenide (GaA) or gallium nitride (GaN).

JF-17s will detect MKIs at about 220-250 km range!

In a dense EW environment it will be less, may be between 100-150kms but still good enough.

Think about this ,
9:40 am , 4 su30 accompanying 5 jaguars take off 300 km from Lahore ( picked up by AWACS)
9:50 4 JF17 blk 3 fly off from peshawer armed with long range bvr
Now think about when the bvr would fly

Sargodha may deploy jets first instead of Peshawar base.

These numbers are not even close to what the "obsolete" APG-80 has achieved. And tracking 15 targets is not even close to being impressive.

If you want to be a contemporary, then 250Km for a 3m2 target and tracking 32 targets is the minimum.



Nope. It lacks countermeasures entirely. They are yet to introduce it on their radars alone.

The lack of countermeasures on both the F-22 and F-35 is now being seen as a major liability.

Against Indian air force they are more then enough, because IAF will not be deploying F-22 class fighter and even if they buy F-35, then it will be downgraded export version, not top class US version.

 

[randomradio]

Against Indian air force they are more then enough, because IAF will not be deploying F-22 class fighter and even if they buy F-35, then it will be downgraded export version, not top class US version.

If that's your argument, then it is even more imperative that the radar should be better when it comes to range and tracking since we will simply use more numbers and more powerful radars with longer ranges. The Irbis-E alone has a 400+Km detection range for a 3m2 target.

But another argument is, our new aircraft will have better stealth and capabilities than the F-22, but of course, you won't accept that, so it's pointless to bring it up.

Regardless, in both scenarios, you still need a better radar.

 

[Dazzler]

If that's your argument, then it is even more imperative that the radar should be better when it comes to range and tracking since we will simply use more numbers and more powerful radars with longer ranges. The Irbis-E alone has a 400+Km detection range for a 3m2 target.

But another argument is, our new aircraft will have better stealth and capabilities than the F-22, but of course, you won't accept that, so it's pointless to bring it up.

Regardless, in both scenarios, you still need a better radar.

You should know, the klj7A detected J-11 regularly much sooner than the latter during Shaheen 6 so detecting your MKI is not even an issue. Heck, it doesnt even need Erieye or KE to detect it thanks to a monstrous RCS of this thing. Equip it with weapon payload and it may well be detected at maximum range of the radar.

 

[Basel]

If that's your argument, then it is even more imperative that the radar should be better when it comes to range and tracking since we will simply use more numbers and more powerful radars with longer ranges. The Irbis-E alone has a 400+Km detection range for a 3m2 target.

But another argument is, our new aircraft will have better stealth and capabilities than the F-22, but of course, you won't accept that, so it's pointless to bring it up.

Regardless, in both scenarios, you still need a better radar.

India can not built better 5th gen bird then US period.

You should know, the klj7A detected J-11 regularly much sooner than the latter during Shaheen 6 so detecting your MKI is not even an issue. Heck, it doesnt even need Erieye or KE to detect it thanks to a monstrous RCS of this thing. Equip it with weapon payload and it may well be detected at maximum range of the radar.

Bro, don't underestimate your enemy, India is highly supported by west in terms of tech, and Israel is providing them very advance tech and equipment, so in real war scenario both MKI & JFT will not be detecting each other as many fanboys claim here, also it will be system / doctrine vs system / doctrine so its not old days air war now.

 

[BATMAN]

You should know, the klj7A detected J-11 regularly much sooner than the latter during Shaheen 6 so detecting your MKI is not even an issue. Heck, it doesnt even need Erieye or KE to detect it thanks to a monstrous RCS of this thing. Equip it with weapon payload and it may well be detected at maximum range of the radar.

That's what i always maintained... jF-17 will detect and take out Indian SU-27 without giving a clue of its presence... provided its one on one a/c vs. a/c. no AWACS involved and no ground radars involved.

 

[Dazzler]

That's what i always maintained... jF-17 will detect and take out Indian SU-27 without giving a clue of its presence... provided its one on one a/c vs. a/c. no AWACS involved and no ground radars involved.

You mean su-30 i believe.

 

[BATMAN]

You mean su-30 i believe.

OK.. physically they are the same.

 

[Dazzler]

OK.. physically they are the same.

not quite.

 

[LKJ86]

the klj7A detected J-11 regularly much sooner than the latter during Shaheen 6 so detecting your MKI is not even an issue

Has JF-17 already been equiped with KLJ-7A during Shaheen 6?

 

[Dazzler]

Has JF-17 already been equiped with KLJ-7A during Shaheen 6?

Typo, it was meant to be the V, or improved version of the mechanical scan radar.

 

[randomradio]

You should know, the klj7A detected J-11 regularly much sooner than the latter during Shaheen 6 so detecting your MKI is not even an issue. Heck, it doesnt even need Erieye or KE to detect it thanks to a monstrous RCS of this thing. Equip it with weapon payload and it may well be detected at maximum range of the radar.

I don't want to tell you guys how much lower the "treated" MKI's RCS is. Just so you know, the Su-35's frontal RCS is 1m2, which is public knowledge. Even the Mig-29K's RCS is 1m2.

Earlier, the biggest contributor to the Fulcrum and Flanker's RCS was the inlets. But now...

And this is not counting EW.

Right now, you can comfortably assume that the JF-17 B2 and Su-35BM have the same RCS without weapons.

India can not built better 5th gen bird then US period.

Depending on how it's defined, we are officially going to be skipping a generation through AMCA.

Anyway...

But there is a good chance the private industry's new 5th gen design could eat into the PAK FA and Rafale programs. And its performance and RCS comfortably beat the F-22. An early prototype achieved a figure of -37dBsm. Now, it's even lesser. And the payload and range are superior to the F-22. So, yeah, we have an alternate 5th gen program also.

 

[UserUnknown2025]

But there is a good chance the private industry's new 5th gen design could eat into the PAK FA and Rafale programs. And its performance and RCS comfortably beat the F-22. An early prototype achieved a figure of -37dBsm. Now, it's even lesser. And the payload and range are superior to the F-22. So, yeah, we have an alternate 5th gen program also.

How? How do you make a better plane if what you make is derived from inferior designs? I think you are a bit too confident.

 

[BATMAN]

I don't want to tell you guys how much lower the "treated" MKI's RCS is. Just so you know, the Su-35's frontal RCS is 1m2, which is public knowledge. Even the Mig-29K's RCS is 1m2.

Earlier, the biggest contributor to the Fulcrum and Flanker's RCS was the inlets. But now...

And this is not counting EW.

Right now, you can comfortably assume that the JF-17 B2 and Su-35BM have the same RCS without weapons.



Depending on how it's defined, we are officially going to be skipping a generation through AMCA.

Anyway...

But there is a good chance the private industry's new 5th gen design could eat into the PAK FA and Rafale programs. And its performance and RCS comfortably beat the F-22. An early prototype achieved a figure of -37dBsm. Now, it's even lesser. And the payload and range are superior to the F-22. So, yeah, we have an alternate 5th gen program also.

In your last attempt aka TEJA, every god dam country of the world has its inputs and technical support.
I'm sure US will help you this time with more than engine.

 

[randomradio]

How? How do you make a better plane if what you make is derived from inferior designs? I think you are a bit too confident.

What does that even mean?

Everything is derived from a previous design in order to reduce risk. Innovation at the system level makes it better.

What you lot do is reverse engineer, we don't as a matter of policy. So you got yourself confused there.

In your last attempt aka TEJA, every god dam country of the world has its inputs and technical support.
I'm sure US will help you this time with more than engine.

The US helps nobody.

 

[BATMAN]

The US helps nobody.

US helps only India and Obama helped Iran as an addition.