JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 6]

[Taygibay]

Any structural redesign would also require a more powerful power plant (Engine).

Not necessarily for the Thunder! As it contains very little composites, adding these could in fact help
reduce the weight and hike the power to weight ratio.
What's more, to fit a more powerful engine, you need more air intake too. So that if the modifications are
done at the same time, new intakes and composites would bring quite a power advantage to the aircraft.

Good day all, Tay.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir,

What we have is enough to defend Pakistan Airspace, though it could have been done using SAM's. Recently Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his visit to France last month had signed an agreement to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets in fly-away condition for over $6 billion. If PAF is able to get $ 6 billlion it can procure 108 aircraft JF-17's or F-16's or J-10's which can be a great force multiplier. Even with a 45 min loiter time it can give the other assists enough support but for that it would require to have a larger quantity.

Hi,

Supposedly the Rafale deal has yet to be signed---.

Secondly---we don't have assets to defend our skies----it is a lie being told by the paf over and over.

Have you read about the 73 ramzan war----the Israelis decimated the Egyptian air force. The Egyptian mig 21's had a loiter time of 30---40 minutes---facing them were Phantoms with 3 1/2 hours of loiter time----.

The migs would take off and then after a few minutes they would want to land and then the phanotms would pounce on them----.

When the pilot at take off time is worried about landing to refuel---it cannot give any support but to save his arse when on the other side the enemy has aircraft with 2---3 --- 4 hours of loiter time----.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Hi,

Supposedly the Rafale deal has yet to be signed---.

Secondly---we don't have assets to defend our skies----it is a lie being told by the paf over and over.

Have you read about the 73 ramzan war----the Israelis decimated the Egyptian air force. The Egyptian mig 21's had a loiter time of 30---40 minutes---facing them were Phantoms with 3 1/2 hours of loiter time----.

The migs would take off and then after a few minutes they would want to land and then the phanotms would pounce on them----.

When the pilot at take off time is worried about landing to refuel---it cannot give any support but to save his arse when on the other side the enemy has aircraft with 2---3 --- 4 hours of loiter time----.

Sir,
What you are saying is true.
How much is the Loiter time for J-10's?

 

[Mrc]

Hi,

Supposedly the Rafale deal has yet to be signed---.

Secondly---we don't have assets to defend our skies----it is a lie being told by the paf over and over.

Have you read about the 73 ramzan war----the Israelis decimated the Egyptian air force. The Egyptian mig 21's had a loiter time of 30---40 minutes---facing them were Phantoms with 3 1/2 hours of loiter time----.

The migs would take off and then after a few minutes they would want to land and then the phanotms would pounce on them----.

When the pilot at take off time is worried about landing to refuel---it cannot give any support but to save his arse when on the other side the enemy has aircraft with 2---3 --- 4 hours of loiter time----.

Decimation of egyption airforce was alot more to do with their own in competence and lack of training. If u arm egyptions with phantoms and israelis with mig 21, result would be the same or even more in israeli favout

 

[nomi007]

1 he saf main khare ho ge thunder aur falcon

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

1 he saf main khare ho ge thunder aur falcon
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Which AF does the Black F-16 (FAR right) belong too?

 

[ANG]

Hi,

Supposedly the Rafale deal has yet to be signed---.

Indian defence minister draws line at 36 Rafales - IHS Jane's 360

Indian defence minister draws line at 36 Rafales
Rahul Bedi, New Delhi - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
21 May 2015

India's defence minister has said Delhi will not buy more than the 36 Dassault Rafales. Credit: Dassault
Key Points

• India's defence minister has said Delhi will not buy more than the 36 Dassault Rafales to which it committed in April
• The announcement confirms the end of the MMRCA tender and the government's commitment to the Tejas LCA programme

India will neither licence-build additional Dassault Rafale fighters nor acquire more than the 36 it recently agreed to buy in flyaway condition, the country's Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said on 21 May.
In multiple interviews to TV channels to mark the completion of the government's first year in office, Parrikar said the money India had saved by acquiring 90 fewer Rafales would be diverted to buying 200-odd indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).
"By buying 36 Rafales instead of 126, I have saved the cost of 90 Rafales," Parrikar said, adding that this amount was around INR900 billion (USD15.51 billion). "We will use this money to buy Tejas LCA priced at around INR1.5 billion each," he added.
The LCA will replace 10 to 12 MiG-21 and MiG-27 squadrons to be retired from 2022 onwards, he said.
Parrikar declined to reveal the cost of the 36 Rafales, whose purchase Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced in Paris on 10 April and which are presently the subject of negotiations. He did, however, confirm that the contract includes a 50% offset obligation.
India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) had been in negotiations with Dassault since 2012 to acquire 126 Rafales in support of the Indian Air Force (IAF) requirement for medium multirole combat aircraft.
Of these, 18 were to have been bought off the shelf and 108 licence-built by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd in Bangalore.
Meanwhile, preliminary investigations indicate engine problems could have resulted in an IAF Sukhoi Su-30MKI multirole fighter crashing in Assam state on 19 May, official sources said. The crash was the sixth such incident involving an IAF Su-30 since the aircraft entered Indian service in 1997.
A court of inquiry into the accident is under way. Both pilots ejected safely from the fighter, which was on a routine sortie from Tezpur's Salonibari base but developed "technical problems" shortly after taking off, sources said.
In March Parrikar told parliament that the Su-30 fleet was plagued by "engine failure in air and engine-related problems" and that the IAF had documented 35 problems with the Saturn Al-31Fp powerpack.
Russian officials, however, deny such problems and attribute all six of the IAF's Su-30 accidents to "human error": an assessment with which the IAF strongly disagrees.
The IAF has inducted around 200 of 272 Su-30s acquired for more than USD12 billion.
Want to read more? For analysis on this article and access to all our insight content, please enquire about our subscription options ihs.com/contact

 

[MastanKhan]

Decimation of egyption airforce was alot more to do with their own in competence and lack of training. If u arm egyptions with phantoms and israelis with mig 21, result would be the same or even more in israeli favout

Hi,

That is incorrect----. In the ramzan war the egytians showed that they could fight---at least in the first half of the war where they were fighting as planned----and then Sadaat screwed up.

It is a lie that the underdog always tells----I will do it---I will break their arm---I will poke out heir eye---and when the time comes ad it is smashed---and you ask and he says---hey I tried---you already knew what I could do---I thought I could do it---the writing was on the wall---I took a chance---so big deal I failed----we already knew that I would fail---I was just prolonging the inevitable---but it did not work----so---big deal.

Indian defence minister draws line at 36 Rafales - IHS Jane's 360

Indian defence minister draws line at 36 Rafales
Rahul Bedi, New Delhi - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
21 May 2015

India's defence minister has said Delhi will not buy more than the 36 Dassault Rafales. Credit: Dassault
Key Points

• India's defence minister has said Delhi will not buy more than the 36 Dassault Rafales to which it committed in April
• The announcement confirms the end of the MMRCA tender and the government's commitment to the Tejas LCA programme

India will neither licence-build additional Dassault Rafale fighters nor acquire more than the 36 it recently agreed to buy in flyaway condition, the country's Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said on 21 May.
In multiple interviews to TV channels to mark the completion of the government's first year in office, Parrikar said the money India had saved by acquiring 90 fewer Rafales would be diverted to buying 200-odd indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).
"By buying 36 Rafales instead of 126, I have saved the cost of 90 Rafales," Parrikar said, adding that this amount was around INR900 billion (USD15.51 billion). "We will use this money to buy Tejas LCA priced at around INR1.5 billion each," he added.
The LCA will replace 10 to 12 MiG-21 and MiG-27 squadrons to be retired from 2022 onwards, he said.
Parrikar declined to reveal the cost of the 36 Rafales, whose purchase Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced in Paris on 10 April and which are presently the subject of negotiations. He did, however, confirm that the contract includes a 50% offset obligation.
India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) had been in negotiations with Dassault since 2012 to acquire 126 Rafales in support of the Indian Air Force (IAF) requirement for medium multirole combat aircraft.
Of these, 18 were to have been bought off the shelf and 108 licence-built by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd in Bangalore.
Meanwhile, preliminary investigations indicate engine problems could have resulted in an IAF Sukhoi Su-30MKI multirole fighter crashing in Assam state on 19 May, official sources said. The crash was the sixth such incident involving an IAF Su-30 since the aircraft entered Indian service in 1997.
A court of inquiry into the accident is under way. Both pilots ejected safely from the fighter, which was on a routine sortie from Tezpur's Salonibari base but developed "technical problems" shortly after taking off, sources said.
In March Parrikar told parliament that the Su-30 fleet was plagued by "engine failure in air and engine-related problems" and that the IAF had documented 35 problems with the Saturn Al-31Fp powerpack.
Russian officials, however, deny such problems and attribute all six of the IAF's Su-30 accidents to "human error": an assessment with which the IAF strongly disagrees.
The IAF has inducted around 200 of 272 Su-30s acquired for more than USD12 billion.
Want to read more? For analysis on this article and access to all our insight content, please enquire about our subscription options ihs.com/contact

Hi,

Supposedly---they have not signed on the dotted line yet----.

 

[ANG]

Hi,

Supposedly---they have not signed on the dotted line yet----.

Hi, yes absolutely agree with you Mr. Mastan. I was also showing, that after all that hype they are only buying 36 Rafales, and it is not the deal of the century as people touted it to be.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Indian defence minister draws line at 36 Rafales - IHS Jane's 360

Indian defence minister draws line at 36 Rafales
Rahul Bedi, New Delhi - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
21 May 2015

India's defence minister has said Delhi will not buy more than the 36 Dassault Rafales. Credit: Dassault
Key Points

• India's defence minister has said Delhi will not buy more than the 36 Dassault Rafales to which it committed in April
• The announcement confirms the end of the MMRCA tender and the government's commitment to the Tejas LCA programme

India will neither licence-build additional Dassault Rafale fighters nor acquire more than the 36 it recently agreed to buy in flyaway condition, the country's Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said on 21 May.
In multiple interviews to TV channels to mark the completion of the government's first year in office, Parrikar said the money India had saved by acquiring 90 fewer Rafales would be diverted to buying 200-odd indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).
"By buying 36 Rafales instead of 126, I have saved the cost of 90 Rafales," Parrikar said, adding that this amount was around INR900 billion (USD15.51 billion). "We will use this money to buy Tejas LCA priced at around INR1.5 billion each," he added.
The LCA will replace 10 to 12 MiG-21 and MiG-27 squadrons to be retired from 2022 onwards, he said.
Parrikar declined to reveal the cost of the 36 Rafales, whose purchase Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced in Paris on 10 April and which are presently the subject of negotiations. He did, however, confirm that the contract includes a 50% offset obligation.
India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) had been in negotiations with Dassault since 2012 to acquire 126 Rafales in support of the Indian Air Force (IAF) requirement for medium multirole combat aircraft.
Of these, 18 were to have been bought off the shelf and 108 licence-built by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd in Bangalore.
Meanwhile, preliminary investigations indicate engine problems could have resulted in an IAF Sukhoi Su-30MKI multirole fighter crashing in Assam state on 19 May, official sources said. The crash was the sixth such incident involving an IAF Su-30 since the aircraft entered Indian service in 1997.
A court of inquiry into the accident is under way. Both pilots ejected safely from the fighter, which was on a routine sortie from Tezpur's Salonibari base but developed "technical problems" shortly after taking off, sources said.
In March Parrikar told parliament that the Su-30 fleet was plagued by "engine failure in air and engine-related problems" and that the IAF had documented 35 problems with the Saturn Al-31Fp powerpack.
Russian officials, however, deny such problems and attribute all six of the IAF's Su-30 accidents to "human error": an assessment with which the IAF strongly disagrees.
The IAF has inducted around 200 of 272 Su-30s acquired for more than USD12 billion.
Want to read more? For analysis on this article and access to all our insight content, please enquire about our subscription options ihs.com/contact

If you go through this you would know what is going on currently in India regarding these 36 Rafales.
This is the present position.
Indian defence minister draws line at 36 Rafales

As
@NKVD quated
French can be impressed if this solutions was opted earlier

Since due to our negligence you know( third world beaurucracy) in drafting tender.
We also loose our chance to leverage Dassault after Eygptian order our chances are degraded even below.

Although there still hope for more rafale as we know are airforces fetish over foreign Maals.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi, yes absolutely agree with you Mr. Mastan. I was also showing, that after all that hype they are only buying 36 Rafales, and it is not the deal of the century as people touted it to be.

Hi,

After all that drama and hoopla of MMRCA----instead of being a big bang----it is like stale air leaking out of an old soggy balloon ( no disrespect to indian colleagues )---they played the world aeronautic industry for good for a long time-----man did they ever get stroked hard and in the end they did not even come----.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi, yes absolutely agree with you Mr. Mastan. I was also showing, that after all that hype they are only buying 36 Rafales, and it is not the deal of the century as people touted it to be.

Hi,

France is really being screwed---. They got fcked real hard----.

So---in 2009---I am in Sunnyvale CA---heart of silicone alley----I am selling a Jaguar to this indian doctor---he is there with his daughter---. He had seen the vehicle advertised---a 5 years old Jag with around 14 K miles---talked to me over the phone---discussed---drove 55 miles to where I am---we discuss further more---we agree on every thing---shook hands---he suddenly gets up and says---I don't want to do it and starts walking of----I was a bit confused---looked at the daughter---she grew up in the U S---says to me " don't you know my Dad is indian---they are al Bi Polar "-----( no offence please ).

By this time---France would have had a bigger chunk of Pakistan's money than the Rafales supposed contract----.

What a screw up france--what a screw up.

Decimation of egyption airforce was alot more to do with their own in competence and lack of training. If u arm egyptions with phantoms and israelis with mig 21, result would be the same or even more in israeli favout

Hi,

Fighter pilots don't fight in ether----they are real people fighting real time battles----and when they enter into a battle against an enemy knowing that your equipment is 5 times weaker in stamina---that in itself is no confidence builder----.

Nobody wants to just simply take off and while landing be shot down----what kind of death would that be----so I would not hold it against the Egyptian pilot---.

 

[Donatello]

Hi,

Supposedly the Rafale deal has yet to be signed---.

Secondly---we don't have assets to defend our skies----it is a lie being told by the paf over and over.

Have you read about the 73 ramzan war----the Israelis decimated the Egyptian air force. The Egyptian mig 21's had a loiter time of 30---40 minutes---facing them were Phantoms with 3 1/2 hours of loiter time----.

The migs would take off and then after a few minutes they would want to land and then the phanotms would pounce on them----.

When the pilot at take off time is worried about landing to refuel---it cannot give any support but to save his arse when on the other side the enemy has aircraft with 2---3 --- 4 hours of loiter time----.

JF-17 loiter time is about 45mins without external tanks......if you take into account that Chinese premier's plane was escorted when it crossed the border somewhere over the Karakorams.....you'll see it is easily more than 45 minutes flight time (going there, catching up, formation and then coming in)....and they were using external tanks and then the same JF-17s did a fly pass over the Nur Khan base....not to mention one added feature that the Migs didn't have...aerial refueling.

So i am sure it is more than an hour on external fuel tank.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

By this time---France would have had a bigger chunk of Pakistan's money than the Rafales supposed contract----.

What a screw up france--what a screw up.

Sir,
If India is not going to buy Rafales the company would shut down, this was what France had been advocating. For the last Decade India and China is trying to find all those companies and products that are financially not viable so that they can purchase.

Dassult once sold to India would have given India all the technological advancement to build a 5th gen aircraft. Fortunately some how Dassult was able to survive 10 years and before India could get out of this shock the Rafales showed their capabilities in Libya and other places. The sanctions on F-16's by USA provoked Egypt to purchase these fighters followed by other Arab countries(though still no confirmed order). This development was never thought off by India. Now all of a sudden the # tag "saviour India" was no more valid.

France has once again shown interest in selling what it had offered before for the JF-17's but this time Pakistan is not interested it it. Pakistan wants the most advance systems...Though Pakistan Air Force is not interested in procuring French aircraft still the possibility of them ending in Pakistan is high. The French are smart they know very well how to screw others , One screw up is all it takes to wake up.

 

[Windjammer]

Just learned that PAF PR Wing plans to install GoPro inside the Thunder during Paris show ...so expect another good video from them.

Selfies and GoPro is the trend.