JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5]

[Donatello]

Nice one but might never materialize...FCK-1 taiwanese have a good cockpit visibility but Jf-17's is also good.

Plus, it will take up a hardpoint. 7 Hardpoints, not much flexibility when 3 go with the fuel tanks.

 

[burraak]

Nice one but might never materialize...FCK-1 taiwanese have a good cockpit visibility but Jf-17's is also good.

Ever since I saw JF-17 I found only one thing missing in its killer looks and that is canopy shape, The question is not what difference it makes to pilot but a bubble type canopy look impressive and modern, I wish the current canopy design tease Saudis and they redesign it before inducting it to their fleet....
By the way I took Mirage 4000 canopy .............

 

[Dazzler]

Could not find anything either. Just that image and the one showing it used by the J-10 and guiding a bomb. …. …. I am sure we will get more in due time. I have learnt that they tend to tease … … release bits gradually at various defence exhibitions.

its a further refined model of OC-2 targeting pod...

 

[Manticore]

POWERFUL! PLA'S NEW SMART BOMB EXPOSURED,
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According to the U.S. strategic global network coverage, probably in the last five years, China has 200 retired five strong fighters. But some of the fighters was found with a half-ton TV-guided KAB-500Kr smart bombs. The picture shows the increase hanging under the wings of KAB-500KR TV-guided bombs, weight 560 kg, the maximum throwing distance of 9 km, with an accuracy of about 4 meters.


According to the U.S. strategic global network of 15 reported in the past five years, China has 200 retired about five strong fighters. But some of the fighters was found with a half-ton KAB-500Kr TV guided bombs.


Reported strong five aircraft is a new generation of China's first supersonic jet attack aircraft. Weight 11.8 tons of double strength five MiG -19 fighter aircraft is based on research, so do not have the early features of imported before the MiG fighters. Strong carry out five major low-altitude penetration, the attacker forces the assembly points, tanks, airports, communications centers, missile positions, as well as surface ships and other war zones and the shallow depth of target, and can carry air-air missiles to defend itself.

Reported that since 1969, China has produced thousands of fighter planes strong 5. Five single-seat fighter equipped with two powerful 23 mm cannon, can be mounted weighing two tons of bombs and missiles. People's Liberation Army Navy has always been to use its strong anti-ship missiles, five fighters. Five aircraft equipped for the strong TV-guided bombs, and China recently equipped GPS guided bomb unit, will extend the service life of this aircraft.

Over time, China has been strongly upgraded five fighters. The early nineties of last century, it started strong with five fighters in many modern electronic devices (head-up display, laser range finder), and even produce that can be mounted laser and GPS guided bombs, upgrades of intense five fighters. There is a strong five aircraft can carry targeting pod upgrades. While the outside world to believe that the fighter version of the smart bomb is still at an experimental stage, but was found in a number of bases in a few planes carrying smart bombs rather than conventional experimental aircraft.


Network mounted pods and laser-guided bombs Q-5 fighters

Q-5 can be modified to add a plane fuselage pod instructions.

Online circulation of Russian KAB-500KR TV-guided bombs. The shells in exercises and actual combat performance is better than laser-guided bombs, the anti-electronic, smoke and dust are strong interference.

Russia GNPP regional joint holding company, KAB-500Kr show the temperature-pressure-guided bombs.

 

[Manticore]

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[MastanKhan]

Plus, it will take up a hardpoint. 7 Hardpoints, not much flexibility when 3 go with the fuel tanks.

Hi,

Once you have in-flight refuelling capabilities---you don't need 3 fuel tanks. You take off with minimal fuel and maximum load and then you refuel in the air---possible take off with two fuel tanks instead of three.

A take off might consume one fuel tank in itself or maybe more. And if the aicraft gets conformal fuel tank for special operations---then you get all the hard points available for weapons load or ECM's.

In flight refuelling will be a major force multiplier. Also the pilots would have to be a lot more fitter to handle much much longer flight times in one go.

Actually it will take the air force in a diffferent direction when most of its aircraft have in flight refuelling capabilities---with the width of pakistan at 250---300 miles and length at a 1000 miles + it will be interesting to see the depth of their strike capabilities.

 

[fatman17]

the 3rd JFT squadron is due to form soon and it is being reported that No.14 Squadron Tail Choppers based at Sargodha will be re-equipped with the JFT.

 

[Kompromat]

the 3rd JFT squadron is due to form soon and it is being reported that No.14 Squadron Tail Choppers based at Sargodha will be re-equipped with the JFT.

@ghilzai

Here comes the good news. Cheer up now

 

[fatman17]

China’s Arms Industry Makes Global Inroads

Sim Chi Yin for The New York Times
Members of Aviation Industry Corporation of China displayed a model of the JF-17 jet at an exposition in Beijing last month.

By EDWARD WONG and NICOLA CLARK
Published: October 20, 2013

BEIJING — From the moment Turkey announced plans two years ago to acquire a long-range missile defense system, the multibillion-dollar contract from a key NATO member appeared to be an American company’s to lose.
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Aviation Industry Corporation of China employees with models of commercial and military planes in Beijing last month.

For years, Turkey’s military had relied on NATO-supplied Patriot missiles, built by the American companies Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, to defend its skies, and the system was fully compatible with the air-defense platforms operated by other members of the alliance.
There were other contenders for the deal, of course. Rival manufacturers in Russia and Europe made bids. Turkey rejected those — but not in favor of the American companies. Its selection last month of a little-known Chinese defense company, China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corp oration, stunned the military-industrial establishment in Washington and Brussels.
The sale was especially unusual because the Chinese missile defense system, known as the HQ-9, would be difficult to integrate with existing NATO equipment. China Precision is also subject to sanctions from the United States for selling technologies that the United States says could help Iran, Syria and North Korea develop unconventional weapons. A State Department spokeswoman said this month that American officials had expressed to the Turkish government “serious concerns” about the deal, which has not yet been signed.
Industry executives and arms-sales analysts say the Chinese probably beat out their more established rivals by significantly undercutting them on price, offering their system at $3 billion. Nonetheless, Turkey’s selection of a Chinese state-owned manufacturer is a breakthrough for China, a nation that has set its sights on moving up the value chain in arms technology and establishing itself as a credible competitor in the global weapons market.
“This is a remarkable win for the Chinese arms industry,” said Pieter Wezeman, a senior researcher at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which tracks arms sales and transfers.
In the past, Chinese companies have been known mainly as suppliers of small arms, but that is changing quickly. From drones to frigates to fighter jets, the companies are aggressively pushing foreign sales of high-tech hardware, mostly in the developing world. Russian companies are feeling the greatest pressure, but American and other Western companies are also increasingly running into the Chinese.
“China will be competing with us in many, many domains, and in the high end,” said Marwan Lahoud, the head of strategy and marketing at European Aeronautic Defense and Space, Europe’s largest aerospace company. “Out of 100 campaigns, that is, the commercial prospects we have, we may have the Chinese in front of us among the competitors in about three or four. They have the full range of capabilities, and they are offering them.”
The Stockholm institute released a report this year on global weapons transfers that found the volume of Chinese conventional weapons exports — which included high-end aircraft, missiles, ships and artillery — jumped by 162 percent from 2008 to 2012, compared with the previous five years. Pakistan is the leading customer. The institute now estimates that China is the fifth-largest arms exporter in the world, ahead of Britain. From 2003 to 2007, China ranked eighth.
China’s foreign arms sales are also rising fast in dollar terms. According to IHS Jane’s, an industry consulting and analysis company, Chinese exports have nearly doubled over the past five years to $2.2 billion, surpassing Canada and Sweden, and making China the world’s eighth-largest exporter by value.
The total global arms trade revenue in 2012 was estimated to be $73.5 billion, and the United States had a 39 percent share, according to IHS Jane’s.
Xu Guangyu, a retired major general in the People’s Liberation Army and director of the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, said in an interview that the push by Chinese companies to develop and sell higher-tech arms was “a very normal phenomenon.”
“In arms manufacturing, China is trying to increase the quality and reduce price,” he said. “We’re driven by competition.”
Mr. Xu said that besides pricing, Chinese companies had another advantage: they do not “make demands over other governments’ status and internal policies.” He added: “Our policy of noninterference applies here. Whoever is in the government, whoever has diplomatic status with us, we can talk about arms sales with them.”
Chinese officials know that China’s encroachment on Western-dominated military markets raises concerns. When asked about the missile-defense sale to Turkey, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said, “China’s military exports do no harm to peace, security and stability,” and do not “interfere with the internal affairs of recipient countries.”
The largest Chinese arms production companies, all state-owned, declined interview requests. Their finances are opaque, though there are some statistics on their Web sites and in the state news media.
The China North Industries Group Corporation, or the Norinco Group, said on its Web site that its profits in 2012 were 9.81 billion renminbi, or about $1.6 billion, a 45 percent increase from 2010. Its revenues in 2012 were 361.6 billion renminbi, or about $59 billion, a 53 percent increase over 2010. Another company, the China South Industries Group Corporation, or CSGC, said on its Web site that it had profits of about $1 billion in 2011, on revenue of about $45 billion, both big increases over 2008.
China’s investment has been heaviest in fighter planes — both traditional and stealth versions — as well as in jet engines, an area in which China had until now been dependent on Western and Russian partners, said Guy Anderson, a senior military industry analyst in London with IHS Jane’s.
“China has been throwing billions and billions of dollars at research and development,” he said. “They also have a strategy of using the gains they get from foreign partnerships to benefit their industrial sector. So they should not have any trouble catching up with their Western competitors over the medium term, and certainly over the long term.”
He estimated that China was still a decade away from competing head-to-head with Western nations on the technology itself. But Chinese equipment is priced lower and could become popular in emerging markets, including in African and Latin American nations.
“We are in an era of ‘good enough’ — the 90 percent solution that will do the job at the best possible price,” Mr. Anderson said. “In some cases, that may even mean buying commercial equipment, upgrading it slightly and painting it khaki.”
New customers for Chinese equipment include Argentina, which in 2011 signed a deal with the Chinese company Avicopter to build Z-11 light helicopters under license. Mass production for the Argentine military began this year, and 40 helicopters are expected to be built over the next several years. The value of the contract has not been made public.
Companies selling drones, another focal point in the Chinese arms industry, are ubiquitous at arms and aviation shows. At an aviation exposition in Beijing in late September, one Chinese company, China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation, had on display a model of a CH-4 reconnaissance and combat drone, with four models of missiles next to it.
Though the drone had been “designed for export,” one company representative said, there were no foreign buyers yet. The company was still being licensed by the government to sell the aircraft abroad. He added that the drone was not yet up to par with some foreign models, and that the engine was a foreign make, though other parts — including the missiles — had been developed in China.
The Aviation Industry Corporation of China, or AVIC, had on display a model of a Wing Loong, the best-known Chinese drone export, which sells for about $1 million, less than similar American and Israeli drone models. An article in People’s Daily said the export certificate for the Wing Loong, or Pterodactyl, was approved in June 2009, and it was first exported in 2011.
At the Paris Air Show in June, Ma Zhiping, president of the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation, told Global Times, another state-run newspaper, that “quite a few countries” had bought the Wing Loong, which resembles the American-made Predator. Clients were in Africa and Asia, he said.
Two fighter jets made by Chinese companies are being closely watched by industry analysts and foreign companies for their export potential. One is Shenyang Aircraft’s J-31, a fighter jet that Chinese officials say has stealth abilities. A People’s Daily report last month said that the J-31 was being made by Shenyang, an AVIC subsidiary, mostly for export, citing an interview with Zhang Zhaozhong, a rear admiral in the Chinese Navy. In March, the airplane’s chief designer, Sun Cong, told People’s Daily that the J-31 could become China’s main next-generation carrier-borne fighter jet.
The other jet is the JF-17, a less-sophisticated aircraft that an American official said had been in the works for about two decades in an “on-again, off-again” project. The jet was ostensibly the product of a joint venture between Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and China’s Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation, also an AVIC subsidiary, but China did the real work, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the secrecy surrounding military projects. So far, Pakistan is the only client, and the official said he believed Pakistan had made a “political decision” to buy it.
China is Pakistan’s biggest ally, and each relies on the other to help counter India. Besides the JF-17, the two nations have had official joint production agreements on a frigate, a battle tank and a small aircraft.
A defense official from Japan, a territorial rival of China that monitors its arms trade closely, said Chinese jets still had big shortcomings that could hurt international sales; most notably, China cannot make reliable engines or avionics, he said. The JF-17 uses a Russian engine.
“I believe they can make a few very good engines in the laboratory, but they can’t make it in the factory, kind of mass produce it in factories, because of lack of quality control and maybe experience,” he said.
He added that Chinese engineers had been trying to develop an engine, the WS-10, a copy of a Russian model, but had been having problems.
It is not uncommon for customers to overcome weaknesses in Chinese manufacturing by buying Chinese platforms and outfitting them with better Western equipment. Algeria placed an order last year for three Chinese corvettes, but is outfitting the ships with radar and communications equipment from Thales Nederland, a unit of the Thales Group, based in France. Thailand has been awarding contracts to the Saab Group, based in Sweden, to upgrade Chinese-built frigates, said Ben Moores, a senior analyst at IHS Jane’s.
This year, a Chinese company was competing against foreign counterparts, including at least one American company, for a $1 billion Thai contract for naval frigates, but lost to Daewoo of South Korea.
As China moves to catch up with established Western rivals, competing not only on price but also with comparable technology, Hakan Buskhe, chief executive of Saab, said his company and others would be likely to find themselves under pressure to cut their own research and development costs to lower pricing — a trend that could benefit North American and European governments looking to squeeze more ability out of shrinking defense budgets.
“We need to be able to develop more for less,” he said.
Edward Wong reported from Beijing and Tokyo, and Nicola Clark from Paris. Gerry Doyle contributed reporting from Hong Kong. Patrick Zuo and Bree Feng contributed research from Beijing.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

And we blame Thunder for being smoky.

 

[OverandOut]

I'm really curious about the jets used to deliver the recent surgical strikes. Can we know if it was the jf 17 variant?
....hope this is not off topic.

I'm really curious about the jets used to deliver the recent surgical strikes. Can we know if it was the jf 17 variant?
....hope this is not off topic.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Seeking teammates from pakistan for deathmatch amd coop sessions in Tom Clancy,s HAWX at garena.

I would but i unistalled it some time go

 

[Gryphon]

China is world's No. 3 exporter of fighter jets: Russian thinktank

• 2014-02-20

A JF-17 Thunder fighter from the Pakistan Air Force at the Zhuhai Air Show in 2012. (Photo/CNS)

China is currently the world's third largest fighter exporter, according to a report cited by the Military Parade, a Russian military website.

The Centre for Analysis of World Arms Trade, which compiled the report, based its findings on information released by the government regarding the export contracts of fighters between 2010-2017. Even though the actual number of fighters imported may differ slightly from those announced, the centre said the official data is the most accurate information it could obtain.

Since new contracts may be signed between 2014 and 2017, more fighters will ultimately be purchased than projected in the report.

The United States is still the largest fighter exporter in the world, according to the figures, and is projected to sell 366 fighters for a total of US$38 billion between 2010 and 2017. For the first four years, the United States will earn US$15 billion by providing 171 fighters to its allies and security partners.

Russia is second, providing 323 fighters for US$15 billion between 2010 and 2017. For the next three years, Russia will sell an estimated 120 fighters for US$7 billion.

The US F-35 stealth fighter will be produced in 2016, potentially widening the gap between the United States and Russia's exports. In addition, other nations may sign new contract to purchase more F-35s from the United States in the future.

China's fighter sales comprise around 100 FC-1 Xiaolong or JF-17 Thunder fighters sold to Pakistan for US$2.5 billion. China has already made US$800 million for providing 45 of the fighters to the Pakistan Air Force. In the next four years, China will have to deliver another 55 of the jointly developed fighter to Pakistan for an additional US$1.6 billion.

China is world's No. 3 exporter of fighter jets: Russian thinktank｜Politics｜News｜WantChinaTimes.com

 

[farhan_9909]

55 for 1.6billion dollars=Block II price 29million dollars

this mean JFT II is more expensive than LCA mk1 for 26million dollars

 

[Chak Bamu]

55 for 1.6billion dollars=Block II price 29million dollars

this mean JFT II is more expensive than LCA mk1 for 26million dollars

I would not put much trust in those figures. Who got them from where?