JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[Beast]

Sir, you made a claim hence the onus of providing the source is upon you not me. I didn't make that claim. Please don't try to flip the question. Answer it please.

There is a CCTV video of the making of FC-1 but its in Chinese, it talks about from super-7 to today JF-17. In one part of talking about Chinese side ruining a tight schedule of making pt04 with no additional fund and meeting the deadline of PAF Air Marshal in order to get firm order from them.

If you think PAF did inject additional fund , prove it.

 

[TaimiKhan]

There is a CCTV video of the making of FC-1 but its in Chinese, it talks about from super-7 to today JF-17. In one part of talking about Chinese side ruining a tight schedule of making pt04 with no additional fund and meeting the deadline of PAF Air Marshal in order to get firm order from them.

If you think PAF did inject additional fund , prove it.

I am not sure why you are making an issue out of something which happens often, companies are short on funds when they are making products either from the principal participants or designated funds run out, at such stages the manufacturer makes use of its own funds, makes the final product and then recover the invested money when sales start to happen. PAF would have invested and at some critical stage when the designer / manufacturer made some changes and wanted to produce the prototype, the available funds may have been already spent, thus AVIC decided to fund it from its own resources and then recover once sales start to happen. You can see in your own post, that the chinese side were on a tight schedule, meaning either the project did not go as planned as per the available funds or they suggested a change in the design and there were no funds thus they used their to get the order and recover their money in that order. Even in the US, the aircraft sold be it commercial platforms or combat jets consist R&D cost in the price of the jet.

 

[Najam Khan]

It's more like you can't accept the reality. Please update yrself the later specification of JL-15, the thrust I quote is back with link and facts. JL-15 can pull 8.5G , LERX for high angle of attack. It's combat radius is comparable to JF-17, so as the weapon payload. The china domestic make engine will code name WS-11. 100% made in china like K-8.

Didn't my word come true , there will be no twin seater JF-17 in near future. So you going to ban me just becos I stated something true? It's from yr Air Marshal words that no twin JF-17 seater. Of cos, he will not stated china is refusing planning to make one or demanding a huge fee for such development.

Dear Beast,
Both of these statements about JF-17 twin seater and selection of JL-15 (as claimed by you) are unrelated. If PAC has delayed the twin seater project, its because of some financial and operational needs at this stage. It has nothing to do with similar systems placed on the table by AVIC.

PAF will continue to train pilots on simulator; they are happy with this and its quite possible that all emphasis is put on 2nd Block instead of twin seater aircraft.

 

[air marshal]

Admiral Asif Sandila, Chief of the Naval Staff, Pakistan Navy poses for a group photograph along with Air Marshal Sohail Gul Khan, Chairman PAC Board Kamra and key staff at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra - April 11, 2013.

 

[Glitcher]

There is a CCTV video of the making of FC-1 but its in Chinese, it talks about from super-7 to today JF-17. In one part of talking about Chinese side ruining a tight schedule of making pt04 with no additional fund and meeting the deadline of PAF Air Marshal in order to get firm order from them.

If you think PAF did inject additional fund , prove it.

can you provide the video with subtitles ?

 

[HRK]

Admiral Asif Sandila, Chief of the Naval Staff, Pakistan Navy poses for a group photograph along with Air Marshal Sohail Gul Khan, Chairman PAC Board Kamra and key staff at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra - April 11, 2013.

Naval Version JF-17.......???

What Naval officers are doing in PAC....??

 

[Jango]

What Naval officers are doing in PAC....??

Maybe a normal visit as a courtesy!

 

[HRK]

Maybe a normal visit as a courtesy!

Ya may be.....

 

[fatman17]

Naval Version JF-17.......???

What Naval officers are doing in PAC....??

the JFT is cleared to carry the C802A.

 

[fatman17]

J-21/AMF Gyrfalcon

The J-21 (Project 310?) Falcon 01 prototype was approaching the SAC airfield after its successful maiden flight on October 31, 2012. A scale-down model (F-60) of J-21 was first unveiled by the 601 Institute at the first International UAV Innovation Grand Prix held in Beijing in September 2011. It was first rumored in April 2011 that 601/SAC has been developing a 4th generation medium multi-role stealth fighter as J-21 (Project 310) since 2007 after its own heavy stealth fighter design lost the bid to 611/CAC's J-20 (see above). The aircraft has a conventional design with twin engines and two large slanted trapezoidal tailfins similar to American F-22. As the result the ventral stabilizing fins are eliminated to save weight and reduce RCS. In addition it features DSIs, two piece canopy and a pentagon shaped nose similar to F-35. Like J-20, a retractable IFR proble could be installed on the starboard side slightly forward of the canopy.

As a 4th generation fighter J-21 is expcted to be equipped with advanced avionics such as an AESA radar and a wide-angle holographic HUD. The prototype is expected initially to be powered by the 8.5t class RD-93/WS-13A turbofan (without TVC) but later by the new 9.5t class "Medium Thrust" engine (WS-13B, might feature 2D TVC). The RD-93 engine nozzles on the prototype appear without any stealth measures applied. However they are partially shielded by the two horizontal tailfins extending rearward, similar to F-35, thus reduces the IR and radar signatures. J-21 features a single internal weapon bay inside its belly housing up to 4 (?) AAMs including PL-10, PL-12 or PL-15. It may also be able to carry the larger YJ-83K AshM and YJ-91 ARM externally. However due to its relatively small size and lower engine thrust compared to J-20, J-21 might suffer from either a limited internal payload or a shorter combat radius. It is not expected to have the super-cruise capability initially either when powered by RD-93.

Some specifications (speculated): length 16.9m, height 4.8m, wingspan 11.5m, normal TO wight 17.5t, combat radius 1,250km with internal fuel, max level speed Mach 1.8, TO distance 400m. A full-scale metal model was probably built in early 2011. One airframe was transported to the 623 Institute in Yanliang for static tests in June 2012. The first prototype was under construction since late 2011. Its first flight took place on October 31, 2012, powered by two smoky RD-93 turbofans.

As a private venture of AVIC, J-21 (dubbed AMF/Advanced Multi-role Fighter) is expected to be promoted at the international market as a low-cost alternative to American F-35. Therefore it could have some negative impact on the prospects of FC-1/JF-17 in 7-10 years. Its first foreign customer is likely to be Pakistani AF.

As for the domestic market, it appears to be a good candidate to replace all the remaining J-7E/G series light fighters still in service with PLAAF and PLAN, as the production of J-10 series will be limited to around 300. It was rumored that J-21 could compete with the other stealth fighter design from 611 Institute for the next generation PLAN carrier-based stealth fighter but this has not been confirmed. J-21 was partially unveiled at 2012 Zhuhai Airshow as an "advanced fighter concept", featuring a one-piece canopy.

- Last Updated 4/7/13

CMA

 

[fatman17]

CM-400AKG

This supersonic standoff missile was first on display at the 2012 Zhuhai Airshow as part of FC-1/JF-17's "complete" weapon package. Unlike most modern ASMs flying at the low altitude, the missile flies a rare high ballistic trajectory, powered by a solid rocket motor. It appears that CM-400AKG may have evolved from the earlier SY-400 SRBM. Therefore the effectiveness of such attack profile is still unknown. Some specifications: weight 900kg, max range 240km, max speed Mach 5.5 (at diving stage?). It has INS during the mid-course and utilizes active radar/passive radar/IIR seeker with target-recognition capabilities at the terminal stage, which may improve its accuracy. The missile is claimed to be capable of terminal maneuver in some degree to avoid interception by SAM. CM-400AKG is speculated to have been designed to attack fixed or "slow moving", high value ground targets. It is confirmed that CM-400AGK is in service with PAF's JF-17.

- Last Updated 11/22/12

 

[farhan_9909]

Dr. Abid Ali Khan

Gold Medal for Best Performance in BE (Aerospace Engineering) - 1986
CAS Best in Engineering Trophy, Aeronautical Engineering, CAE - 1986
Award of CATIC, China scholarship for MS/PhD at Beihang University Beijing, China in 1993.
Chief of Air Staff Commendation Certificate for outstanding performance, 2003.
Certificate from Chengdu Aircraft Design and Research Institute (CADI) for valuable contribution as JF-17 design team member from 2004 to 2006.
Certificate from Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Company Ltd (CAC) for distinguished service and valuable contribution during structure testing by JF-17 joint team
HEC Approved PhD Supervisor

Faculty Achievements

 

[Jango]

Russian air chief sat in a JF-17 12-13.

Note that 138 was also there during the PN visit, so possibly indicating it is the last aircraft in the production line.

Shouldn't there be 50 JFT's? This should indicate that the third squadron does not have enough aircraft...101-138 and one attrition. If one squadron has around 16...do the math.

P.S: this is all on the supposition that 138 is the last aircraft off the production line.

It certainly seems that the project has hit some sort of snag, probably financial or diplomatic.

Sorry if already discussed.

 

[shanixee]

Russian air chief sat in a JF-17 12-13.

Note that 138 was also there during the PN visit, so possibly indicating it is the last aircraft in the production line.

Shouldn't there be 50 JFT's? This should indicate that the third squadron does not have enough aircraft...101-138 and one attrition. If one squadron has around 16...do the math.

P.S: this is all on the supposition that 138 is the last aircraft off the production line.

It certainly seems that the project has hit some sort of snag, probably financial or diplomatic.

Sorry if already discussed.

PAF gave him a good level protocol..took him to JF 17 which atlease gave an idea that PAF is keen to start and establish relationship with russia.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Russian Chief looks PSed and second thing nobody nearby, even on the stairs. Russian chief was wearing blue suite, here hes totally white.
pictures looks too weird.