JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[GURU DUTT]

I acknowledged what? Where did you barged into this discussion?

Why would Pakistan need to force india to come to table?

Why can't we rely on F16 after 2014, do they expire after that?

Nothings changing in the neighbourhood, the scum would remain a scum. It doesn't make any difference if an impotent scum sleeps with a ***** or princesses, I don't think you'll be able to comprehend this one, so I'll make it easy for you, whether IAF pilots fly Mig21 or SU30MKI or Rafael, they are the same for PAF.

he he he he still

 

[Gentelman]

so good u aknowledged it mate but do you think JF 17 is enof for pakistan to force india to come on table for talk i guess it is too little too late pakistan shpould go for something like a eruofighter or maybe Grippen other wise as things are going you cantrt relay on F16 for too long specially after 2014 and till then the things in naiburhood will be quite diffirent and difficult for PAF to sustain a credible force ...any way good luck

So wt do you expect from a country having financial crisis having 1st multi role fighter..
PAF achieved more goals than expected...
Radar performance is more than satisfactory PAF is satisfied with engine...
we are writing program of JFT and creating avionics in home...
That all what was set as goals to jump in that project and and and to have a 4th gen jet to replace A-5,Mairages and F-7s and have a BVR platform....
for high end F-16 and FC-20 are slected bt don't know about the FC-20 stuck deal coz of engine problems....
we got much from JFT as it is b/w high and middle tech with HMD,BVR and IRST(blick 2 planned) and air refulling capability.....
what needed is mach 2.0(which was achieved in PT-06) and greater payload with atleast 2 more hardpoints....
all what needed by PAF will be achieved in block 3 with WS-13(planned).....
well comparison with India as defense point of view JFT is credible with AWACS and support ftom ground units....

 

[Bratva]

I have some Questions........,
Is the rumor true that the 4th SAAB-2000 Erieye AWACS of PAF was destroyed during Terrorist Attack on Kamra ?
How many Thunders are finished, and is the First 50 batch completed already or yet awaiting delivery of final Units ?
Its April 6, 2013 today.....If the 50 Units are delivered then where is the 3rd Squadron ?

It's not a rumour, It's an officially acknowledged fact. Government of Pakistan has accepted their failure

 

[Jango]

I have some Questions........,
Is the rumor true that the 4th SAAB-2000 Erieye AWACS of PAF was destroyed during Terrorist Attack on Kamra ?

Welcome to planet earth..so how did hibernation go?

 

[SQ8]

What else would you call that, in reality block 50/52 is more radar observable due to angular spine as compared to original block 15/16. Regarding physical appearance, there are no significant changes in airframe and most upgrades are limited to equipment only.

And this is serious discussion, what is serious for you Thunder transforming into super stealth platform with super cruise, T/W ratio of 2.5, 13 hard points, AESA Radar capable of 360 coverage out to 600 nautical miles?

Umm, I wont be so sure....
The Block-52 aircraft also have a greater treatment in terms of RCS absorbing materials and in terms of frontal RCS have equal or lesser RCS due to the use of certain techniques in construction that were introduced after the first Have-Glass modifications.

That being said, those weapons sitting outside dont help at all.

 

[Thunder_Rider]

Welcome to planet earth..so how did hibernation go?

It went good, thanks umm... but without some updates.

 

[fatman17]

why are we discussing awacs in a JFT thread?

 

[alnaseh]

Interview (Jane's Defence Weekly): Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood and JF-17

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[Kompromat]

@alnaseh I just posted it. Thanks

 

[Kompromat]

So from the above interview.

* 40 JFTs are flying
* 3rd Squadron is in final stages
* BVR integration is a done deal
* ASM integration is a done deal
* PGM integration is a done deal
* D level maintenance is planned and being put in place.
* Block II will not have huge upgrades
* RD-93 is being kissed and hugged
* JFT achieved desirable mission results against the flanker in A2A combat exercises.
* JFT will follow JSF "simulators" approach towards training.
* PAF is very keen on exporting the jet.

Please add more points if you see from the above interview.

 

[monitor]

from above interview Paf JF-17 would have a typical weapons configuration of 2 PL-5EIII AAM 2 SD-10 BVM and three/two drop tank . it can carry four SD-10 but they will pursue present configuration .

 

[Luftwaffe]

So from the above interview.

* 40 JFTs are flying
* 3rd Squadron is in final stages
* BVR integration is a done deal
* ASM integration is a done deal
* PGM integration is a done deal
* D level maintenance is planned and being put in place.
* Block II will not have huge upgrades
* RD-93 is being kissed and hugged
* JFT achieved desirable mission results against the flanker in A2A combat exercises.
* JFT will follow JSF "simulators" approach towards training.
* PAF is very keen on exporting the jet.
Please add more points if you see from the above interview.

"we will start production of Block II the difference will mostly be capabilities, production technologies, avionics and some maintenance facilitation for ground crew"

The Article is 27 March 2013 one of the mystery could have been solved Block II production has not started yet or could soon be started which means 3rd Squadron could be Block I.

 

[salman-1]

This is good news and have cleared all doubts for the PAF ability to run this project. Stll the the project is a bit behind the schelude, as in his previous interview he stated that 42 are built and in diff phases of testing.. December 2012 was the date to built all 50 and make operational. They mght be focussing to complete integration first of all the weapons to make full strenght.

It seems 20 aircraft for each sqdn is decided now. as their will be third sqn raising shortly it might also get 20 aircraft and not 10.

 

[fatman17]

Interview: Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, Deputy Chief Project Director, JF-17 Programme, Pakistan Air Force


Author:Tomislav Mesaric, Zagreb


Last posted:2013-03-21



In Pakistan the JF-17 combat aircraft programme, conducted as a joint venture with China, is a matter of national pride, with the aircraft on track to become the backbone of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) for decades to come.

"Two years ago we had only one JF-17 Squadron with 20 aircraft, but now we have two," said Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, who was posted to become the programme's deputy director when the aircraft was still on the drawing board.

"Both squadrons are completely operational, while one of the two squadrons has two roles: conversion and operational training. We are about to raise the third squadron, but we still haven't decided which one that will be," said Air Cdre Khalid. "Around 40 JF-17s are flying at the moment, with the last few from Block I in the final stages of assembly.

"Production started with a small batch of aircraft we used for maturity of the production processes and for the assessment of operational capability and fine tuning of the aircraft," he said. "Based on that and the capability enhancements we introduced in the Block I, we will start with production of Block II. The difference will mostly be in capabilities, production technologies, avionics and some maintenance facilitation for the ground crew.

"As far as manufacturing tempo is concerned," noted the air commodore, "we are matching the retirement tempo of the air force's older types, regulating the induction of JF-17s according to the air force's demands."

Regarding the JF-17's operational capabilities, IHS Jane's understands that the PAF has the necessary sources codes to integrate weapons onto the aircraft. Air Cdre Khalid confirmed that the PAF has the capability for weapons integration, stating: "We can buy a weapon on the free market and integrate it on the JF-17 on our own and in-country. We have a team of flight test engineers and pilots that form the flight test group as a separate unit."

When the JF-17 first entered service it only flew with PL-5EII within-visual-range air-to-air missiles (AAMs) and fuel tanks, but the aircraft is now flying with SD-10 beyond-visual-range AAMs, C-802A anti-ship missiles, an electronic warfare pod and several types of general-purpose and precision-guided bombs. "We are using a combination of weapons of different origins," the air commodore noted.

When it comes to the maintenance the PAF has operational (O), intermediate (I) and depot (D) levels, just like in the West. "Since the JF-17 is a new aircraft we haven't performed any D-level maintenance on it yet, but we are in a process of establishing a component D-level capability," he said.

Regarding the JF-17's RD-93 powerplant, Air Cdre Khalid vouched for it being a very robust engine. "We have flown it for 7,000 hours without a problem," he said.

While the Chinese are reportedly working on a replacement powerplant for the JF-17, the PAF seems happy that solid agreements are in place between the Chinese and original Russian designers of the RD-93 to guarantee the supply of enough engines for its needs.

At the moment the JF-17 is already qualified for quick-reaction alert duty. "We have IFF on board, so we can go straight up and shoot at the enemy," said Air Cdre Khalid. In standard configuration the JF-17 carries two PL-5EII missiles, two SD-10 missiles and two or three fuel tanks. "The aircraft could have the capability to carry four SD-10 missiles," he noted, "but we decided to pursue the present configuration. The digital weapon interface is on all hard points, which gives us a lot of flexibility for weapons carriage."

So far the JF-17 has not seen real combat, but the type has participated in a number of exercises. "We have very good experience in dissimilar combat against different types of aircraft in multi-bogey environments," said the air commodore.

During air combat manoeuvres with the People's Liberation Army Air Force, for example, PAF JF-17s were pitched against Chinese Su-27s in a number of scenarios and reportedly achieved favourable results.

With regard to flight training, Air Cdre Khalid said the JF-17 is "very easy to fly - even easier than the F-16 - so pilot training is not heavily dependent upon a two-seat version. We designed it with the concept that we will have a good simulator. The Chinese have extensive experience with simulators, so we decided to go with them. However, if some customer wants the two-seat version, plans for production are at a very advanced stage.

"For international sales we have joint sales and marketing with our Chinese friends. It doesn't necessarily mean we all have to sit together on every meeting, but the Chinese side will always know what we are negotiating and we will always know what they are negotiating," noted the air commodore, adding that he saw co-operation on the programme between the two countries as being "exemplary".

"The first thing the new customer has to do is to decide which configuration of the aircraft they want," said Air Cdre Khalid. "The JF-17 is produced in Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, so we can provide everything from manufacturing to documentation and even help with the induction of the aircraft into operational service."

Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, JF-17 Programme Deputy Chief Project Director, Pakistan Air Force (PAF)

JDW

 

[Windjammer]

Definitely the highlighted points are being made public for the first time. !!

At the moment the JF-17 is already qualified for quick-reaction alert duty. "We have IFF on board, so we can go straight up and shoot at the enemy," said Air Cdre Khalid. In standard configuration the JF-17 carries two PL-5EII missiles, two SD-10 missiles and two or three fuel tanks. "The aircraft could have the capability to carry four SD-10 missiles," he noted, "but we decided to pursue the present configuration. The digital weapon interface is on all hard points, which gives us a lot of flexibility for weapons carriage."

So far the JF-17 has not seen real combat, but the type has participated in a number of exercises. "We have very good experience in dissimilar combat against different types of aircraft in multi-bogey environments," said the air commodore.

During air combat manoeuvres with the People's Liberation Army Air Force, for example, PAF JF-17s were pitched against Chinese Su-27s in a number of scenarios and reportedly achieved favourable results.