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Huh .... Vegetarian's ignorance fart.

this is just simple trolling
nothing to do with eating preferences so please dont be mean to veggie loving people
JF-17 is aerodinamically unstable as far as I know and such plane cant fly without FBW computer


Ctrl+ C Ctrl +V? or very perfectly aligned aircrafts?
 
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Bad photoshop.

How can there be three JF-17 rudders but only two nose cones/canopies/front landing gears?

But you can see 6 fuel tank nose cones, plus you can see the 3 T-shaped antennas on the upper spine of the aircraft and also you can see the 3 T-shaped antennas under the nose.

I believe its an original pic but the angle of the pic and the not so perfectly aligned JF-17s with men sitting right near the frontal landing gear is making doubts.

Plus i don't believe this is such a big issue.

The picture is watermarked from a very reliable source of aviation pics.
 
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But you can see 6 fuel tank nose cones, plus you can see the 3 T-shaped antennas on the upper spine of the aircraft and also you can see the 3 T-shaped antennas under the nose.

I believe its an original pic but the angle of the pic and the not so perfectly aligned JF-17s with men sitting right near the frontal landing gear is making doubts.

Plus i don't believe this is such a big issue.

The picture is watermarked from a very reliable source of aviation pics.

I think you may be correct. The second aircraft is not parallel to the other two on its sides, hence its front portion could be hidden by the first plane. I am not sure, however.
 
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this is just simple trolling
nothing to do with eating preferences so please dont be mean to veggie loving people
JF-17 is aerodinamically unstable as far as I know and such plane cant fly without FBW computer

Ctrl+ C Ctrl +V? or very perfectly aligned aircrafts?

BTW i am too a vegitarian or one can say more SHAKAHARI & less MANSAHARI, i didn't mean to insult Vegi-eater but ... you know.
Well I dont think that JF-17 is an Unstable design, may be @ANTIBODY could comment. as far as i know canarad designs like Euror canard, J-10 etc are unstable designs. F-16, F-18, JF-17, F-35, F-22 are examples of stable design. Well i could be wrong though.
 
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Its quite some dense reading, at least the author tries to make some effort on it. Feng pretty much said it all, much of the stuff appears gleamed online, then given analysis and summary. IMO, the first part of the article seems a more interesting before he drifted to the range, radar, avionics and engine issues. Here is a google translation on his comments on the aerodynamics. Its a long analysis though to explain the obvious, the expanded LERX allows the plane to maneuver at higher angles of attack. Also he is correct in the observation that the LERX and the DSI adds to the negative stability of the plane (will make the plane pitch up automatically requiring an FBW needed to keep the nose down in oscillating movement). The LERX will move the center of lift forward, while the weigh reductions in the front as a result of the DSI implementation will move the center of gravity backward. Hence this also improves the plane's maneuverbility.


According to the information obtained by the author, with surfers and explore! 1. 1 configuration. side of Xiaolong 04 and 16 similar to the configuration, Medium used pneumatic normal aspect ratio wing edge of the layout, highlighted the strong performance of low-altitude and high-subsonic mobility. But in the details, the two were different, Xiaolong 04 : First, the edge of the area and more than 01 planes. also much higher than the F-16. Aircraft wings are designed to improve the edge of the lift-to-drag ratio under a certain angle of attack, improving the performance of the aircraft at high angles of attack. But using such a large edge design of the aircraft is not, it is estimated that only a F-18E/F. Trouble from the edge of the 5.2 m 2 to 7 m 2, increased by 34%. It will not only raise the maximum lift coefficient aircraft, taking off and landing capabilities. also greatly enhanced the mobility of the aircraft at high angles of attack. extremely powerful vortex edge of the wing airflow postpone the occurrence and development. F-18E/F excellent performance at high angles of attack apparently inseparable from its side of the wing design. Meanwhile, behind the Xiaolong 04 / end up greatly, bow torque at high angles of attack can provide. Xiaolong 04 while increasing the use of its high angle of attack expected to further enhance mobility! But more important role is that of Xiaolong 04 will be significantly increased while the focus of aerodynamic brought forward. We know that while the focus of the aircraft is located, Lift edge of the vortex caused by the contribution of the wing while washing aerodynamic flow will significantly toward the center. Therefore side of the aircraft configuration is usually static longitudinal instability, active control technology needed to be addressed. For example, the F-16 is a typical "relaxed static stability" with the conventional design : layout, F-16 wings moved forward by 40.6 centimeters, so aerodynamic center forward. M0.9 at its static stability in slightly negative, and 8% at M1.2. Aerodynamic focus toward growing cause of the border, Xiaolong 04 will be the focus might change (after I speculated that it might be a slight shift : DSI weight because the more obvious the former fuselage, Yields rear edge of the electronic module will be partially offset by the increased weight and nose). Aerodynamic focus light Xiaolong 04, the focus changes I guess Xiaolong 04 earlier in the static stability will be further relaxed. And the use of "the entire longitudinal flight control authority fax + 40 degrees more than two simulated redundancy backup" system will be fully satisfy the static stability After the relaxation of control! Xiaolong 04 relaxed static stability will not only further enhance their mobility, More importantly, will be greatly reduced in the span of supersonic trim resistance and help span performance of the supersonic, DSI combination of the weight and the weight of the whole growth pushed down, The greatest number may be more than 04 M M1.6 the biggest increase in the original design!

Of course, increasing the edge of the edge of the vortex induced intensity can also lead to larger aircraft pitch moment of non-linear problems, Early mechanical-hydraulic control system's apparent inability to solve, but a good example of Xiaolong 04 flight control solution! 2. Details from the wing of the main wings, Xiaolong 04 and F-16 are different, Xiaolong 04 wing leading-edge sweep angle of 42 °, composite wing bending and torsion, and the latter leading edge sweep angle of 40 °. Aspect ratio of about 3.0, both front and rear wing. F-16 wing no reverse! Contrast can see that Xiaolong 04 of the wing leading edge sweep angle greater aspect ratio smaller than the root shoot, Airfoil closer delta, in a large range of airfoil stall characteristics, and inter-and supersonic flight resistance small! Is likely to be absorbing the essence of the Russian type pneumatic three generations! Even more noteworthy is that Xiaolong 04 in a front flap with the same strain J-10 on the basis of bending and torsion using a composite wing design No composite wing bending and torsion and 16. Why? Design, I believe that this may be related to Xiaolong 04 delta is closer to the airfoil, delta is the biggest drawback of induced resistance, easy airflow vortex formation, loss of front lift. With the front flap and using composite reversed, can improve the overall speed of the largest lift-to-drag ratio. India's LCA has a similar design, I see in inspection data on the Indian side in the LCA had explained his comments : He said the purpose of this design is used to improve the characteristics of wing lift, as he thought the wing dihedral angles of attack. first stall at high angles of attack, time pressure center moves, bow torque produced, and yet Winglet stall. Therefore horizontal control. That the design can be used to enhance the lateral stability of aircraft at high angles of attack. As we all know, single Yields Yields larger aircraft to fly at high angles of attack is the reason, Yields will be shielded fuselage turbulence lose lateral stability, thereby restricting the mobility single Yields aircraft at high angles of attack. If the speculation is true, then the combined side of the design Xiaolong 04 will increase their ability to fly at high angles of attack. able to its excellent maneuverability at high angles of attack! Gen will bring slightly smaller than Winglet flutter, usually cut with a sharp or heavy objects to be resolved Xiaolong Winglet whose every missile in flight test of time with this estimate, and the increase in the electronic module Yields dropped after a sharp cut. While it can be resolved flutter, but feel a bit uncomfortable in the number of visual!
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Here is an interesting read originally from a Chinese Article published in Chinese Aviation Magazine and the Author is a Chinese Test Pilot. Its babel fish translation but still readable. Interesting that he compared thunder 04 with blk 52 ! (early ones not Advanced ones) Interestingly, he also explained 04s fly by wire functionality with details.

"04 JF-17 in the fast changing technology really been fully reflected. This also appears local farm laborers said admiringly its first 03 years. After some mediocre performance of an aircraft packed with high-tech carefully modified, we have clearly started to develop his demeanor, the eyes of the world focused Chengdu, the international community continued to speculate that the level has reached 04 in the end. It has been dealing with the F-16, such as master head in a fight on the strength of the international market? According to the information obtained by the author, with surfers and explore! 1. 1 configuration. side of the JF-17 and 04 F-16 similar to the configuration, Medium used pneumatic normal aspect ratio wing edge of the layout, highlighted the strong performance of low-altitude and high-subsonic mobility.

But in the details, the two were different, the first 04 : JF-17 edge of the area and more than 01 planes. also much higher than the F-16. Aircraft wings are designed to improve the edge of the lift-to-drag ratio under a certain angle of attack, improving the performance of the aircraft at high angles of attack. But using such a large edge design of the aircraft is not, it is estimated that only a F-18E/F. Trouble from the edge of the 5.2 m 2 to 7 m 2, increased by 34%. It will not only raise the maximum lift coefficient aircraft, taking off and landing capabilities. also greatly enhanced the mobility of the aircraft at high angles of attack. extremely powerful vortex edge of the wing airflow postpone the occurrence and development. F-18E/F excellent performance at high angles of attack apparently inseparable from its side of the wing design. Meanwhile, behind the JF-17 04 / end up greatly, bow torque at high angles of attack can provide. while 04 increased their use of the JF-17 High Angle of Attack expected to further enhance mobility! But more important role is that of the JF-17 while 04 will be significantly increased focus on aerodynamic brought forward.

We know that while the focus of the aircraft is located, Lift edge of the vortex caused by the contribution of the wing while washing aerodynamic flow will significantly toward the center. Therefore side of the aircraft configuration is usually static longitudinal instability, active control technology needed to be addressed. For example, the F-16 is a typical "relaxed static stability" with the conventional design : layout, F-16 wings moved forward by 40.6 centimeters, so aerodynamic center forward. M0.9 at its static stability in slightly negative, and 8% at M1.2. Aerodynamic focus toward growing cause of the border, 04 JF-17 center might change (after I speculated that it might be a slight shift : DSI weight because the more obvious the former fuselage, Yields rear edge of the electronic module will be partially offset by the increased weight and nose). 04 JF-17 combination of aerodynamic focus, the focus changes I guess the static stability compared to the earlier 04 JF-17 will be further relaxed. And the use of "the entire longitudinal flight control authority fax + 40 degrees more than two simulated redundancy backup" system will be fully satisfy the static stability After the relaxation of control! JF-17 04 relaxed static stability will not only further enhance their mobility, More importantly, will be greatly reduced in the span of supersonic trim resistance and help span performance of the supersonic, DSI combination of the weight and the weight of the whole growth pushed down, The greatest number may be more than 04 M M1.6 the biggest increase in the original design! Of course, increasing the edge of the edge of the vortex induced intensity can also lead to larger aircraft pitch moment of non-linear problems, Early mechanical-hydraulic control system is obviously not, but for the JF-17 flight control run well in the 04! 2. Details from the wing of the main wings, the JF-17 and 04 F-16 are different. JF-17 04 wing leading-edge sweep angle of 42 °, composite wing bending and torsion, and the latter leading edge sweep angle of 40 °. Aspect ratio of about 3.0, both front and rear wing. F-16 wing no reverse! Contrast can see that the wing leading edge sweep JF-17 04 greater aspect ratio smaller than the root shoot, Airfoil closer delta, in a large range of airfoil stall characteristics, and inter-and supersonic flight resistance small! Is likely to be absorbing the essence of the Russian type pneumatic three generations!

Even more noteworthy is that JF-17 strain J-10 and 04 in the same front wing on the basis of bending and torsion using a composite wing design No composite wing bending and torsion and 16. Why? Design, I believe that this may be related to the airfoil 04 JF-17 is more like a delta wing, delta is the biggest drawback of induced resistance, easy airflow vortex formation, loss of front lift. With the front flap and using composite reversed, can improve the overall speed of the largest lift-to-drag ratio. India's LCA has a similar design, I see in inspection data on the Indian side in the LCA had explained his comments : He said the purpose of this design is used to improve the characteristics of wing lift, as he thought the wing dihedral angles of attack. first stall at high angles of attack, time pressure center moves, bow torque produced, and yet Winglet stall. Therefore horizontal control. That the design can be used to enhance the lateral stability of aircraft at high angles of attack. As we all know, single Yields Yields larger aircraft to fly at high angles of attack is the reason, Yields will be shielded fuselage turbulence lose lateral stability, thereby restricting the mobility single Yields aircraft at high angles of attack. If the speculation is true, then in connection with the design of the JF-17 while 04 will increase their ability to fly at high angles of attack. able to its excellent maneuverability at high angles of attack! Gen will bring slightly smaller than Winglet flutter, usually cut with a sharp or heavy objects to be resolved JF-17 in each Winglet whose missile flight test of time with this estimate, Yields in Canada and the electronic module removed after a sharp cut, although flutter can be resolved, but feel a bit uncomfortable in the number of visual! 3. 04 JF-17 inlet using the DSI Inlet (internally called "shell" inlet ), this inlet many online discussion, the author is no longer in detail, in general terms, are : Compared with the F-16 fixed inlet and improve the gas efficiency reduce the total pressure loss (equivalent to a certain extent, increase engine thrust-weight ratio) and also to simplify the structure, lowering the weight. Performance benefits of stealth aircraft! Second, the engine / thrust-weight ratio in addition to the performance fighter configuration with a great relationship, Engine performance had a great relationship with, for example, the fighter is close to the level of performance and acceleration, not much difference between drag coefficient in the circumstances, greater engine thrust, higher thrust-weight ratio, the greater the aircraft SEP. reach their natural / acceleration more! JF-17 currently used by 04 turbofan engine is Russia's RD-93/RD-33K Engine thrust RD-33 increase of 5% over the entire thrust of 8,300 kilograms of thread, 5,040 kilograms of thrust operations. Pushing for more than 6.62-6.7. CAC learned from the website of the JF-17 01 6,411 kg body weight of the air. normal takeoff thrust-weight ratio of 0.915, more than 200 kg in weight after 04, hold in esteem than the estimated increase (approximately 0.94%), but still did not reach 100. Of course, in the future, promote the use of domestic over 8 WS-13A (Mountains), will enhance the performance of aircraft.

F-16 Block 50/52 and is the latest equipment to enhance thrust Fll0-GE- 129 and Fl00-pW-229 to Fl00-pW-229 example, maximum thrust to 12,890 (daN), in the middle Thrust 7918 (daN) Fl00-pW-220 hold in esteem than the 7.2 to 7.9, good performance. Of course, there has been an increase in the weight of the F-16 Block 50/52 fuselage, the F-7 air-emphasis, 8 to 386 kg, 472 kg (Fl00-pW-229) increased by about 1 ton of weight Although the thrust increased, but rather a piece of hold in esteem the F-115 decline According to information available to 1.05%. Climbing / sexual circled by contrast, we can see that the engine restrictions JF-17-16 04 hold in esteem relatively lower, the situation is not much difference in configuration, air gap between the drag coefficient is the case, according to the formula, we can see SEP. F-16 Block 50/52 and cross-close. M supersonic velocity and maximum performance may be slightly ahead. Circled with the engine thrust-weight ratio and stable performance to a certain extent, Transient stability circled and circled and circled generally consists of the two aircraft have different requirements for stability circled, reduce the height and velocity in the circumstances, in order to pursue the smallest radius circled, Aircraft must satisfy two important conditions that the maximum lift coefficient wing aircraft. relatively high engine thrust-weight. The reason is that the plane circled stability, Thrust = aircraft must meet resistance (gravity combined with lifting the level of solidarity Y), if the aircraft circled the small radius. must be able to weed out the lift, thrust, if not at this time, unable to overcome the large lift-off, the aircraft will not be able to maintain stability will swap high. Similarly, even thrust a great aircraft, but small lift coefficient, can provide a stronger level of cohesion, The plane circled a small radius would not, because the F-16 is a higher thrust-weight ratio and greater lift coefficient. it is very stable circled outstanding, JF-17 04-16 more than the maximum lift coefficient with even a slight advantage, However, the gap may still lead to hold in esteem than their less stable circled on the F-16. And the plane then circled the instantaneous hold in esteem than modest. instantaneous decision circled the main wing aircraft and load the maximum lift coefficient, While hold in esteem than JF-17 and 04 F-16 Block 50/52 of a difference, but in the wing set. 04 JF-17 is obvious advantages, the JF-17 wing area of 24.2 m2. only less than 16 m2 3 Series 27.87 13.53 However, the F-16 Block 50 empty than 2 tons of light, the author projections for a moment. JF-17 air wings which contained about 04 of 380 0.9kg/m 13.53 Early in the F-394 m2 0.9kg/m than lower and the F-16 Block 50 combat wings are projected to be 430 0.9kg/m 13.53 04 JF-17 more than their low! And the instantaneous load-wing aircraft circled closely related to performance, wing lift coefficient in similar circumstances (JF-17-16 should be slightly higher than 04). lower wing loading units under the weight of the wing and circled greater solidarity, the more rapidly changing perspective. Mirage-2000 can achieve the instant spiral angle of 30 degrees with 264 0.9kg/m m2 3/s wing set are inseparable. Although the F-16 also adopted the edge of the wing combination blended wing body design to reduce the wing load, circling high performance. However, it may be inferred that the JF-17 contains 04 low-wing blink disk performance should be even better!

Comprehensive configuration and engine performance, the F-16 configuration is extremely successful, even later become fighters reference design targets, coupled with the strong support of the engine. F-16 air combat performance is extremely fine ;JF-17 configuration and the F-16 is closer to 04. But JF-17 in 04 hours later introduced to absorb the East and West, the three-generation planes aerodynamic design lessons DSI and the combination of new technology, the pneumatic, JF-17 04 16 aerodynamic should be further optimized design based on the results But the F-16 engine with a slight lag, Overall performance of JF-17 flying 04 F-16 should be very close to win! 3. range / JF-17 combat radius CAC website of the biggest turn 01 only 2,037 km range. The 3,000 km with promotional data are not unified, very differently. The former estimate is likely to be a cause of this difference in the situation in which oil was contained inside the range under which data is calculated to bring in three The case reached the drop tank, but the flight of JF-17 with a radius of 04 changes The fuel capacity of more than 200 kg in weight and increase, estimated coefficient of 0.284 containing oil. The increasing number of 0.25 compared with 01 planes, carrying three drop tank has a range of over 3,000 km will be, its combat radius of 1200 km in accordance with its mandate should be between different profiles. Although the flight and combat radius with the F-16 is still lagging behind, it can meet the needs of various operational tasks! Fourth, radar / navigation radar aircraft nose properties of space is very important. MiG-21 nose inlet large size makes it difficult to install the radar antenna, severely limits the ability of the order on the beyond-visual! After the adoption of DSI, 04 fuselage in front of a marked change from 01. pictures can be seen on the 3rd JF-17 airframe parts is the apparent dip, similar V-shaped cross-section. allegedly to pre-compressed air entering the inlet. However, the adoption of DSI, the abolition of this design, from the photos, 04 planes closer to a round cross-section of the fuselage, There are rumors nose radar diameter from 04 to 03 increased the 600MM 660MM. Analysis from the photos seem to be very credible. If the JF-17 04 660MM if the diameter of the nose radar, French Mirage 2000 will be extremely close, French Mirage 2000-5 2000C and the diameter of 674MM/670 RDI/RDY radar MM! JF-17 with a difference of over 10 MM 04, there is no guarantee of space in the nose, What we have to do is to raise the level of production in the design of the radar! F-16Block40/42 groups from the United States began to 50/52 lots APG-68 to improve the equipment of its F-16 (V) 5 radar. The main emphasis of the improvements to enhance the radar-time-between-failures (to 100 hours). while retaining the right to a strong resolution against moving targets on the ground and, Doppler Beam Sharpening ratio of 64:1. According to verify : APG-68 (V) 5 for RCS=3 target detection range as 75 kilometers can be achieved on the level Tracking distance of 45 km. Good performance, but acknowledged radar device to a level slightly lower than the Mirage 2000-5! In 2000 and after, The new edition has started to change F-16Block50/52 APG-68 (V) 9 radar. APG-68 further improve its performance compared to the earlier, a 30% increase from the space probe. RCS=3 target detection range estimate of more than 100 kilometers, and the integration of SAR, Airborne Early 10 times faster than the computer! This is not equipped with radar but F-16Block50/52, mainly for export to Turkey. Greek Air Force F-16 and the Israeli escalation plan "thunderstorms"!

In the 1980s, China began to make contact with the West advanced radar and fire control systems "model for peace" project, Americans got a taste of China's strength in multifunction radar system. APG-66 understanding of the radar systems, which were reflected in the integrated thinking and then contact the radar for the European and Israeli-made advanced radar developed later, we have laid a solid foundation. 04 JF-17 radar program to be elected, Early concerns over the Italian FIAR Grifo sp radar. Pakistan is a series of radar Grifo traditional users, the introduction of the production line and is widely used in the F--7P. F -7PG other aircraft. Grifo-7 radar performance Yes, maximum detection distance conjecture before inferred (RCS=5) 38-40km distance tracking, which can simultaneously track 10 targets (TWS. Tracking side scan format) and the two hit the target! Meanwhile, Locally Israel Herta and French Thomson company (the validity) provided adapted from a Mirage 2000-5 R DY radar from the RC-400 and EL/M-2032, the same outstanding performance. But with the PD-made multi-purpose radar to participate in competition and the unexpected situation, Domestic PD radar because of the advantages of performance and compatibility, Pakistan finally accepted our radar system plan. We recommend what radar can defeat many of the foreign experts in radar? Data show that domestic flight 607 was developed PD radar, which is launched from the air intercept. close combat fighting, and sea attacks, aided navigation and other functions. Clutter can be a serious under the circumstances, as provided under the effective launch capability. This radar is high, a variety of low-frequency waveforms and waveform adaptive pulse compression and adaptive management. Tracking the edge scanning function tracking 10 targets from 40. OTH also can be controlled missile attack in which two of the two, The radar target of a typical fighter (radar reflectivity cross-sectional area of 3 square meters) found that a distance of more than 75 km. Under distance of more than 45 kilometers, a distance of more than 135 km off target discovery. IFF devices and radar cross-linking and modular design, and have a good electronic countermeasure capability. Although the information given is not very detailed, and also confirmed that it can be seen that JF-17 in this radar equipment, Early F-16Block50/52 achieve its overall performance level! In addition to the radar, I was most interested in the use of highly integrated 04 JF-17 "centralized distributed" navigation framework We know that the structural development of avionic system has gone through a separation ceremony, the joint ceremony and the highly integrated four stages : the first generation of integrated avionics system for discrete structures, radar, communications, mutually exclusive navigation equipment have their own independent antennas, RF front-end processors and monitors. using point-to-point links. Second-generation avionics system for joint architecture use several low-bandwidth data processor to complete the exchange of data transmission functions, such as navigation and weapon delivery, store management, control, the number of bus diplomacy between the modules together through sharing resources and the control of the backend only show in the information chain link.

The link between the equipment simplified to reduce the volume and weight of the system. Comprehensive processing and display control of the mission to resolve the problem of integrated avionics system has played a significant role in promoting the function and performance of aircraft a step forward, and F-15, F-16, F /A-18 universal application. Integrated Avionics took third structure, based on the "treasure pillar" of the F-22 program for 1974. Further improve the overall level of this structure. Its main technical characteristics are shared with the integrated core processor system (ICP) to complete almost all of the signal and data Department Jimmy, ranging from display and control system integrated onto data processing. The structure features is the integrated core processor integrated fire control, navigation and computing and management, cockpit display graphics, Store management, system management tasks, such as monitoring the system intact, scheduling and task management. Call integrated core processor modules different functions at different stages of implementation. Fourth, took the highly integrated avionics structure, based on "platform gemstones," Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) as its representative, To meet future war fighter was developed by the high-tech indicators Integrated Avionics Architecture. In the field of RF and optoelectronic two widely used modular, and can change the design outfield, a comprehensive aircraft skin sensors. RF integrated functions, and put into practice. Many of radar, communications, electronic warfare functions from hardware configuration gone, the acquisition of these functions entirely through software. According to the "International Air" on the 2004-11 period, we know that, "JF-17" aircraft in the air -- subsystem in the current third-generation avionics system on the basis of joint steps to achieve a higher level of aggregation. Avionics System mainly through its two mutually redundant MIL-STD-1553B of the various subsystems and equipment Bank link Two interchangeable parts which weapons task management computer (WMMC) as "JF-17" aircraft control and management system -- Jimmy the core, using the PPC processor, running the system operational flight software (OFP) procedures. complete the task management and navigation systems manipulation and Fire Control Solution, store management, comprehensive information, display control, Alarm voice, data transmission and other tasks. We know that through understanding, "JF-17" is still based on MIL-STD-1553B data bus network. In data processing and transmission speed, data fusion with a large gap between the F-22, The overall design of the second generation have been far greater than in the structure of the joint concept. Integrated Avionics structure and third-generation concept very similar. So that the design meets the standard in Europe, "the two wind" standard is no exaggeration! And the task of modular processing system (MMC), it was not until August 01, began to experiment. Most F-16Block50/52 before the show or HUD computer control / fire control handle dollars Computer / center for the three sets of computer interface modules independent storage management system for a typical two-generation framework "JF-17" (WMMC) are very different. Even the latest installment of F-16Block60. its mandate with significant control computer or separate from the computer, information integration remains limited. The use of advanced integrated avionics system, which will greatly reduce the burden on the pilot in a future war. raise its key issues of judgment and the judgment of speed and enhance the combat effectiveness of fighter!

With Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air missile missiles and infrared imaging fighting growing popularity it is necessary to stress that under the JF-17 "04's electronic warfare system, according to information. its radar warning receiver (RWR) and missile approach warning (MAW), with Chaff injected with infrared devices (CFD), and electronic warfare device components. specific properties are advanced. But T that is the most salable, "JF-17" Yields on the 04-built response initiative jamming aircraft Directional interfere with the sophisticated technology used to detect the exact position of power will be concentrated at the threat of interference radiation source This system may disrupt a class of advanced AIM-120 air-to-air missile radar seeker, while also confront the fighters and targeting radar locked onto. Reportedly, Chengdu Aircraft Design of the electronic warfare system designed mainly focused on the future combat environment, Pakistan in particular targets users of the Indian Air Force are equipped to face the large number of R-77 missiles. and the ability of the aircraft in India is not available in the basic, Pakistan does not have access to the F-16. I believe this system could directly from J11. 5. , the stealth / low detectability is no doubt that JF-17 04 this point certainly prevail, In addition to DSI is important to help improve the performance of the Stealth, the F-16 is more than a piece of the compact is one of the reasons for their appearance. Although the JF-17 04 F-35 did not achieve all like stealth, but with the help of RAM coating, With its appearance advantage of JF-17 04 can greatly reduce the adversary's radar detection range. offset opponent on the radar performance advantages. In circumstances similar to radar performance. JF-17 04 enemy can be done entirely found that enemy positions. with low detectability of the JF-17 in the order on the beyond-visual (BVRAC) is a huge advantage! 6. 04 JF-17 is used as the weapon system MIL-STD-1760 bus, it PL-9C SD-10 and domestic use in the circumstances, can also use a variety of other weapons, Interestingly, South Africa, Pakistan, which is based on research R-Darter H-4 in the range of 120 kilometers. active radar homing also reported good performance, taking into account the relationship between Pakistan and South Africa. Daniel and South African companies in the development of various precision strike weapons on the strength and the JF-17 configuration can be made with the forward-looking infrared and infrared search and track (IRST) system and, therefore, The JF-17 should not be exported only after there is a lack of precision weapons to attack the problem! As for flight control. Cabin - level, there are many pictures online information, I will not repeat in! In a very short time, CAC To meet the changing market environment. come up with the rapid-Block50 significance lies in the level reached F-16 Block50 less than half the price, which is the domestic market or the international market. will have a major impact! "

confusing article :-
The 13-tonne JF-17 is not a true unstable design, just relaxed stability, which simply means an aircraft that was designed without consideration for positive stability.
:: TEMPUR OFFICIAL WEBSITE - English Section - JF-17 Thunder Rolls Out From PAC Kamra

Relaxed stability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Flight Control System

Composite Flight Control System comprising conventional controls with stability augmentation in roll and yaw axis and fly by wire in pitch axis
Quad-redundancy in Fly By Wire System
Autopilot with Altitude hold and Attitude hold modes
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex

Its flight control includes a Type 634 quadruplex digital FBW in pitch axis and a duplex analog FBW in roll axis.

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YF-16 was the world’s first aircraft intentionally designed to be slightly aerodynamically unstable. This technique, called "relaxed static stability" (RSS),
was incorporated to further enhance the aircraft’s performance. Most aircraft are designed with positive static stability, which induces an aircraft to return to its original attitude following a disturbance. However, positive static stability; the tendency to remain in its current attitude; opposes the pilot’s efforts to maneuver. On the other hand, an aircraft with negative static stability will, in the absence of control input, readily deviate from level and controlled flight.
An aircraft with negative static stability can therefore be made more maneuverable. At supersonic airspeed, a negatively stable aircraft can exhibit positive static stability due to aerodynamic center migration. To counter this tendency to depart from controlled flight—and avoid the need for constant minute trimming inputs by the pilot—the 4th gen aircraft has a quadruplex (four-channel) fly-by-wire (FBW) flight control system (FLCS). The flight control computer (FLCC), which is the key component of the FLCS, accepts the pilot’s input from the stick and rudder controls, and manipulates the control surfaces in such a way as to produce the desired result without inducing a loss of control. The FLCC also takes thousands of measurements per second of the aircraft’s attitude, and automatically makes corrections to counter deviations from the flight path that were not input by the pilot. Coordinated turn is also achieved in the same way, processing thousands of instructions per second to synchronize yawing and rolling to minimize sideslip drag in turns

fc1 was planned to be fully fly by wire in 2005 article
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F-16 and JFT both are unstable designs thats why they have fBW to stabilize them in flight. You cannot have a fbw in an already stable design because it will become useless since the role of fbw is to convert the negative stability into positive. Without a fbw, both F-16 and JFT have a nose down tendency and will eventually crash.

Its flight control includes a Type 634 quadruplex digital FBW in pitch axis and a duplex analog FBW in roll axis.

Chinese Military Aviation: Fighters II
 
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I reckon, Relaxed stability (lack of equilibrium) can be added into an aircraft by removing its stabilizing elements.You can take a design that was stable and turn it unstable.

Words from an F-18 pilot.

http://www.seqair.com/FlightTest/Sta...Stability.html

"First, a very brief review of stability and control: The stability of any airplane is its tendency to return to equilibrium when displaced. Controllability is a measure of the ease with which the pilot can displace it from equilibrium. An extremely stable airplane might be very hard to control depending on the level of controllability. An unstable airplane may be impossible to control regardless of controllability. The F/A-18 I used to fly was designed with very relaxed static longitudinal stability-almost neutral. The relaxed stability and very strong controllability make it a highly maneuverable fighter-the airplane would be extremely difficult to control without the digital flight control computers. Static longitudinal stability is normally indicated in terms of stick force versus airspeed measured about a trimmed point of equilibrium. A simple graph explains:"

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WARPLANE | Thirteen/WNET

"When the F-15 RFP [Request for Proposal] came out, General Dynamics proposed a high technology version of the F-15. This version included a fly-by-wire flight control system, relaxed static stability, side stick, slope back seat and a single piece windshield/canopy."



Analog systems
Analog computers also allowed some customization of flight control characteristics, including relaxed stability. This was exploited by the early versions of F-16, giving it impressive maneuverability
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-by-wire

The F-16 began with an analog fly-by-wire system—the first production aircraft with fly-by-wire—and later switched to DFBW controls.
http://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2011/t_5.html
http://www.ausairpower.net/AADR-FBW-CCV.html
 
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Well I dont think that JF-17 is an Unstable design, may be @ANTIBODY could comment. as far as i know canarad designs like Euror canard, J-10 etc are unstable designs. F-16, F-18, JF-17, F-35, F-22 are examples of stable design. Well i could be wrong though.

you must be made to stand in the corner and repent
you have committed blasphemy in aeronautical sense

canards are not installed with stability in mind but give extra maneuverability.
 
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I was thinking a while, When two Ra'ad ALCM attached with JF-17 and after one is launched, wont' the other Ra'ad missile would create instability due to uneven load, 1 ton missile hanging on one wing and other wing is totally empty? I guess an American aircraft went down in Libya conflict due to this very reason, Uneven load out?


Investigation: Weight imbalance a factor in Libya F-15 crash

http://www.stripes.com/news/investigation-weight-imbalance-a-factor-in-libya-f-15-crash-1.163490
 
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