JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[Windjammer]

Fox News was sounding alarm bells as long as two years earlier.

 

[Safriz]

jr.think tank couldn't resist trolling.

No,i couldnt
You guys tormented us on Brahmos for too long...
ok ok, i had my fun..
so what are we discussing here?
is it a missile twice the speed of Brahmos?

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

No,i couldnt
You guys tormented us on Brahmos for too long...
ok ok, i had my fun..
so what are we discussing here?
is it a missile twice the speed of Brahmos?

No! is it a missile capable of half the speed of brahmos ?

 

[Windjammer]

The JF-17 is certainly drawing a lot of attention, and the new aircraft carrier killer missile has been exclusively displayed alongside the Thunder leaves little to the imagination.

 

[Rocky rock]

i think thunder should have Canards like the gripen's have!

it'll make it more maneuverable!

this thing shuld be add into 2nd blk..

 

[Windjammer]

lol best part is their nowhere written and no where said it is mach 5.5 , and all our PAK fans started saying 5.5, but it can get worse if someone have said that it has goto mars and return .......

Well India guys now should start claiming Barhmos with 200 Mach speed , but it is not where written. it caw shoot the target in 1 sec from 300 km..... lol , it is but india didn't written anywhere .

height of imagination works very well in PDF

Before spilling your brains, read Sir Fatman's post # 8360, an article which appeared in Jane's Defence Weekly.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Before spilling your brains, read Sir Fatman's post # 8360, an article which appeared in Jane's Defence Weekly.

Pakistan Air Force (PAF) officials have disclosed the existence of a new Chinese-developed air-to-surface Stand-Off Missile (SOM) that will equip the PAF's JF-17 Thunder multirole combat aircraft.


The weapon, designated CM-400AKG, is said to be a land-attack variant of the CASIC C-802 (YJ-82) anti-ship missile which has already been integrated on the JF-17. Jane's assesses that 'CM-400AKG' is, therefore, an export label for the CM-802AKG land-attack weapon that was first seen at the November 2010 Air Show China event.

Pakistan acquires air-launched SOM capability - Jane's Missiles and Rockets


Well C-802 speed is 0.9 Match ..... now one wonders which is correct , Jane's article?????


please check the article again

 

[abdulbarijan]

Airshow China 2012: CM-400AKG becomes Pakistan's 'carrier killer'

Airshow China 2012:

CM-400AKG becomes Pakistan's 'carrier killer'.

Robert Hewson, Zhuhai Section:

2012-Nov-16


Key Points; A new Chinese-developed very-high-speed missile has been fielded by the PAF.

The weapon has been described as the PAF's 'carrier killer'

Pakistan has fielded a new very-high-speed long-range air-launched missile that senior officers in the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) have described as "an aircraft carrier killer".

The CM-400AKG is a Mach 4 plus-capable air-to-surface weapon developed in China and now in service with JF-17 aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force. (Robert Hewson) The weapon, designated CM-400AKG, was designed and developed in China by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) and was revealed at Airshow China 2012, held in Zhuhai from 13-19 November.

The CM-400AKG is now part of the operational weapon set of the PAF's JF-17 Thunder multirole fighter. "This is a mature weapon that has been fully tested. It is not conceptual. It is in service," Air Commodore Mahmood Khalid, PAF JF-17 Deputy Project Director stated. "The CM-400AKG is a very high-speed missile that is very difficult to intercept. It hits the target at Mach 4 or above and its kinetic impact alone is enough to destroy any high-value target, like an aircraft carrier."

The CM-400AKG first appeared, briefly, in public at last year's Dubai Airshow, when a placard for the weapon was placed alongside a PAF JF-17 - and then removed. The weapon itself was not shown. At the time PAF personnel acknowledged it was a new Chinese-built air-to-surface stand-off missile. However, the initial assumption that it was a derivative of the C-802 anti-ship missile has proved to be very wide of the mark.

The CM-400AKG is a 400 kg solid-rocket-powered weapon that can be fitted with either a penetrator or blast/fragmentation warhead. It is a fire-and-forget precision-guided weapon that can be fitted with several seeker options, which are understood to include an active radar seeker and an imaging infrared seeker with target-recognition (TR) capabilities. PAF sources say the missile can be pre-programmed with digital imagery for highly precise attacks against fixed sites in TR mode, but it can also be retargeted in flight by using the radar seeker option.

The range of the CM-400AKG is understood to be in the 180-250 km class. It is designed for use against fixed or what were described as "slow moving" targets. CASIC data indicates that after launch the CM-400AKG climbs to high altitude and terminates with a high-speed dive on the target. The PAF describes the missile's impact velocity as "hypersonic".

Both CASIC and the PAF note that the CM-400AKG has been developed as a JF-17 weapon. The PAF currently has two squadrons of approximately 36 JF-17s operational. A further ten or eleven aircraft have been delivered and a third squadron will be established early next year.

JDW

According to our chinese friend who quotes a video from zhuhai...

CM400akg

it is the offical interwiew of the specification of cm 400 akg.
dont know how to put youtube video.
and the interview is in chinese. almost every interview in zhuhai airshow are in chinese.

the export vision of Cm400 AKG
range 100- 240 kilometer.
5.2 meter lang.
speed 5.5mach max.
has three different guiding system.
can also be used to anti ship mission

Even the janes article mentions mach 4 or "ABOVE", however I dont know what it has got to do with brahmos I mean, Is it even integrated on SU-30 MKI's .....

The first test launch of the air version of the BrahMos is expected to be conducted in December 2012.

Rs 8,000 crore cleared for BrahMos, Invar missiles | NDTV.com

 

[Safriz]

^^ The article was referred to for confirmation of the missile's integration into PAF.
For exact specifications,you will have to read manufacturerls Brichore from Zhuhai,which is posted already.

Now which part is so difficult to undestand?
But sure us difficult to digest fir our indian friends as Brahmos now sounds like a Mahrooti 800.

^^ The article was referred to for confirmation of the missile's integration into PAF.
For exact specifications,you will have to read manufacturerls Brichore from Zhuhai,which is posted already.

Now which part is so difficult to undestand?
But sure us difficult to digest fir our indian friends as Brahmos now sounds like a Maruti 800.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

According to our chinese friend who quotes a video from zhuhai...



Even the janes article mentions mach 4 or "ABOVE", however I dont know what it has got to do with brahmos I mean, Is it even integrated on SU-30 MKI's .....


Rs 8,000 crore cleared for BrahMos, Invar missiles | NDTV.com

Look at the difference , Can you post the link where it is written in JDW's that it has 5+ Match speed? the link i provided you, JDW's clearly state that it is Air version of C-802 which has itself a speed of 0.9 match , now in the above artical nowhere it is written it is Air launched version of 802C?

Can you please provide the link of JDW's?

^^ The article was referred to for confirmation of the missile's integration into PAF.
For exact specifications,you will have to read manufacturerls Brichore from Zhuhai,which is posted already.

Now which part is so difficult to undestand?
But sure us difficult to digest fir our indian friends as Brahmos now sounds like a Mahrooti 800.

^^ The article was referred to for confirmation of the missile's integration into PAF.
For exact specifications,you will have to read manufacturerls Brichore from Zhuhai,which is posted already.

Now which part is so difficult to undestand?
But sure us difficult to digest fir our indian friends as Brahmos now sounds like a Maruti 800.

Link of the Article in JDW where it says it is 5+ match speed, i have the link from JDW's site which clearly state that it is Air version of C-802 and every one knows the speed and type of C802 is....Moreover the Article mentioned only the statement said by the PAK Officer and it didn't confirmed wether the specifications as it is. and it not authenticate the statement. moreover the Officer said hitting speed is around Mach 4 and not the overall speed of the missile.

Nowhere is specifications page it is written 5 Mach , if it was really M5 then it should be wonder point of missile and no one want to miss the main feature of missile?

 

[Jango]

this thing shuld be add into 2nd blk..

You cannot just adjust canards to a aircraft like that. It needs alot of time for wind tunnels and scale model testing, and to study the aerodynamic changes a canard would make. The wing design might need to be altered, the tailplane removed altogether, space made inside the fuselage for the associated systems with the canards etc.

So, this isn't something you can do after making 50 examples! That is a no go.

 

[VCheng]

You cannot just adjust canards to a aircraft like that. It needs alot of time for wind tunnels and scale model testing, and to study the aerodynamic changes a canard would make. The wing design might need to be altered, the tailplane removed altogether, space made inside the fuselage for the associated systems with the canards etc.

So, this isn't something you can do after making 50 examples! That is a no go.

You are thinking too much. Photoshop is so much easier.

 

[Armstrong]

You cannot just adjust canards to a aircraft like that. It needs alot of time for wind tunnels and scale model testing, and to study the aerodynamic changes a canard would make. The wing design might need to be altered, the tailplane removed altogether, space made inside the fuselage for the associated systems with the canards etc.

So, this isn't something you can do after making 50 examples! That is a no go.

Why would canards be needed for the JF-17 ? Isn't it a dogfighter comparable to earlier block F-16s which in turn were better dogfighter than the latter models of the same ? If that is true...then its already one hell of a dogfighter with enough maneuverability to be more than sufficient.

 

[fatman17]

Look at the difference , Can you post the link where it is written in JDW's that it has 5+ Match speed? the link i provided you, JDW's clearly state that it is Air version of C-802 which has itself a speed of 0.9 match , now in the above artical nowhere it is written it is Air launched version of 802C?

Can you please provide the link of JDW's?




Link of the Article in JDW where it says it is 5+ match speed, i have the link from JDW's site which clearly state that it is Air version of C-802 and every one knows the speed and type of C802 is....Moreover the Article mentioned only the statement said by the PAK Officer and it didn't confirmed wether the specifications as it is. and it not authenticate the statement. moreover the Officer said hitting speed is around Mach 4 and not the overall speed of the missile.

Nowhere is specifications page it is written 5 Mach , if it was really M5 then it should be wonder point of missile and no one want to miss the main feature of missile?

blah! blah! blah! - pl try to make some sense.

 

[karan.1970]

Now Brahmos sounds like a cycle Rickshaw

Has Pakistan been able to develop even a cycle rikshaw ?? (on the same analogy)