JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[epinephrine]

F-16 XL was created basically for a strike air craft.it was not a multirole air craft.USAF went for F-15 E strike eagle.being twin engined F-15 e is more powerful then F-16XL and can carry more loads.jf-17 engine is not as powerful as that of F-16 so for converting JF-17 into a potent strike fighter with a secondary air to air role the first thing we need is a very powerful engine.

 

[Pak47]

new image of Prototype 1

 

[razgriz19]

Sorry if this was posted before. I want you all to see the air intake closely from 1:35- 1:41

also look at horizontal stabilizers at 2:08.
they are differential like f-16

 

[Thorough Pro]

Photoshop. 2016 is some time awy, there will be alot of new research on new concpts during this time. the final design will probably be finalized by end 2014.

 

[sancho]

They can fairly compensate this by using multiple drop racks. Structural modification would be a fairly long and more costly solution than this.

Only with smaller bombs, because the weight limit of the hardpoint and the size of the whole package will be issues. Not to forget that the LDP still occupies a weaponstation, wonder if it's possible to integrate it under one of the air intakes, similar to the Gripen.

P.S. Another solution would be increased internal fuel, to reduce the numbers of external fuel tanks, which then frees hardpoints again.

 

[SQ8]

Only with smaller bombs, because the weight limit of the hardpoint and the size of the whole package will be issues. Not to forget that the LDP still occupies a weaponstation, wonder if it's possible to integrate it under one of the air intakes, similar to the Gripen.

P.S. Another solution would be increased internal fuel, to reduce the numbers of external fuel tanks, which then frees hardpoints again.

Requires structural modifications which means more expense which means increase in unit cost.. which means the whole idea of the JF-17 which is low cost advanced capability goes down the drain.

 

[nomi007]

Jf-17XL..

Military Photos and Photoshops: Jf-17E Block 3 : Thunder XL

nice picture

 

[nomi007]

jf-17 block2 will be the Gripen of the East
is Pakistan is really interested in Ivchenko Progress AI-222K-25F engine of Ukraine

Ukrainian AI-222-25F Turbofan Engine Can Replace Russian RD-93 in JF-17 Fighter Jets ~ INDIAN DEFENSE NEWS BLOG

 

[Sapper]

jf-17 block2 will be the Gripen of the East
is Pakistan is really interested in Ivchenko Progress AI-222K-25F engine of Ukraine

Ukrainian AI-222-25F Turbofan Engine Can Replace Russian RD-93 in JF-17 Fighter Jets ~ INDIAN DEFENSE NEWS BLOG

Dear,

The information is incorrect. The 20,000lb+ thrust version of this engine is still only on drawing boards, and doesnot have a prototype as yet. It will take atleast 3~5 years to develop and test, assuming Ukrainians are very quick, and more than 2~3 years for serial production to start, meaning 5~8 years from now i.e. around year 2019. Pakistan hopes to manufacture/co-manufacture around 250 Thunders to replace its F7s and Mirages by 2019 as per current plan.

It is highly likely (more than 95% probablity) that Engine-Version in question will not be available for export before the entire basic production of JF-17 is already complete.

Regards,
Sapper

 

[SQ8]

jf-17 block2 will be the Gripen of the East
is Pakistan is really interested in Ivchenko Progress AI-222K-25F engine of Ukraine

Ukrainian AI-222-25F Turbofan Engine Can Replace Russian RD-93 in JF-17 Fighter Jets ~ INDIAN DEFENSE NEWS BLOG

Pakistan is NOT interested in any other engine at this point.
All 150 JF-17's ordered will use the RD-93.
The PAF likes the RD-93, there is NO problem getting it.
There will be NO WS-13, No AI-222K.

 

[Dazzler]

Agreed with Santro. PAF is very much satisfied with RD-93 due to its high performance and an amazing response time that comes very handy in close encounters. The only option when available is WS-13 but it will remain an "option" for those who want it in their toys and this applies to PAF too.

 

[jamal18]

All this talk of a new engine, but is any available?

It cannot be a western engine, so what does that leave?

This is a good time for GOP to start an engine development programme with another country, say Ukraine or china. Perhaps buying half share in the Ukrainian engine. A 10 yr programme.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Could JF17 replace the role for air superiority??
JF17 in included in air superiority fighters

Air superiority fighter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Could FC-20(J10b) be our front line air superiority fighter??
J10 at altitude Maximum speed: Fu*king (2716.56 kilometers per hour (km/h) (Mach2.2)
F16:at altitude Maximum speed: (2,410 km/h (Mach 2)

While At sea level both have same speed. Mach 1.2 (915 mph, 1,470 km/h)

I can understand that when j10 can fu*k the speed of 2716.56 kilometers per hour, there is no need for dual engine fighter.

Means, All 3 fighter can place the role for air superiority...

 

[Edevelop]

But what about tvc?? RD-93 cannot be used for that purpose

 

[sancho]

Requires structural modifications which means more expense which means increase in unit cost.. which means the whole idea of the JF-17 which is low cost advanced capability goes down the drain.

Not necessarily, CFTs gives the same advantage for lower costs, the only downside is the increased weight. Also JFT won't remain the same forever right? Don't you think the Block 3 will have several changes that makes it more expensive and might require structural changes anyway? AESA radar and a new engine will be on the card by then, which makes it heavier unless you counter it by replacing certain structural parts with new materials, just like the air intakes or fuselage might require changes because of the new engine, see F18H => F18SH or Gripen C/D => Gripen E/F and in both examples the internal fuel capacity was increased as well.

But what about tvc?? RD-93 cannot be used for that purpose

Not currently, the next upgrade might bring it to RD 33 MK level, the same engine the Mi 29K and offered Mig 35 uses. That one is able to use TVC, the question is will Russia offer it? They didn't offered TVC so far for Chinese Flankers and J10s, so might hesitate to offer it for JFT as well.